Tipping Point? Could Iowa Upend Hillary's 'Inevitability?'

[Nickdfresh]

No article here. I've just heard whispers in a few different places that the Iowa Caucus, where Hillary is hardly dominant, could actually shift the entire race to say Obama, the way that Kerry took over for Dean as the nominee in 2004.

Thoughts?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/10/AR2007111001215.html

[FORD]

Please, Jesus. Let it be so!! :D

[Guitar Shark]

Doesn't matter. Neither of them will win the general election.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Doesn't matter. Neither of them will win the general election.

Maybe, but who says Obama has to win Iowa?

If you want to use 2004 as a model, which seems to be the basis for the argument in the article, Judas IsKerryot wasn't running in second place before Iowa either.

Since it, unfortunately, appears that President Gore is not running for re-election, we have to look elsewhere for the winner, and we have to remember the lessons of the last 40 years...

Lesson one: SENATORS CANNOT FUCKING WIN!!

But governors do.

Bill Richardson is far from my ideal candidate. But on paper, he is the most qualified of anybody running for the office, including the fact that he's a sitting governor. Unfortunately, he's been all but ignored by the whore media, and he didn't help himself much when he referred to sexual orientation as a "choice" in the debate sponsored by the LGBT organizations.

If the curse against Senators expires after you have been out of office a few years, maybe Edwards has a shot?

[Guitar Shark]

If we're talking about the general election rather than the primaries, Edwards has a much better shot than Richardson. He's white.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
If we're talking about the general election rather than the primaries, Edwards has a much better shot than Richardson. He's white.

Yes, but the idiots who would decide a candidate's worth based on ethnicity alone probably think that Richardson is "white" also, because his name is "Richardson" rather than "Ramirez".

And besides, racists are going to vote RepubliKKKan anyway.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
And besides, racists are going to vote RepubliKKKan anyway.

Thanks for making my point - it doesn't matter. I think it is highly unlikely that American voters in 2007 will elect a minority, or a woman, POTUS.

[FORD]

Dennis Kucinich is white. I guess this is his year then.

[Nickdfresh]

But short.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
But short.

So what? He can lie about his height like Chimpy did.

There's no way in Hell that imbecile is 6 ft tall, but he claimed to be.

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
No article here. I've just heard whispers in a few different places that the Iowa Caucus, where Hillary is hardly dominant, could actually shift the entire race to say Obama, the way that Kerry took over for Dean as the nominee in 2004.

Thoughts?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111001215.html

Obama is better than Hillary and Gulliani. He's inexperienced and naive of foriegn policy but I don't think he's sold out yet like Hill/Bill and Gulliasshole have.

[Hardrock69]

That is his strong point.

Elect him before he gets completely corrupted by the system.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Thanks for making my point - it doesn't matter. I think it is highly unlikely that American voters in 2007 will elect a minority, or a woman, POTUS.

True.

But 2008 is another matter

I still think Shrillary will go the way of Dr. Dean, but for different reasons altogether.

And I dont know if an Edward / Obama ticket is the key, or if Big Al will still run, but this much I know.

The only thing that will keep the Dems from wining the WH, will be the emergence of a serious 3rd party ticket.

No way in hell any of the current RePUKE candidates have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

Romney / Huckabee is about as good as they're gonna do.

Iowa can't come fast enough for me...

[FORD]

Unfortunately, Gore has pretty much sealed his fate in recent days. He's going into business as a "venture capitalist" to invest in green-related businesses. A worthy effort, definitely, but it would be impossible to do that and campaign for President at the same time, so it appears President Gore has finalized his choice not to run again.

I just hope that decision doesn't damn all of us - including Mother Earth - to 4 or 8 more years of destructive policies.

[FORD]

Al Gore joins top venture capital firm
President to guide investments that help fight global warming
The Associated Press
updated 10:49 a.m. PT, Mon., Nov. 12, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO - Al Gore announced Monday he’s joining Silicon Valley’s most prestigious venture capital firm to guide investments that help combat global warming.

Gore, who won the Nobel Peace Prize last month for his work on climate change, joins Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers as it and dozens of other venture firms expand into so-called “clean-tech” investments worldwide.

The former vice president, who starred in the Academy Award-winning global warming documentary, “An Inconvenient Truth,” is expected to be a high-profile, active partner at Kleiner Perkins. He’s already a senior adviser to Google Inc. and a member of the board at Apple Inc. Alliance for Climate Protection, the advocacy group he co-founded, is based in Palo Alto.

Gore said he’ll donate 100 percent of his salary as a Kleiner Perkins partner to the advocacy group, which focuses on accelerating policy solutions to the climate crisis. He would not disclose the amount.

“It’s one of the benefits of not being in the public sector anymore,” he said in an interview.

Also Monday, Kleiner Perkins partner John Doerr announced he’s joining the advisory board of Generation Investment Management, the $1 billion investment firm that Gore founded with David Blood, who previously managed $325 billion in assets out of Goldman Sachs’ London office. Doerr is one of Silicon Valley’s most outspoken clean-tech advocates.

Clean technology encompasses alternative fuels, water purification, renewable energy and recycling programs and other eco-friendly initiatives, as well as products ranging from electric cars to microbes that search for oil in seemingly tapped-out wells.

North American and European venture capitalists invested $1.9 billion in clean-tech companies in the first half of 2007, a 10 percent increase from the first half 2006, according to Ann Arbor, Mich.-based trade group Cleantech Network.

Last year, Menlo Park-based Kleiner Perkins earmarked $100 million of its $600 million investment fund to startups that work on reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The firm expects to dedicate one-third of new funding to clean tech by 2009.

In 2005, Kleiner Perkins named former Secretary of State Colin Powell a “strategic limited partner,” but the moderate Republican hasn’t played a prominent role in the firm’s affairs.

For years, Gore, 59, has been good friends with Doerr, a former Intel Corp. salesman who became a billionaire thanks to early investments in startups such as Netscape Communications, Amazon.com Inc. and Google.

They palled around together so much in the 1990s that fellow venture capitalist and former InfoWorld editor Stewart Alsop II created spoof political buttons that said “Gore and Doerr in 2004.”
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