A Christian Can Be a Christian or a Liberal, But He Can’t Be Both

[Snow Ho]

Re: I hear ya, Cat, Hellvis, Elvis, and Jesus!

Originally posted by Switch84

And what of simple science and biology, which bible haters tend to rely heavily on? Are you aware that it is biologically impossible for a man to impregnate another man? It's the same with two women. Life cannot spring from which isn't natural. .

not in mice, though

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=0004119C-D4C6-1086-94C683414B7F0000

[knuckleboner]

Re: I hear ya, Cat, Hellvis, Elvis, and Jesus!

Originally posted by Switch84
Are you aware that it is biologically impossible for a man to impregnate another man? It's the same with two women. Life cannot spring from which isn't natural. That's a fact.

the church condones 2 elderly people marrying. they can't create life. nor can an infertile couple. yet the church doesn't seem to have a problem with that, either.

the church, itself, implicitly recognizes that the purpose of the sacrament of marriage is not solely to have children. so why should the ability to create life be the determining factor in whether or not a union is moral?





and cat, i tend to agree with you. i've always thought it was more impressive to think of a Jesus who had doubts, fears, temptations, etc., yet STILL ultimately did his work (and sacrifice) for others. it's much harder to emmulate a "perfect" man who never had any problems...

[FORD]

Re: I hear ya, Cat, Hellvis, Elvis, and Jesus!

Originally posted by Switch84


Faith without works ain't SHIT, y'all!

I think that was James 2:17, but I'm not familiar with the translation

[Switch84]

LMAO!

:p Mice, the elderly, the infertile, etc! What else are you going to pull out of your hat to dispute and mock what is holy and sacred for millions (shit, BILLIONS) of people across the globe, not just the United States? And it's not just reserved for Christianity, either. I have Muslim and Jewish relatives and it's pretty much the same in their faiths also. Why do you think some folks view the U.S as the modern day 'Babylon' (A debauchery-infested and Godless nation in need of being cleansed by whatever means necessary?) A greedy, selfish, immoral country foolishly knighting ourselves into godhood. This is how my Iraqi-American neighbor sees us! He said we're like a bunch of 'Saddams reigning terror on those that have not and foolishly manipulating the law to suit the few that would mock God and seek to destroy Him.' He's been a citizen for over 25 years and has seen this country's morality sink lower and lower.

Get out of your neighborhood (physically and mentally) and open your eyes to what's going on in the world! We're not the 'Promised Land' we used to be. All eyes are on us and they're not all friendly. Mocking God has consequences which could make 9/11/01 look like a picnic.

[BigBadBrian]

Re: LMAO!

Originally posted by Switch84
:p Mice, the elderly, the infertile, etc! What else are you going to pull out of your hat to dispute and mock what is holy and sacred for millions (shit, BILLIONS) of people across the globe, not just the United States? And it's not just reserved for Christianity, either. I have Muslim and Jewish relatives and it's pretty much the same in their faiths also. Why do you think some folks view the U.S as the modern day 'Babylon' (A debauchery-infested and Godless nation in need of being cleansed by whatever means necessary?) A greedy, selfish, immoral country foolishly knighting ourselves into godhood. This is how my Iraqi-American neighbor sees us! He said we're like a bunch of 'Saddams reigning terror on those that have not and foolishly manipulating the law to suit the few that would mock God and seek to destroy Him.' He's been a citizen for over 25 years and has seen this country's morality sink lower and lower.

Get out of your neighborhood (physically and mentally) and open your eyes to what's going on in the world! We're not the 'Promised Land' we used to be. All eyes are on us and they're not all friendly. Mocking God has consequences which could make 9/11/01 look like a picnic.

Damn. You need to visit this forum more often. You try to tell people around here that America is hated by the majority in the Muslim world in particular for our debauchery and Godlessness and they just laugh. They claim it's because of our support for Israel and lack thereof for Palestinians. That's part of it, but just a very minor part.

The Israeli/Palestinian claim of the Left shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the Islamic faith...Wahhabism in particular. We need to understand the root causes of our enemy and terrorism before we can get a grip on it.

[Guitar Shark]

Religion is the root of most forms of evil in the world today.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Religion is the root of most forms of evil in the world today.

Ye hath a point, Matthew.

But verily I say unto you that the problem is not religion, the problem is there are too many Pharisees and not enough Disciples.

[knuckleboner]

Re: Re: LMAO!

Originally posted by BigBadBrian

The Israeli/Palestinian claim of the Left shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the Islamic faith...Wahhabism in particular. We need to understand the root causes of our enemy and terrorism before we can get a grip on it.

hating us and attacking us are 2 entirely different things.

i'm sure the extreme islamics hate the debauchery of amsterdam. yet you'll never seem them attack the dutch. why?

our "great satan" might be good copy for getting the young "martyrs" to attack America. but it's not what's driving the fanatical leaders. bin laden's thinking of power and control in the middle east more than he's thinking of Americans eating pork.




and switch, i wasn't using the elderly claim to mock Christianity or religion. just to point out that producing life isn't the sole point of marriage, even according to the catholic church. so i don't see why procreation is an argument as to whether or not a particular union should be moral.

[BigBadBrian]

Re: Re: Re: LMAO!

Originally posted by knuckleboner
hating us and attacking us are 2 entirely different things.

i'm sure the extreme islamics hate the debauchery of amsterdam. yet you'll never seem them attack the dutch. why?

I can't even believe you asked that question.

[FORD]

Re: Re: Re: Re: LMAO!

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I can't even believe you asked that question.

I *CAN* believe that you don't know how to answer it

[HELLVIS]

Re: I hear ya, Cat, Hellvis, Elvis, and Jesus!

Originally posted by Switch84
Wow, I'm lovin' this thread! I have my bible open right beside me and reading through it!

Faith without works ain't SHIT, y'all! Are folks so spiritually retarded that they need to 'see it to believe it'? These very people naysaying and player hating on the word of God are the same ones that religiously attend Star Trek conventions and believe "The X Files" is more than a tv show (And 'worship' a Rock Star that knows nothing, or probably cares nothing about them)! I've never met Jesus or God per se, but in my heart of hearts (FAITH, PEOPLE) I know He's real. If it wasn't for divine intervention and His mercy, I'd be dead right now; there's just too many things that has occurred in my life that mere man cannot do!

Dr. Seuss wrote many books, so has Stephen King and Anne Rice; Are their works more 'valid' because you've seen/heard/read info on them? And what of simple science and biology, which bible haters tend to rely heavily on? Are you aware that it is biologically impossible for a man to impregnate another man? It's the same with two women. Life cannot spring from which isn't natural. That's a fact. If ya want to get even more base with it, THE PIECES DON'T FIT! In gay couples, masculine and feminine roles are imitated; I call it psuedo-heterosexuality. Sexuality is a behavior, and behaviors are learned and can be unlearned. Murderers, rapists, and chronic criminals could use the same argument gays are using ('I can't help myself! I was born this way!) Are we to legislate rights for these abhorrent behaviors also? God help us if we do.

That is, without a doubt, the best post yet on this thread ( and there wave been some damn good ones ).
It deserves a 10 star vote, but I can only give five.

[Lqskdiver]

Homosexuality goes against the every thing in the natural world order. It does not serve a purpose, but satisfy the desires of the flesh.

[FORD]

1 Samuel 18
1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.
3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.

[FORD]

1 Samuel 20

1 And David fled from Naioth in Ramah, and came and said before Jonathan, What have I done? what is mine iniquity? and what is my sin before thy father, that he seeketh my life?
2 And he said unto him, God forbid; thou shalt not die: behold, my father will do nothing either great or small, but that he will shew it me: and why should my father hide this thing from me? it is not so.
3 And David sware moreover, and said, Thy father certainly knoweth that I have found grace in thine eyes; and he saith, Let not Jonathan know this, lest he be grieved: but truly as the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, there is but a step between me and death.
4 Then said Jonathan unto David, Whatsoever thy soul desireth, I will even do it for thee.
5 And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.
6 If thy father at all miss me, then say, David earnestly asked leave of me that he might run to Bethlehem his city: for there is a yearly sacrifice there for all the family.
7 If he say thus, It is well; thy servant shall have peace: but if he be very wroth, then be sure that evil is determined by him.
8 Therefore thou shalt deal kindly with thy servant; for thou hast brought thy servant into a covenant of the LORD with thee: notwithstanding, if there be in me iniquity, slay me thyself; for why shouldest thou bring me to thy father?
9 And Jonathan said, Far be it from thee: for if I knew certainly that evil were determined by my father to come upon thee, then would not I tell it thee?
10 Then said David to Jonathan, Who shall tell me? or what if thy father answer thee roughly?
11 And Jonathan said unto David, Come, and let us go out into the field. And they went out both of them into the field.
12 And Jonathan said unto David, O LORD God of Israel, when I have sounded my father about to morrow any time, or the third day, and, behold, if there be good toward David, and I then send not unto thee, and shew it thee;
13 The LORD do so and much more to Jonathan: but if it please my father to do thee evil, then I will shew it thee, and send thee away, that thou mayest go in peace: and the LORD be with thee, as he hath been with my father.
14 And thou shalt not only while yet I live shew me the kindness of the LORD, that I die not:
15 But also thou shalt not cut off thy kindness from my house for ever: no, not when the LORD hath cut off the enemies of David every one from the face of the earth.
16 So Jonathan made a covenant with the house of David, saying, Let the LORD even require it at the hand of David's enemies.
17 And Jonathan caused David to swear again, because he loved him: for he loved him as he loved his own soul.
18 Then Jonathan said to David, To morrow is the new moon: and thou shalt be missed, because thy seat will be empty.
19 And when thou hast stayed three days, then thou shalt go down quickly, and come to the place where thou didst hide thyself when the business was in hand, and shalt remain by the stone Ezel.
20 And I will shoot three arrows on the side thereof, as though I shot at a mark.
21 And, behold, I will send a lad, saying, Go, find out the arrows. If I expressly say unto the lad, Behold, the arrows are on this side of thee, take them; then come thou: for there is peace to thee, and no hurt; as the LORD liveth.
22 But if I say thus unto the young man, Behold, the arrows are beyond thee; go thy way: for the LORD hath sent thee away.
23 And as touching the matter which thou and I have spoken of, behold, the LORD be between thee and me for ever.
24 So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat.
25 And the king sat upon his seat, as at other times, even upon a seat by the wall: and Jonathan arose, and Abner sat by Saul's side, and David's place was empty.
26 Nevertheless Saul spake not any thing that day: for he thought, Something hath befallen him, he is not clean; surely he is not clean.
27 And it came to pass on the morrow, which was the second day of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?
28 And Jonathan answered Saul, David earnestly asked leave of me to go to Bethlehem:
29 And he said, Let me go, I pray thee; for our family hath a sacrifice in the city; and my brother, he hath commanded me to be there: and now, if I have found favour in thine eyes, let me get away, I pray thee, and see my brethren. Therefore he cometh not unto the king's table.
30 Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?
31 For as long as the son of Jesse liveth upon the ground, thou shalt not be established, nor thy kingdom. Wherefore now send and fetch him unto me, for he shall surely die.
32 And Jonathan answered Saul his father, and said unto him, Wherefore shall he be slain? what hath he done?
33 And Saul cast a javelin at him to smite him: whereby Jonathan knew that it was determined of his father to slay David.
34 So Jonathan arose from the table in fierce anger, and did eat no meat the second day of the month: for he was grieved for David, because his father had done him shame.
35 And it came to pass in the morning, that Jonathan went out into the field at the time appointed with David, and a little lad with him.
36 And he said unto his lad, Run, find out now the arrows which I shoot. And as the lad ran, he shot an arrow beyond him.
37 And when the lad was come to the place of the arrow which Jonathan had shot, Jonathan cried after the lad, and said, Is not the arrow beyond thee?
38 And Jonathan cried after the lad, Make speed, haste, stay not. And Jonathan's lad gathered up the arrows, and came to his master.
39 But the lad knew not any thing: only Jonathan and David knew the matter.
40 And Jonathan gave his artillery unto his lad, and said unto him, Go, carry them to the city.
41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.
42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the LORD, saying, The LORD be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city.

[FORD]

Apparently God had no problem with His chosen king for Israel being in a homosexual relationship.

Granted, there's no direct reference to sex, but they were kissing and deeply in love, so draw your own conclusions.