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  • letsrock
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    • Mar 2007
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    Commentary: Stimulus is too low, too slow

    Commentary: Stimulus is too low, too slow - CNN.com

    PRINCETON, New Jersey (CNN) -- Vice President Joseph Biden has acknowledged that the $787 billion economic stimulus program has not yet had the impact that the White House was looking for.

    "We misread how bad the economy was," Biden said during an interview.

    But Biden's account downplays the damaging compromises that the administration made on the stimulus package back in February, as well as the problems that have emerged in implementing the program.

    Back in January and February, when the administration and Congress completed their work on the economic stimulus bill, several Democrats and liberal pundits warned that President Barack Obama's stimulus was not going to be enough to revitalize the economy.

    While Republicans argued that Congress should do nothing other than cut taxes, Obama's Democratic critics said that another bad scenario was to pass an expensive and highly visible measure that would not actually accomplish the job. This would become a recipe for political attacks down the road, evidence that government can't help achieve economic stability and that President Obama's judgment on policy was suspect.

    And there is some early evidence that this scenario is now playing out. According to the most recent Gallup Poll, many of the cherished independent voters in swing states who had shifted toward the Democrats in the 2006 and 2008 elections are now unhappy with the president's policies.

    While President Obama's approval ratings remain at the high level of 56 percent, according to Gallup, these independents are concerned that the president's programs are resulting in too much government spending without achieving clear results.

    With two million jobs having been lost since Obama started his presidency, it is difficult for many Americans to react well when Director of the White House National Economic Council Lawrence Summers says, "the stimulus is on track...."

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    The early criticism is now worth revisiting. When Congress agreed to the final stimulus in February 2009, liberal critics offered two major complaints. The first was that the level of spending in the bill was too low given the dire state of the economy.

    "I'm not sure if the $800 billion stimulus plan is adequate to the problem," said Nobel Prize- winning Princeton economist Paul Krugman at Willamette University in January before the final deal had been reached. "We're facing one hell of a crisis and we'll need more than a Band-Aid . . . My guess is that the administration will be back later this year for a second round."

    After initially complaining that the stimulus was too small, liberals were then furious when Obama agreed to cuts in the size of the stimulus in response to a small group of Senate centrists.

    The second criticism had to do with where the money was directed. The liberal critics argued that the final stimulus bill focused too much on infrastructure programs and tax cuts, with not enough assistance being provided to state and local governments. Cuts in the legislative process eliminated funding for states to help with food stamps, school construction and more.

    Finally, there is a problem with the stimulus that did not really become clear until after the bill passed. The implementation has been flawed. Currently, only a small percentage of the stimulus funds has been spent. While countries such as France have immediately made use of their stimulus money, the United States has gone slower.

    Rightly concerned about the potential misuse of funds, the administration has moved too far in the direction of delaying the distribution of funds. The government's grinding bureaucratic process has also slowed down progress. And the U.S. relies heavily on third parties rather than directly spending the money.

    The stimulus is experiencing problems similar to those of President Franklin Roosevelt's Public Works Administration. In 1933, the PWA was slowed down by administrator Harold Ickes due to concerns about corruption and inefficient projects. Ickes, who believed that PWA faced the "unattainable ideal of administering the greatest fund for construction in the history of the world without scandal," centralized decision-making and insisted on approving virtually every decision personally.

    While many of his worries had merit, the White House was unhappy that needed dollars were not getting out the door and into the hands of workers. Roosevelt was fortunate because he could rely on Harry Hopkins and the Federal Emergency Relief Agency, which spent money as quickly as possible. Eventually, despite its problems, the PWA created a lot of jobs and accelerated the development of the South and the West.

    As the unemployment rate continues to rise and the stock market swings up and down, it is difficult for many Americans to understand the purpose of allocating so much money but then not spending it as soon as possible. The worse that economic conditions become, the harder it is for existing levels of funding to have their desired impact.

    Seeing results is important politically if the White House needs to ask for more money to jump-start the economy. The stimulus has become a litmus test through which to evaluate the president and this problem compounds the challenge of passing health care and other measures sought by Obama.

    The best strategy for Obama is not to react as Biden and Summers did. Rather, the best strategy is to fix this. With all the doom and gloom about the president, he still enjoys strong standing with the public, and Democrats remain in a good political position.

    It is worth remembering that many of FDR's earliest programs, such as the National Recovery Administration, did not succeed, and others, such as the PWA, experienced some problems during the implementation phase. But in the end, FDR's New Deal is widely considered by most historians to have been a tremendous success

    While the economy was not fully revived until World War II, the New Deal provided relief. It significantly and steadily brought down levels of unemployment starting during FDR's first term. The jobless rate dropped from a high of nearly 25 percent in 1932 to just above 9 percent in 1937.

    Even if, as some conservatives insist, you somehow consider people who were working in New Deal public works jobs to be jobless -- a dubious claim -- the unemployment rate fell by more than 10 percentage points during this period. The only rise in unemployment occurred in 1937-1938, and that was precipitated by FDR's reducing levels of public spending.

    Today, the Obama administration cannot afford to stand still on the stimulus. The time has come to correct what's gone wrong with the existing program by speeding up spending and to consider the possibility of making a politically difficult request for more.
  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49386

    #2
    Originally posted by letsrock
    Commentary: Stimulus is too low, too slow - CNN.com

    PRINCETON, New Jersey (CNN) -- Vice President Joseph Biden has acknowledged that the $787 billion economic stimulus program has not yet had the impact that the White House was looking for.

    ...
    Of course, only a fraction of it has been spent yet. so why would it?

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    • Big Train
      Full Member Status

      • Apr 2004
      • 4013

      #3
      No time like the present...Of the money that has been spent, it has failed to move the needle at all. Not even a fraction of a percent.

      Maybe we can just avert it at this point, cut our losses and cancel the stimulus.

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      • Hardrock69
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Feb 2005
        • 21889

        #4
        Too many idiots are whining that it has not done any good, no jobs were created, blah blah.

        Bullshit!

        Within a month of the package being passed with signatures, etc. a major highway project got underway on the west side of Gnashville. Previously it was unsure when the State of Tennessee would come up with fundage.

        That package created a buttload of jobs right off the bat.

        Not only that, how long did it take for the global economy to get as bad as it has? A few days? A week? 2 weeks?

        All these fucking idiots seem to think that as soon as the ink is dry on the spending bill all our woes will be cured. This is the most assinine attitude imaginable, but what can one expect from fucktards who cannot come up with a plan of their own, much less one that is better than what has been passed.

        It is going to take YEARS before we recover.

        All the Retardlicans need to save their hot air for their upcoming election campaigns, when they will desperately attempt to demonstrate to their constituency that they are relevant to the PRESENT, instead of demonstrating once again they are hopelessly mired in the 1950s with no desire or ability to move forward in their thinking past 1959.

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        • hideyoursheep
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2007
          • 6351

          #5
          Ah, the culture of instant gratification...

          If it doesn't happen immediately, it's not soon enough.

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          • Big Train
            Full Member Status

            • Apr 2004
            • 4013

            #6
            It's not really about instant gratification, but it is a fucking stimulus no? A tax rollback would have had a much greater effect in the short term.

            Secondly, a construction project, while it provides jobs over the medium term (i.e. until the work is complete), it is not a new or a growth industry that will provide sustainable long term jobs. While I do agree with the concept of a "Green industry", I believe the money went to things that were not the best choices for it (i.e. wind farms vs. other alternative energy forms) for industrial growth.

            Hardrock, that construction project that created "buttloads of job right off the bat", I'd love to see what the actual numbers are for the city/town that it is taking place in. They should be seeing spikes or at least leveling off of spending levels and sales tax in the area within 90 days. I'd love to see those numbers.

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49386

              #7
              Originally posted by Big Train
              It's not really about instant gratification, but it is a fucking stimulus no? A tax rollback would have had a much greater effect in the short term.

              ...

              No. No it wouldn't. "Rolling taxes back" is one of the least effective, most time consuming methods of stimulating anything. In fact, extending unemployment benefits and increasing other benefits for veterans, seniors, etc. is a much more effective, targeted way of increasing consumer spending and infusing money back into the economy...

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              • Big Train
                Full Member Status

                • Apr 2004
                • 4013

                #8
                Yea I guess your right Nick. I should have kept that extra worker (who's deductions were paying into the system, and who's expenses were fueling the local economy), even though that person's salary was equal to my tax bill. Giving more benefits to someone who is not actively paying into the system currently is much better math.

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                • hideyoursheep
                  ROTH ARMY ELITE
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 6351

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Big Train
                  Yea I guess your right Nick. I should have kept that extra worker (who's deductions were paying into the system, and who's expenses were fueling the local economy), even though that person's salary was equal to my tax bill. Giving more benefits to someone who is not actively paying into the system currently is much better math.
                  Eh, you did the right thing.

                  You can't make a ho a housewife, no matter how much you pay em.

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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    #10
                    Nick makes it up as he goes along...

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                    • sadaist
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 11625

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Hardrock69

                      All these fucking idiots seem to think that as soon as the ink is dry on the spending bill all our woes will be cured. This is the most assinine attitude imaginable, but what can one expect from fucktards who cannot come up with a plan of their own, much less one that is better than what has been passed.

                      It is going to take YEARS before we recover.
                      Want to know why we think that? Because we were told that. By Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, the whole crooked lying bunch of them. Remember when congress didn't have time to read it? It had to pass immediately to save the country?

                      The sure were quick at getting it signed. Why is that? Maybe because had everyone had a chance to digest what the stimulus really was it wouldn't have come close to passing. Even when it was passed more than half of all Americans were against it.

                      Sometimes you have to think a bit further than the typical Bush's fault, repukes, republitards, cuntservatives shtick.

                      Barack Obama is not King Midas.



                      Originally posted by Hardrock69
                      That package created a buttload of jobs right off the bat.

                      [B]

                      While simultaneously 100 buttloads of jobs were lost. If the stimulus has created so many jobs, why has unemployment continued to rise...a lot? Shouldn't it have at the very least stabilized and held steady? (even though we were promised declining unemployment) The San Diego UT newspaper is just now running a story about how some of the money is on it's way and lists 5 or 6 things that will be done with it. Half of which are crap...the other half could be argued as crap.

                      $5 million to install new energy-efficient signs? So how many years until those new signs save the city $5 million on their electricity bill?

                      $2.6 million to conduct research about social phobias? I have a phobia about government spending getting out of control. Government spending to study that just exacerbates it.

                      Millions in stimulus funding headed to region
                      “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49386

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ELVIS
                        Nick makes it up as he goes along...
                        Actually, it's based on statements by economists, Dr. Elvis PhD...

                        BTW, if mindlessly cutting taxes works so well and always seems to be the mantra-answer, how come we're fucked years after Bush's tax cuts (in the time of War)?
                        Last edited by Nickdfresh; 07-16-2009, 07:44 AM.

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                        • Big Train
                          Full Member Status

                          • Apr 2004
                          • 4013

                          #13
                          Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                          Eh, you did the right thing.

                          You can't make a ho a housewife, no matter how much you pay em.
                          I should have known. At least you guys will get more quality time together during her unemployment, so that's a plus.

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                          • Big Train
                            Full Member Status

                            • Apr 2004
                            • 4013

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            Actually, it's based on statements by economists, Dr. Elvis PhD...

                            BTW, if mindlessly cutting taxes works so well and always seems to be the mantra-answer, how come we're fucked years after Bush's tax cuts (in the time of War)?
                            Because Bush spent way to much, which we have debated endlessly here.

                            The "mindless tax cuts" in and of themselves are fundamentally sound.

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                            • letsrock
                              Veteran
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 1595

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Big Train
                              I should have known. At least you guys will get more quality time together during her unemployment, so that's a plus.
                              It should be easy to turn a housewife into a ho.

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