John "caterpillar face" Bolton says "Nuke Chicago" and the crowd CHEERS!!

[standin]

Nitro,
You said a lot there. You are right the FLDS ways were given up by the LDS in exchange for Statehood. They do have a history of "negotiation” As I said before, organization in itself is not inherently evil. Mormonism as a culture has some incredible, beneficial, and noble qualities. You, me or anybody do not "go after the whole group" It is the corrupt lawbreakers that are corrupt and lawbreakers. Moreover, the same as the FLDS, they have to make the decision to use the tools God has provided. Those tools are the justice system, as flawed as it is. There are major flaws and huge obstacles to over come, but there is no obstacle in existence that with God's will that remains an obstacle (5:30).

Mormons and Muslims have very much in common by way of values. The Mormon issue of the “Cain stain,” well, that is a big issue, but, God willing, we will understand, why the path was set to falter long before the “Cain stain.” We were not given the knowledge of the “markings” of the first peoples. The mark of Cain could be any one of the variations of human beings. Nevertheless, we know Cain’s soul; he is of the lost and chooses to embrace Cardinal Sins. (Cain's) soul prompted him to kill his own brother. In doing so, he became of those who lose.

Accept we are all at the mercy of another and another is at our mercy. Moreover, we are not simply in a 2-D environment. The combinations of all our actions from family to global create the whole of us. Your experience is part of the experience.

The two party system does create an environment of black or white, yes or no, this way or that way. Separation from such rigid mentality takes an ability to judge, to be judge and to accept minutely. An acceptance that many different aspects create the world, our world. The two party system is a way to divide, but can be a yin yang if given the means by the parts.

[sadaist]

blind to reality and lives in a simple black and white world.

God dammit Nitro! Quit bringing race into everything.

[Guitar Shark]

I dunno. Are you one of those pot-bellied, unemployable trailer trash fuckwits who has been on at least three episodes of "Cops" wearing nothing but your shit stained boxers and one flip-flop?

The "one flip-flop" killed me; I don't really know why.

[Nickdfresh]

I dunno. Are you one of those pot-bellied, unemployable trailer trash fuckwits who has been on at least three episodes of "Cops" wearing nothing but your shit stained boxers and one flip-flop?

Delightful little ownings like this are the reason why I haven't banned GtARd from this forum, yet...

But his day is coming, much like the Mexican immigrants about to steal his jobz...

[bueno bob]

People have been trying to destroy organized religion for thousands of years. This is what holy wars are about.

Various sects have been fighting over which religion/mindset is RIGHT for as long as the stars remember, but there hasn't ever been a collective, unified war to stamp out all forms of organized religion. Every effort to quash a particular regions religion has had the undertone of simply promoting another one at it's base drive. There's a distinct pattern of mandate replacement driving wars. It's just replacement at the end of any campaign.

Even if atheists went to war against Christians that would just be another holy war.

To an extent, because the religious would qualify it as such; more militant atheists might embrace the tag simply to piss off fundamentalists all the more, but the extreme militant atheists are, much like extreme militant religious nuts, fringe groups and not the majority of those represented by their individual labels.

Of course, it's the extremist fringe thinkers that are the problem in any group of people, secular or non, because they see things in absolutes. Religion aside, absolutes are the overall problem, but the non-religious militant can be re-directed into more positive/quiet roles in society than what a religious militant can; to the religious militant, a quiet role in society runs contrary to his grain. He is ordered to bring others under his umbrella, to lead the sheep home; to the atheist, once he has nobody left to convince otherwise, well...lack of a goal is its own demonstration.

All I can say is good luck.

With the decline of organized religion among people all over the world over the last fifty years, as noticed by the huge upswing of more and more people calling themselves "spiritualists" rather than adhering to a church-imposed definition and/or belief structure, one could argue that luck isn't really much needed anymore. By the numbers, as the availability of information spreads and the world becomes by it a smaller place, people become less and less isolated and exposed to science, history and provable archeology which dismisses "best guesses" of old with accuracy.

Regionally, after a time, every branch of people defiles their God and their faith - it's tradition and historically visible over the years. The Greek Gods fell...the Roman Gods fell...Valhalla fell, Asgard fell, Mt. Olympus toppled, etc etc...you can see the pattern play out over and over, and the precursor to this is the fall of a particular region and the exposure to "the new".

We have a version of that happening now - the world is a much smaller place than it used to be. Rome is burning and the Gods, once again, aren't saving us. But when it becomes demonstrable that there are no new Gods left other than technology and science, who will humanity turn to then?

If there's any religion of any actual merit left in the world at all in 100 years, I'd be amazed, honestly. Dogma always runs its course and humanity always moves on from it with scientific advancement.

I guarantee you this - once mankind leaves this planet behind and explodes out into the universe (provided we manage to do that before we destroy ourselves - thank the dark ages for us not having done it already), the only gods left will be the us because we will have exceeded every expectation and no elite few with a book and pretty words will ever completely dupe the human village again.