immigration and crime

[Seshmeister]

[ZahZoo]

I have! I used to live in a farming fucking shithole where illegal immigrants were piped in on buses you can still see around the farms there. You know why? Because they can fucking use and abuse them like cattle without paying things like minimum wage and social security and stuff.

Gee, why do so many "illegal immigrants" come here? Because we are addicted to their cheap labor and you are all full of fucking shit!

I grew up in California's Salinas valley and later lived/worked in the Santa Clara valley... later nicknamed Silicon Valley. Both are rich agricultural areas with a history of migrant farm worker abuse. I've seen the abuse and human trafficking first hand... even watched and overheard the deals between big farm owners and Mexican Mafia assholes openly discussed in a Sambos restaurant that I was a cook at when I was 19. There's no denying the shit that goes on...

But there's the other side of this that doesn't get much air time... I was friends with many good people who even with the cheap wages... they worked their asses off and sent money back home to Mexico or other central American countries that enabled them to buy clothes and shoes so their kids could go to school and make something of their lives at home and not have to go through what the parents sacrificed to give them a better life. That's why a majority of those folks risk to travel north to the US...

[Seshmeister]

As far as the candidates in the US presidential election goes It's kind of funny that 3/4 of the candidates parents were immigrants and Harris has exactly the kind of immigrants every western country is happy to get - super educated scientists whereas Trump's Scottish mother was an unskilled domestic and by all accounts a nasty piece of work that is part of the reason for his personality issues.

Also ironic that usually Scotland and in particular Ireland are all over claiming a US success story as one of their own but most people in Scotland are not fans of Trump due to shit that went down with him buying golf courses pre presidency plus his politics and that Harris gets her Irish name from an ancestors slave owner so a bit awkward.. The Irish like the Scots like to pretend they weren't involved in that kind of shit back in the day when actually a bunch of them were acting as the henchmen of the British Empire.

[Kristy]

I have! I used to live in a farming fucking shithole where illegal immigrants were piped in on buses you can still see around the farms there. You know why? Because they can fucking use and abuse them like cattle without paying things like minimum wage and social security and stuff.

Gee, why do so many "illegal immigrants" come here? Because we are addicted to their cheap labor and you are all full of fucking shit!

I'd say that's true. About a year ago we had one hell of a devastating hail storm the same storm that injured a lot of people at a Red Rocks show that went to the E.R. with head wounds from being pounding with chunks of ice coming at you from the sky with no mercy.

Anyway, my non-point/point being that there was also massive property damage particularly to roofs if not a lot of cars being totaled (mine was among them) and who did the repairs? It wasn't white "folks" with their Trump signs but I'd say who did that back-backing labor were all immigrants, working in dangerous conditions in either extreme heat or extreme cold with no health insurance, so if any one of them ever became injured they were more than fucked. Zah in his Fox News Bubble World seems to ignore this eating his shitty Walmart Cheerios binge watching his right-wing hate machine and absorbing in all the fear they have to spew. Not one of those immigrants looked or ever did anything criminal, they were looking for a better quality of life for not only them but their families. No Fox News watching retard is ever going to do that line of work. If Zah wants to dwell in fear because his F A T orange cult leader tells them that brown-skinned people are not "the best people" he can go to the places where they came from and see how long he wants to live there. The only way to control illegal immigration is for America to stop fucking with other countries in the Global South. That is never going to happen. After all, who are these Fox anchors going to call when they need landscaping done?

[Nickdfresh]

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I agree with the premise that only a tiny percentage of immigrants come here and commit crimes. Most are just good people looking for a better life and have no interest in committing crimes.

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Of course! In fact they are drawn here by white collar criminals like Donald Trump, to exploit cheap labor devoid of OSHA, Social Security, and taxes.
Report: Trump Happily Employing Undocumented Workers While ICE Rounds Them Up


The president is fine with an immigrant “invasion” when it’s benefitting him financially.

By Bess Levin
August 9, 2019
By NICHOLAS KAMM/AFP/Getty Images.

Demonizing immigrants played a key role in Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency, just as cracking down on “illegal” border crossings and whipping the base into a frenzy over a so-called migrant “invasion” has been a regular feature of his time in office and reelection efforts. But undocumented immigrants have also served another, lesser known but nevertheless vital function in the president’s life: providing cheap labor at his businesses. And not just, like, in years past, or in the first few months of his presidency, but as of—what’s that now?—today. Yes, it’s a tough job to foam at the mouth daily about people entering the country without going through the proper channels first, use it to justify separating families and sending people back to nations they’ve never known—all the while relying on them to keep your golf clubs running—but somebody’s got to do it!

The Washington Post reports that the Trump Organization currently employs a “roving crew of Latin American employees” to perform masonry and maintenance work at his winery and various golf clubs around the country. For almost two decades, the group has been comprised of workers who came into the US illegally—the penalty for which the president seemingly believes should be death—according to two former crew members. Another one, who still works for Trump, told reporters Joshua Partlow and David A. Fahrenthold that remains the case today. President Trump “doesn’t want undocumented people in the country,” said Jorge Castro, an Ecuadorian immigrant without legal status who left the company last spring after nine years. “But at his properties, he still has them.” He added: “If you’re a good worker, papers don’t matter.”

Castro said he worked on seven Trump properties, most recently Trump’s golf club in Northern Virginia. He provided The Washington Post with several years of his pay stubs from Trump’s construction company, Mobile Payroll Construction LLC, as well as photos of him and his colleagues on Trump courses and text messages he exchanged with his boss, including one in January dispatching him to “Bedminster,” Trump’s New Jersey golf course.

Another immigrant who worked for the Trump construction crew, Edmundo Morocho, said he was told by a Trump supervisor to buy fake identity documents on a New York street corner. He said he once hid in the woods of a Trump golf course to avoid being seen by visiting labor union officials.

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Last January, Eric Trump, who took over the day-to-day business with his brother, Don Jr., said that the Trump Organization was “making a broad effort to identify any employee who has given false and fraudulent documents to unlawfully gain employment,” and that any such individuals would be fired immediately. He also claimed that the company was implementing E-Verify, a program that lets employers check the immigration status of new hires “as soon as possible,” though—and please, find something to brace yourself against lest the shock of what you’re about to hear knock you flat on your back—nothing “changed on the Trump construction crew, according to current and former employees.” Watch Now:

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It’s almost as though the president wants the political benefit of treating undocumented immigrants as subhuman menaces while simultaneously receiving the economic benefit of being able to hire people who he can pay less money and not provide health insurance, something his “they’re taking our jobs!” supporters would probably take issue with. (Trump “was saving a lot of money with us,” Castro, whose paychecks show that he made $19 an hour starting in 2016, and then $21 an hour in 2018, told the Post. According to a former carpenter on the crew, “the salary for that work,” which included long hours in the sun breaking rocks or digging trenches “was very low,” and he now earns twice as much doing similar work at a union job, where also receives benefits.) There’s also the uncomfortable matter of Trump’s business practice encouraging the very trend he supposedly believes is destroying the country:

While poverty and violence have pushed thousands to leave Latin America, U.S. businesses that employ undocumented workers are also a major driver of illegal immigration, experts say. By employing workers without legal status, the Trump Organization has an advantage over its competitors, particularly at a time when the economy is strong and the labor market tight, according to industry officials. Undocumented employees are less likely to risk changing jobs and less likely to complain if treated poorly.

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The White House did not respond to the Post’s request for comment. The Trump Organization did not respond to specific questions about the legal status of workers at Mobile Payroll Construction—the official company, solely owned by Trump, that started paying the crew as of 2015—, saying in a statement “since this issue was first brought to our attention, we have taken diligent steps, including the use of E-Verify at all of our properties and companies. Those efforts continue and where an employee is found to have provided fake or fraudulent documentation to unlawfully gain employment, that individual will be terminated. Fortunately, among the thousands of individuals employed by our organization, we have encountered very few instances where this has occurred.”

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Of course, no one would begrudge Trump for employing undocumented workers if he didn’t spend most of his waking hours railing against the scourge of illegal immigration or, y’know, rounding people up en masse for the crime of what apparently occurs daily at the Trump Organization:

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents swept through seven work sites in six cities across Mississippi on Wednesday, arresting approximately 680 people the agency said were undocumented immigrants in what officials said is the largest single-state workplace enforcement action in U.S. history. The raids targeted agricultural processing plants, part of a year-long investigation into illegal employment of immigrants in the state, officials said.

[Nickdfresh]

I've yet to encounter anyone who opposes legal immigration to the US... most people recognize and appreciate the diversity that legal immigration has brought to US culture and society.....

I have! I used to live in a farming fucking shithole where illegal immigrants were piped in on buses you can still see around the farms there. You know why? Because they can fucking use and abuse them like cattle without paying things like minimum wage and social security and stuff.

Gee, why do so many "illegal immigrants" come here? Because we are addicted to their cheap labor and you are all full of fucking shit!

[twonabomber]

I've mentioned that my home town has become a sanctuary city. Many have come here from Leon, Mexico.

No real change in crime in town. There was a shooting a few weeks ago, but the suspect and victim appear to have known each other. I've heard of low level Mexican gangs but they aren't running through neighborhoods tearing shit up or anything crazy.

[Seshmeister]

. Humans fuck and reproduce like rabbits with no predatory threats/control to keep the growth in check. Then they outgrow the available sustainable resources... That's more about population growth than climate change.

They do until you get the females educated and empowered.

[ZahZoo]

You're right about soft power and foreign aid in helping people where their roots were planted. It appears even that has proven ineffective and the terrible leadership in those areas circumvented the aid to the point where the people who needed it the most never benefited. In many cases the aid still flows at high rates... people are still wanting to migrate.

I'm still not convinced that climate change is the catalyst that drives this though... Africa and parts of South America have always been fairly inhospitable to sustainable human life from a climate perspective. Modern technological advances allowed for human population growth that previously wasn't possible because of the climate before. Humans fuck and reproduce like rabbits with no predatory threats/control to keep the growth in check. Then they outgrow the available sustainable resources... That's more about population growth than climate change.

[Seshmeister]

From what I've read there's global mass migration at levels never seen before going on. It's straining things not only in the US but most of Europe too. I believe some controls need to help keep this orderly and not cause life outside of every shit-hole country to be degraded.

Everyone does.

Seems to me It would be a lot cheaper and easier to help them where they are. There is the misconception with some people that foreign aid is some pissing money away thing, it's not its money well spent even if you don't give a shit about helping people. The USA and the UK to a lesser extent used to have a massive amount of soft power through foreign aid but it's diminishing. Soft power is relatively cheap and no one gets killed. Add in climate change meaning these people are uprooted in Africa and South America.

The conservative isolationist shit fuck the environment childish thing doesn't work, it comes home to roost.

[Kristy]

You're the delusional one here, Greg Gutfeld Butt Boy

[ZahZoo]

Oh, bullshit you don't watch Fox News.

That's ok... hold on to your delusions tightly. They serve you well...

[ZahZoo]

If you consider 400k arriving compared to 500K... yeah, it's less but it's still a lot of humanity on the move!

The high profile tragic crimes catch the headlines and stir a lot of emotion up... probably caused by less than 1% of the people coming here.

I agree with the premise that only a tiny percentage of immigrants come here and commit crimes. Most are just good people looking for a better life and have no interest in committing crimes.

From what I've read there's global mass migration at levels never seen before going on. It's straining things not only in the US but most of Europe too. I believe some controls need to help keep this orderly and not cause life outside of every shit-hole country to be degraded.

[Seshmeister]

I wasn't even getting into the economics of it just pointing out that this stuff about thousands of rapists and murderers streaming over the border is a fairy story.

Also is it not true that fewer people came over the southern border last month than in the last month of the Trump presidency? I haven't tried to double check that yet but I was surprised given all the hype in the media of things being completely out of control down there.

[Kristy]

Oh, bullshit you don't watch Fox News.