The BCE - Meet The Players Pt. I

[Nickdfresh]

The Bush admin actually being competent enough to pull off the "inside job false flag operation" is just a hoot!

[Guitar Shark]

So many conspiracies, so little time...

[knuckleboner]

that's just the thing; i've NEVER believed any of the saddam-9/11 links. not even close. i was against the iraq war from the beginning.

and my positions have absolutely nothing to do with not wanting to believe that our government could've been involved. look, whether or not our government was involved is irrelevant to many of the 9/11 issues.

IF a missile hit the pentagon, then yes, near certainty that the government was involved. however, if a plane hit the pentagon, it doesn't mean the government wasn't involved. they could've still remote controlled the plane, or brainwashed the hijackers, or have been giving orders to osama and told him to find martyrs and fool them into thinking they were attacking the WTC for islam.

so my opinion on it being a plane that hit the pentagon has nothing to do with trust in government. it's about the other things; eyewitneses, expert analysis of what plane damage would look like, and the sheer leap of logic to believe the government would take a horribly complicated route of faking a plane hijack and crash and firing a missile, when they could've just hijacked a plane.

to me, that insane leap of logic is not countered by the fact that some gas station video footage is missing.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
so yes, while i have a lot of evidence to indicate with near certainty, it is definitely not 100%, therefore i believe.

i believe the official story on flight 93; passenger revolt caused the hijackers to get spooked and intentionally crash the plane before hitting its intended target.

You have been spoon fed "a lot of evidence" by the same liars that said Saddam was involved in the 911 attacks and possessed massive stock piles of WMD.

The notion of a false flag operation is simply too terrifying for many who choose to suckle from the administration's "official story" instead.

Got flight 93 crash site?

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
Considering your earlier comments, shouldn't this read:

"I believe a passenger plane hit the pentagon."

"I believe that most engineers/physicists, etc., worldwide, have agreed..."

?

Or are all theories but yours considered "conspiracies"?

Are you still stroking your conspiracy stick to Popular Mechanics?

heh heh. ok, fair point.

to be 100% accurate, you're right, i should've said i strongly believe a passenger plane hit the pentagon. i was not on the plane; i was not in the pentagon, i was not personally watching the event. so yes, while i have a lot of evidence to indicate with near certainty, it is definitely not 100%, therefore i believe.



and no, all theories (including mine) are just that; theories. it is the amount and quality of evidence in support or opposition to those theories that matters. and from everything i've seen, the conspiracy theories are fairly easily disproved.

however, i don't assign an equal faith in every component of the "official" story. i'm as certain as i can be without having witnessed it directly, myself, that a passenger plane hit the pentagon. damn near 100%.

i believe the official story on flight 93; passenger revolt caused the hijackers to get spooked and intentionally crash the plane before hitting its intended target. how sure am i? defintely not as sure as the pentagon plane.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
He held the job from 1993 until June 2000.

Correct. That same company is contracted to provide security for United Airlines, Dulles International Airport, and the World Trade Center. All of which were directly involved with the 911 attacks.

Bonus question: What is the name of the investment firm that funds Marvin's former employers?

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
but a passenger plane hit the pentagon, regardless.

Considering your earlier comments, shouldn't this read:

"I believe a passenger plane hit the pentagon."

"I believe that most engineers/physicists, etc., worldwide, have agreed..."

?

Or are all theories but yours considered "conspiracies"?

Are you still stroking your conspiracy stick to Popular Mechanics?

[DrMaddVibe]

He held the job from 1993 until June 2000.

Oh, I forgot we're supposed to believe that this was an inside job and that people can't make money or change jobs.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Funny you should mention that....

OBL isn't even on the FBI Top 10 for 9/11

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

They say they have no evidence he was involved.


This administration has been awfully lax about finding culprits to terrorism.

Anthrax anybody?

yeah, i know about osama and the FBI's top 10. so? either he was involved or he wasn't. but a passenger plane hit the pentagon, regardless.


but as for your original article; again, i fail to see the point. saying that there's a connection to george w. bush does NOT mean that there's clear evidence that it was an inside job. so bush's brother probably got a high-profile job, at least in part, because his brother was president. nepotism happens all the time.

now, some people will use that to make the completely unsubstantiated leap that it means that the bush administration had an easy ability to plant explosive charges in the building.

now, this ignores the fact that most engineers/physicists, etc., worldwide, have agreed that the physics are there for a building collapse, not a demolition.


now, if you want to argue that the security firm should've ushered everybody out of both buildings after the first hit, then i might agree that there was a failure there. (and it's NOT hard to believe that a bush (george/neal, etc.) could fail...) but otherwise, i fail to see how there's a big deal on who was in charge of the building security.

[Satan]

Originally posted by scamper
Kind of like they did after Katrina, but you bought into that.

The official death toll from Katrina was never released, nor will it be. Because in all likelihood, it would exceed that of 9-11-01.

Which means that, even if you buy the "official" story of 9-11-01, Bush still killed more Americans than Osama.

Not even counting Iraq.

And as the CEO of Hell, where some of those people ended up, I can promise you that what I just said is closer to the reality than what they have told you.

[scamper]

Originally posted by FORD
complete with media whores babbling on screen about "possible death tolls as high as 50,000"

Kind of like they did after Katrina, but you bought into that.

[LoungeMachine]

But we seem to have strayed off topic again......

Why am I the only one here suspicious about the fact the pResiden't fucking brother held government contracts EXACTLY where we were hit?

Jesus

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
. but it completely defies logic to argue that a plane did not hit the pentagon.

I notice you didnt say a Boeing 747

:D

Something hit the pentagon. That much we're certain of.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by knuckleboner


that it's an ongoing investigation and they want to keep it secret.

Funny you should mention that....

OBL isn't even on the FBI Top 10 for 9/11

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

They say they have no evidence he was involved.


This administration has been awfully lax about finding culprits to terrorism.

Anthrax anybody?

[knuckleboner]

look, i totally understand questioning this administration and/or the official story. they have clearly been extraordinarily secretive or closed about a number of things, especially things like the lawyer firings, that they could've just as easily come clean about.

but that doesn't mean that i'm jumping to the most illogicial conclusion because they didn't release the video. i assume, first of all, that there's some other reason. that it's an ongoing investigation and they want to keep it secret. or that the video shows something about the security of the pentagon that they didn't want to release. or that it shows dick armey going vito spatafore on some dude in a parking lot. or something. whether worthwhile to keep secret or worthless, i make no judgment; especially with the bush administration. it could easily be worthless. but it doesn't lead me to ignore the logistical near impossibility of faking a plane crash.


forget the crash site. american airlines had a finite number of planes on 9/10 and a finite number of planes on 9/12. am i to assume that their inventory stayed the same (because it wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon) and nobody ever looked at that? or that they claimed to have only 102 planes now, despite the fact that they clearly still had 103? or that they somehow secretively disposed of a plane to get the number down to 102?

and there are lists printed of the "victims" of american airlines flight 77. are all the names made up, and nobody checked? are the names real and the people moved to/killed in a secure location?


etc. etc. etc. again, i make no claims that the bush adminstration has been forthcoming with all of the details, evidence they had, etc. and while i disagree with the notion that they were either behind or complicit in the attacks, i'll at least entertain arguments about that. but it completely defies logic to argue that a plane did not hit the pentagon.