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  • chefcraig
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Apr 2004
    • 12172

    #16
    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    Really?

    Where is your data to back this up?

    Lounge, not for a moment would I hazard to speak for Big Train here, yet I can offer the benefit of my own experience in the matter.

    Leading up to the 2004 election, I was part of a loose-knit group of folks that found themselves thinking in like manner about the state of the government. This ersatz think-tank was also a terrific reason to throw parties and BBQs on the weekends. Of the 35-40 of us involved in this activity, upon speaking with these folks I discovered that by and large, at least two thirds of the assembled got the "facts" informing their opinions from blogs, Jon Stewart's Daily Show and Michael Moore films. Personally, I found this to be appalling, yet not surprising.

    People first received their info from a town crier, then newspapers and ultimately television, all of which were manipulated to one extent or another to convey a certain point of view. The arrival of the internet has done little, if anything to change these personal news gathering habits on the part of people interested enough in doing so. I was astounded to be at these functions mentioned above and hear people parroting what had been said in a film or tv show only the evening before. When I'd mention actual facts that I'd discovered not at a hastily written blog but at various government and watchdog-like websites (that many times contradicted what these folks were repeating), the look of disbelieving shock upon their faces was highly evident.

    I do not fault people for how they go about getting their info, as it is to their credit that they make such an effort in the first place. I only wish that they would not settle for convenience, and would take the effort to dig a little bit deeper every so often.
    Last edited by chefcraig; 08-25-2009, 04:51 PM.









    “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
    ― Stephen Hawking

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    • Big Train
      Full Member Status

      • Apr 2004
      • 4013

      #17
      Well said Craig, as that has been my experience as well.

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      • LoungeMachine
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 32576

        #18
        Anecdotes = facts?

        Who knew?

        Originally posted by Kristy
        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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        • chefcraig
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Apr 2004
          • 12172

          #19
          Originally posted by LoungeMachine
          Anecdotes = facts?

          Who knew?

          Reread your post. You did not ask for facts, you requested data. Be more specific next time. :tongue0011:

          Seriously, it is doubtful an opinion regarding the servitude of Michael Moore fans can be supported by any factual statistics, let alone mere scrutiny. The idea that these people are advocates of his work is in no way a barometer for their political activism. It's like saying fans of classic Van Halen are necessarily astute observers of the precepts of beat music, which by casual observance of some of the mouth breathing idiots around here, we both know to be false.

          What we are dealing with in both cases is an assumption based upon common experience. Is it necessarily valid? Yes and no. As an assumption about the casual, navel-gazing proclivities of the average American's dedication to truth gathering, it works out OK. As a clearly defined, well arranged argument about the flaws of the same, then quite obviously no.
          Last edited by chefcraig; 08-26-2009, 08:29 AM.









          “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
          ― Stephen Hawking

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          • sadaist
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jul 2004
            • 11625

            #20
            Originally posted by LoungeMachine


            But because you dont like the messenger, you'll ignore the message.

            That makes sense.



            I think it would be more accurate to say that because the message only contains half truths and is heavily biased, it makes one not like the messenger.
            “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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            • sadaist
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jul 2004
              • 11625

              #21
              I wonder how much better off the country would be if we elected accountants to Congress instead of attorneys.
              “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49391

                #22
                Originally posted by Jar Jar
                Meesa longo time fan and humble servant of Michael! He speak da truth yousa knowsa! Heesa stand for whats right, he make enemies berry berry scared! Ah mooie mooie!

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                • chefcraig
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 12172

                  #23
                  Originally posted by sadaist
                  I wonder how much better off the country would be if we elected accountants to Congress instead of attorneys.
                  Or at least hired people named Josh and Toby.










                  “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                  ― Stephen Hawking

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                  • Big Train
                    Full Member Status

                    • Apr 2004
                    • 4013

                    #24
                    Stossel straightening out Moore's last movie for him:

                    YouTube - John Stossel - Sick in America - Part 4 (of 6)

                    YouTube - John Stossel questions Michael Moore on Cuban Health Care

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                    • bueno bob
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 22951

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Jar Jar
                      Meesa longo time fan and humble servant of Michael! He speak da truth yousa knowsa! Heesa stand for whats right, he make enemies berry berry scared! Ah mooie mooie!
                      So how many Star Wars aliases you going to go through, Gar?
                      Last edited by bueno bob; 08-27-2009, 12:16 AM.
                      Twistin' by the pool.

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                      • kwame k
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 11302

                        #26
                        The library just got in the last three installments of Star Wars, so I am thinking many aliases.
                        Originally posted by vandeleur
                        E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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