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  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    Police Chief = Make Drugs Legal

    Sunday, October 30, 2005 - Page updated at 12:00 AM

    Ex-top cop: make drugs legal
    By Nicole Brodeur

    Seattle Times staff columnist


    For five years, former Police Chief Norm Stamper has stood alone as the man who let the WTO's visit become forever known as "The Battle in Seattle."

    Stamper is once again a solitary man, this time as an experienced lawman who thinks the world would be a better place if drugs were legal. In an Oct. 16 Los Angeles Times op-ed piece titled, "Let Those Dopers Be," Stamper called for the legalization of "not just pot, but all drugs," including heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and LSD.

    People have the same right to use them, he wrote, as they do to smoke and to drink alcohol, so these "verboten drugs" should be available in government-regulated stores.

    Doing so, he said, "Would drive unscrupulous dealers out of business overnight."

    It also would ease prison costs, since nonviolent drug offenders would be freed.

    "We're making more arrests for drug offenses than for murder, manslaughter, forcible rape and aggravated assault combined," Stamper wrote. "Feel safer?"

    Stamper should know better than anyone that alcohol and drug use is at the start of many crimes. We've legalized alcohol, but that didn't stop drunken drivers from killing 16,694 people in 2004.

    Stamper's piece has energized his ongoing tour for his book, "Breaking Rank: A Top Cop's Exposé of the Dark Side of Policing," and has put him at the center of an interesting debate. Fox News and MSNBC had him on. And CNN asked him to talk about the economic effects of drug decriminalization.

    There's some irony in this: While our former top cop is saying people should be free to smoke, shoot and swallow, we're wringing our hands over where strippers can stand.

    Yet there are those who agree with Stamper. Earlier this year, the King County Bar Association's Drug Policy Project proposed a plan "for replacing the current framework of criminal prohibition with one of legal regulation."




    But Dan Satterberg, the chief of staff of the King County Prosecuting Attorney's Office, thinks Stamper is way off.

    "What he's proposing is a social experiment from which there would be no return," he said. "You'd have a whole lot more people using a whole lot more drugs. And what's the message you send to kids? 'Don't do drugs, but go here if you want to buy them.' "

    The state gives some $8.5 million annually — previously earmarked for prison construction — to pay for treatment for people facing county drug charges. If they stay clean for six months, their cases are dismissed. As an added bonus, they're no longer using.

    "Criminal justice is when you have the best chance to help them out," Satterberg said.

    Stamper disagrees. He has twin granddaughters. "No way in hell would I be advocating legalization if I thought that ... would jeopardize their lives."

    He needs to think a little harder about how legalized drugs would affect all our lives — and how — legal or not — they would continue to imprison those who use them.

    Nicole Brodeur's column appears Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday. Reach her at 206-464-2334 or nbrodeur@seattletimes.com.

    What would Tommy Chong do?
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?
  • Dr. Love
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7833

    #2
    Lounge Machine = Why all the question marks in the thread titles?
    I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      Originally posted by LoungeMachine

      What would Tommy Chong do?
      Get arrested, again...

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      • Hardrock69
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Feb 2005
        • 21894

        #4
        Not if drugs were legal.

        It is legal to possess small amounts of drugs in quite a few countries around the world.

        I thought you were against funding terr-ists?

        The U.S. Government is funding terrorism as long as drugs are a crime in the US.

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 59357

          #5
          I agree with everything Chief Normie says above. But what he left out was the fact that it simply makes more sense to treat drug addiction as a health problem than as a criminal offense. Anyone who thinks you'll cure an addict by locking him up obviously doesn't know anything about what goes on in the iron house.
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          • PHOENIX
            Veteran
            • Jan 2004
            • 2212

            #6
            Canada will legalize drugs soon.

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            • Hardrock69
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Feb 2005
              • 21894

              #7
              It is already legal to posess small amounts of Cannabis in Germany, Italy, Columbia (of course) and The Netherlands.

              Oh, and it is legal in Alaska.

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              • Guitar Shark
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Jan 2004
                • 7579

                #8
                Originally posted by FORD
                Anyone who thinks you'll cure an addict by locking him up obviously doesn't know anything about what goes on in the iron house.
                Tell us a story from your days in the iron house, FORD. But please, not the soap-on-a-rope story again.
                :p
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                Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 59357

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                  Tell us a story from your days in the iron house, FORD. But please, not the soap-on-a-rope story again.
                  :p
                  I've actually been to three of our state's facilities. But only as a visitor or a job applicant, never a resident.
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                  • Warham
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                    • Mar 2004
                    • 14589

                    #10
                    I disagree with this 'chief', and I use the term loosely.

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 59357

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Warham
                      I disagree with this 'chief', and I use the term loosely.
                      Why?
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                      • Warham
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 14589

                        #12
                        "What he's proposing is a social experiment from which there would be no return," he said. "You'd have a whole lot more people using a whole lot more drugs. And what's the message you send to kids? 'Don't do drugs, but go here if you want to buy them.' "

                        I agree with this.

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 59357

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Warham
                          "What he's proposing is a social experiment from which there would be no return," he said. "You'd have a whole lot more people using a whole lot more drugs. And what's the message you send to kids? 'Don't do drugs, but go here if you want to buy them.' "

                          I agree with this.
                          Bullshit.

                          If you use drugs, and you hang out with people who use the same drugs, you're going to know where to find the supply of drugs.

                          Drug prohibition does nothing, except increase crime. Not only does it make the drug addict a criminal, but it makes them commit further crimes in order to buy the drugs at black market prices. Meanwhile, the true criminals, such as the BCE/CIA and their offshoot "Al Qaeda" laugh all the way to the bank.

                          Legalize EVERYTHING. Sell marijuana under the same circumstances as alcohol. And watch the tax revenue roll in. All of the other drugs by prescription only.

                          Funds from the wasteful retarded "war on drugs" can be diverted to rehab programs to get addicts off drugs.

                          There's no logical reason not to do this.
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                          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                          • Keeyth
                            Crazy Ass Mofo
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 3010

                            #14
                            Exactly. what we have going on now is a social experiment that has gone WAY out of control, but there IS a way to return from the chaos that we have today: Legalize it.
                            Then so much money is made by the government, and so much money is no longer wasted on futile programs (like incarceration).

                            There would still be criminal offenses for people doing things that endanger others(ie; driving under the influence) so what's the big deal if we start being able to tax all the drugs that are already being sold anyway?

                            You think by not legalizing it, it's going to stem the flow of drugs at ALL???

                            If so, then I must ask you:
                            What rock have you been living under since 1973 that has shielded you from the fact that the war on drugs is LOST???!?!??!!?!!
                            There is only one way for the government to win the war on drugs. Make them legal. It's an overnight victory for all.
                            Knowing and believing are two very different things.

                            It is the difference between the knowledge we accrue... ...and the knowledge we apply.

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                            • Keeyth
                              Crazy Ass Mofo
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 3010

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Warham
                              "What he's proposing is a social experiment from which there would be no return," he said. "You'd have a whole lot more people using a whole lot more drugs. And what's the message you send to kids? 'Don't do drugs, but go here if you want to buy them.' "

                              I agree with this.

                              Um, did you completely miss class on the day they taught us about Prohibition???? Are you really so blind as to not see that what is happening today by making drugs illegal is EXACTLY the same thing??? AND is failing in EXACTLY the same way prohibition did???

                              Hello?? *bonk**bonk* McFly?? McFly!! *bonk**bonk*!!
                              Knowing and believing are two very different things.

                              It is the difference between the knowledge we accrue... ...and the knowledge we apply.

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