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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35256

    Collateral Murder

    Video Shows 2007 Air Attack in Baghdad That Killed Photographer - NYTimes.com


    WASHINGTON — The Web site WikiLeaks.org released a graphic video on Monday showing an American helicopter shooting and killing a Reuters photographer and driver in a July 2007 attack in Baghdad.
    A senior American military official confirmed that the video was authentic.

    Reuters had long pressed for the release of the video, which consists of 38 minutes of black-and-white aerial video and conversations between pilots in two Apache helicopters as they open fire on people on a street in Baghdad. The attack killed 12, among them the Reuters photographer, Namir Noor-Eldeen, 22, and the driver, Saeed Chmagh, 40.

    At a news conference at the National Press Club, WikiLeaks said it had acquired the video from whistle-blowers in the military and viewed it after breaking the encryption code. WikiLeaks edited the video to 17 minutes.

    David Schlesinger, the editor in chief of Reuters news, said in a statement that the video was “graphic evidence of the dangers involved in war journalism and the tragedies that can result.”

    On the day of the attack, United States military officials said that the helicopters had been called in to help American troops who had been exposed to small-arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades in a raid. “There is no question that coalition forces were clearly engaged in combat operations against a hostile force,” Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl, a spokesman for the multinational forces in Baghdad, said then.

    But the video does not show hostile action. Instead, it begins with a group of people milling around on a street, among them, according to WikiLeaks, Mr. Noor-Eldeen and Mr. Chmagh. The pilots believe them to be insurgents, and mistake Mr. Noor-Eldeen’s camera for a weapon. They aim and fire at the group, then revel in their kills.

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    “Look at those dead bastards,” one pilot says. “Nice,” the other responds.

    A wounded man can be seen crawling and the pilots impatiently hope that he will try to fire at them so that under the rules of engagement they can shoot him again. “All you gotta do is pick up a weapon,” one pilot says.

    A short time later a van arrives to pick up the wounded and the pilots open fire on it, wounding two children inside. “Well, it’s their fault for bringing their kids into a battle,” one pilot says.

    At another point, an American armored vehicle arrives and appears to roll over one of the dead. “I think they just drove over a body,” one of the pilots says, chuckling a little.

    Reuters said at the time that the two men had been working on a report about weightlifting when they heard about a military raid in the neighborhood, and decided to drive there to check it out.

    “There had been reports of clashes between U.S. forces and insurgents in the area but there was no fighting on the streets in which Namir was moving about with a group of men,” Reuters wrote in 2008. “It is believed two or three of these men may have been carrying weapons, although witnesses said none were assuming a hostile posture at the time.”

    The American military in Baghdad investigated the episode and concluded that the forces involved had no reason to know that there were Reuters employees in the group. No disciplinary action was taken.

    Late Monday, the United States Central Command, which oversees the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, released the redacted report on the case, which provided some more detail.

    The report showed pictures of what it said were machine guns and grenades found near the bodies of those killed. It also stated that the Reuters employees “made no effort to visibly display their status as press or media representatives and their familiar behavior with, and close proximity to, the armed insurgents and their furtive attempts to photograph the coalition ground forces made them appear as hostile combatants to the Apaches that engaged them.”

    Brian Stelter contributed reporting from New York.
  • Jesus Christ
    Veteran
    • Jan 2004
    • 2429

    #2
    (Jesus wept.)

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    • Baby's On Fire
      Veteran
      • May 2004
      • 1747

      #3
      This was pre-meditated murder, plain and simple.

      Even the TV viewer can see these people weren't carrying AK-47s.....and the special forces hovering overhead can't see even better than the TV viewer?

      And I suppose the children were just really short insurgents?

      These killers should be put against a wall and executed.

      And don't tell me the "fog of war" bullshit......

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49245

        #4
        Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
        This was pre-meditated murder, plain and simple.
        ......
        Not premeditated, more like a crime of passion. But pretty fucking nauseating nonetheless...

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        • Baby's On Fire
          Veteran
          • May 2004
          • 1747

          #5
          The killers were calmly observing, and waiting for the victims to provoke them...such as pick up a weapon.

          This wasn't a crime of passion...it was calmly premeditated murder.

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49245

            #6
            Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
            The killers were calmly observing, and waiting for the victims to provoke them...such as pick up a weapon.

            This wasn't a crime of passion...it was calmly premeditated murder.
            Oh please, tell me the difference between a camera and a Milan anti-tank missile at several hundred meters visual range.

            But I'm not apologizing, I agree that U.S. forces here lacked professionalism and a military bearing (restraint)...

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            • Baby's On Fire
              Veteran
              • May 2004
              • 1747

              #7
              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
              Oh please, tell me the difference between a camera and a Milan anti-tank missile at several hundred meters visual range.

              But I'm not apologizing, I agree that U.S. forces here lacked professionalism and a military bearing (restraint)...
              Several hundred meters visual range? Fucking bullshit....Try about 20 metres viewing range. Did you see the footage?

              The TV viewer can clearly see thay don't have AK-47s..........Gimme a fucking break.

              And as the TV pundits from the intelligence community explained so well...if they were insurgents, they should have captured them...especially after they were lying dying on the ground...

              Stop making bullshit excuses...these soliders are murderers......They just wanted to kill....regardless.

              And of course the children were clearly not carrying weapons.....Notwithstanding the fact they were clearly children.....

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              • LoungeMachine
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jul 2004
                • 32576

                #8
                Gee, guess who is drunk and posting again.......




                Pass the OJ!!!!
                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                • Unchainme
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 7746

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                  Gee, guess who is drunk and posting again.......




                  Pass the OJ!!!!
                  anyone got their flux capacitor ready?
                  Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49245

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
                    Several hundred meters visual range? Fucking bullshit....Try about 20 metres viewing range. Did you see the footage?
                    Um, so the choppers were 20m away, oh son of Canada?

                    The TV viewer can clearly see thay don't have AK-47s..........Gimme a fucking break.
                    I don't recall arguing that anyone did have AK47s...

                    And as the TV pundits from the intelligence community explained so well...if they were insurgents, they should have captured them...especially after they were lying dying on the ground...
                    "Pundits from the intelligence community?" Oh, okay...

                    Stop making bullshit excuses...these soliders are murderers......They just wanted to kill....regardless.
                    Oh course, that what soldiers do. They are trained to kill copiously throughout their training. But you're trying to make this some black-and-white exercise in massacres...

                    And of course the children were clearly not carrying weapons.....Notwithstanding the fact they were clearly children.....
                    Of course the children were clearly children at several hundred meters via IR cam. And no one had concealed weapons and all that shit you're trying to make some easy, cut-and-dry decision --which never exists in war...

                    You're just another fucking troll tosser. so why do I bother?

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                    • Anonymous
                      Banned
                      • May 2004
                      • 12749

                      #11
                      Easy there, Lounge.

                      Let him post something stupid first. It won't take long.

                      Hey Tard on Fire. How's tricks?

                      Cheers! :bottle:

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                      • Blackflag
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 3406

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                        a crime of passion.

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                        • LoungeMachine
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 32576

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Blackflag
                          Nice editting out of context, you fucking cunt.

                          Originally posted by Kristy
                          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                          Originally posted by cadaverdog
                          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                          • Blackflag
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 3406

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            Not premeditated, more like a crime of passion.

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                            • Baby's On Fire
                              Veteran
                              • May 2004
                              • 1747

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              Um, so the choppers were 20m away, oh son of Canada?



                              I don't recall arguing that anyone did have AK47s...



                              "Pundits from the intelligence community?" Oh, okay...



                              Oh course, that what soldiers do. They are trained to kill copiously throughout their training. But you're trying to make this some black-and-white exercise in massacres...



                              Of course the children were clearly children at several hundred meters via IR cam. And no one had concealed weapons and all that shit you're trying to make some easy, cut-and-dry decision --which never exists in war...

                              You're just another fucking troll tosser. so why do I bother?

                              No...their zoom range was down to metres....idiot.

                              Did you watch the fucking footage?

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