Official Presidential Debate Thread - Live TYT coverage

[ZahZoo]

Best thing about the debate was popcorn I made just before it started... I've pegged it the rearview mirror debate. Most of the discussion was what's behind us and no vision for the future. At least the Democrats can't spin Biden's poor state or call that Cheap fakes...

[Terry]

Had made the choice earlier this year that I wasn't voting.

Nothing I saw on that debate stage made me change my mind on that.

The way I saw it, neither candidate 'won'...though people got a clear look at Biden in a format using the ground rules he wanted, and the result was troubling. Very worrying, And all this surrogate chatter that "Biden' had a cold" or "Biden is totally on top of his game in private meetings"...no. Just no. Can't gaslight Biden's appearance and demeanor. No soft-pedalling it any more. Can't pretend it was the result of a maga deepfake. Nor that it was a temporary glitch. Heck, I VOTED for Biden and honestly I'm concerned that he has the capacity to last until the end of this term, much less four more years.

The best dem surrogates can seem to suggest boils down in essence to "yeah, Biden isn't as capable as he should be, but what he stands for is better than what Trump is offering."

Well, good luck to the party with that. Who knows? Biden still may win in November. I'm far, far less concerned with Biden than I am the country.

[Nickdfresh]

They also can't spin that Trump looks like an angry deranged cunt filled with seething rage and vitriol. A pumpkin gourd of hate..

[Terry]

Lot of voters out there are looking at the economic landscape - substantial, prolonged inflation combined with skyrocketing interest and premiums - along with the seeming inability for us to control the influx of immigrants looking to enter the country and combining that with the sad state of many of our major American cities (homelessness, lawlessness) and making the calculation that this all results from failed democratic party policies and a lack of ability on the part of the Biden Administration to get a hold on the economy. For their troubles, said voters are being told "the economy/housing isn't that bad" and that all these illegal immigrants pouring over the southern border is good for the country...basically, if you're hurting economically, it's your fault for either not being successful or being too much of a pussy that you can't tighten your belt a little more and if you think your country should exhibit strict control over who can come and live in it, then you're a racist.

Top that off with no foreign policy achievements to speak of, I'm a little unsure as to what Biden is going to campaign on, other than what he did 4 years ago which is the anti-Trump candidate.

Again, who knows? Maybe not being Donald Trump will be enough again this fall. Hard for me to look at the last 4 years in America as a success. Even harder to think Biden has the juice to go another four years.

[Seshmeister]

You and pretty much anyone else reading this would be a better option than Trump. I don't see how given his last term people think he will improve any of the issues you list. Last time he borrowed (or made US taxpayers borrow) a bunch of money and gave it to rich people how does that solve inflation? He didn't build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.

[ZahZoo]

As they sit at the moment... the current leadership choices suck!

Terry thoughtfully pointed out many of the core issues most Americans care about and are impacted by... inflation, interest rates, the border/immigration, lawlessness/crime, national debt and international policy. Majority of adult voter share more in common over concerns on those core issues than differences.

Neither presidential candidate offers a palatable vision to address those issues that would produce the results most of the country wants.

There's stirring and indicators that big money and the shadow big power players in the Democratic party are looking to find Sleepy Joe™ an off-ramp or outright force him out. If that happens and I believe it's got a strong probability factor... it could cause a major shift that puts Trump at a significant disadvantage. Biden's replacement is the questionable part of the puzzle... Harris ain't it and Newsome is questionable as well. But I can't imagine the top players can back another Biden term, nor stomach a Trump victory... Something is gonna have to give...

[Seshmeister]

I hope so.

[ZahZoo]

Well the Supreme Court just added a new dimension to all this... their ruling doesn't fully exonerate Trump but the 91 counts of indictments just took a big hit and will delay the Jan 6th and Georgia Lawfare cases and impact the scope of those cases.

[FORD]

On the other hand, they just created blanket Presidential immunity out of thin air, so Biden could order Seal Team 6 to eliminate the Orange bastard and totally get away with it.

Odds of him doing so are infinitely small, of course. Just saying these 6 morons on the court just opened that door.

[Seshmeister]

Well the Supreme Court just added a new dimension to all this... their ruling doesn't fully exonerate Trump but the 91 counts of indictments just took a big hit and will delay the Jan 6th and Georgia Lawfare cases and impact the scope of those cases.

Seems to me to be a very partisan judgement but he appointed 3/9 of the judges of course. The Mar A Largo case is an open goal of a case he's clearly guilty but it is being blatantly blocked by another judge he appointed. From the outside the US justice system is looking crooked.

This isn't To Kill a Mocking Bird or 12 Angry Men....

[Seshmeister]

On the other hand, they just created blanket Presidential immunity out of thin air, so Biden could order Seal Team 6 to eliminate the Orange bastard and totally get away with it.

Odds of him doing so are infinitely small, of course. Just saying these 6 morons on the court just opened that door.

Now that the court has given the President the powers of a medieval king it makes it all the more important you don't elect someone who will use them...

[Romeo Delight]

Cheeto is telling one lie after another. Unfortunately Biden seems like he's barely conscious and not refuting the bullshit at all. And the CNN moderators are useless. Not counteracting the lies or even making Cheeto answer a fucking question.

But where does the moderating of "lies" begin and end?

Example - When the Pres lies/misrepresents how his son died previously, do the moderators embarass him? Excuse me Mr. Presedent, your son did not die that way. " I mean, isn't the debate over then and there? If you have the story so widely false in something so personal...

All in all I thought they did a decent job, all things considered especially given their deeeeep biases.

[Romeo Delight]

Now that the court has given the President the powers of a medieval king it makes it all the more important you don't elect someone who will use them...

But why are we here though? You don't recognize any fault of deeply corrupt meddling and deeply political trumped up charges that should never have been brought in the first place? That is the real issue.

Its only those complaining now of heinous acts that they could/should perform given the new "power". It's not new. It just had to be spelt out in the light of the abuses that have taken place with the Democrat agenda to win at all costs.

[Romeo Delight]

Seems to me to be a very partisan judgement but he appointed 3/9 of the judges of course. The Mar A Largo case is an open goal of a case he's clearly guilty but it is being blatantly blocked by another judge he appointed. From the outside the US justice system is looking crooked.

This isn't To Kill a Mocking Bird or 12 Angry Men....

It is certainly crooked...only now being corrected.

[FORD]