Ubama fights for more debt and loses again

[jacksmar]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/01/debt.ceiling/index.html

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama is scheduled to resume deficit-reduction talks with congressional Republicans Wednesday -- one day after the GOP-controlled House of Representatives overwhelmingly rejected a measure to raise the national debt ceiling without any accompanying deficit or spending reduction provisions.

The House voted 318-97 against the bill, which would have raised the federal government's debt limit by approximately $2.4 trillion. Republicans voted against it unanimously.


What really came through the process is Ubama's great leadership. 7 Dimrats voted present.

[Nitro Express]

Obama is an incompetent fraud. When he went to sign the guest book at Westminister Abby he had to ask what date it was. Most executives and presidents know what day it is if they are managing an organization let alone a country. Then the fool writes down the date he was told and put 2008 instead of 2011. The president doesn't even know what year it is.

Also, when he was first elected he was rude to the British. He returned a gift bust of Winston Churchill. He gave the Queen tacky gifts. I thought this narcissist hated the British and the Queen due to Kenya once being part of the common wealth and he had bitter feelings because of that for some reason. Now he's kissing the Brits ass even though he was not invited to the royal wedding.

When Obama first came in many labeled him a socialist, a marxist, a guy with an agenda. I think the real agenda is to feed his huge ego and be the center of attention. The guy is totally incompetent and all he cares about is being the man in power. He could care less about the American people. I get the drift he loathes us. Also if this joker doesn't get what he wants from the Congress he just does it anyways regardless of what the law of the land states.

Obama is a loose cannon and with the power he's abusing, not only can he destroy the country economically but he could set off another world war. The scary thing is he wouldn't care as long as he's in the spot light getting attention whether that's good or bad. We elected a guy with a two year old's brain for president.

I think we will soon see the angry Obama. Early on in his presidentcy he was the big celebrity with a congress willing to do his bidding. He had absolute power with nobody in his way. Now he doesn't have congress and his popularity with the people is going downhill fast. His rude and pompus behavior has alienated him with other foreign leaders. Obama is going to find himself more and more isolated and more and more hated. This is when the man will show his ugly side. I think this president is very dangerous because I question his mental stability.

[ThrillsNSpills]

hello, he uses a teleprompter.

he eats stale cheerios

please stick to the real issues

[Nitro Express]

hello, he uses a teleprompter.

he eats stale cheerios

please stick to the real issues

He's also a narcissist who is no longer bound by constitutional law thank's to the Bush Administration making legal loopholes around it. Obama is a dictator. That's why the congress better get damn serious about cutting the money off to his agencies he is using to further his agenda with. We need to cut off Obama's money and vote him out the next election. The longer this shit goes on the harder it will be to turn out of this decline. If it continues it will tear the country to shreds. The country will start to come apart in a very violent way. People mad as hell are still willing to use the established political process. If Obama wins a second term you will finally see a big uprising stonewall him and Obama won't back down. It will get real nasty from that point. As things sit, the country is sitting on a powder keg. As the economy worsens and people get more angry it just makes the potential bomb bigger.

[jhale667]

hello, he uses a teleprompter.

he eats stale cheerios

please stick to the real issues

How would THEY know? FAUX doesn't cover the "real" issues.

[FORD]

Unless you support ending tax cuts for the rich, ending subsidies to oil, corn, and tobacco, and slashing the living shit out of the "defense" budget, then you need to shut the fuck up about the debt.

[knuckleboner]

hate to break it to you, jack, but the republicans plan on adding at least that much debt, too. they're just a little more deceptive about it...

[Dr. Love]

[jacksmar]

Unless you support ending tax cuts for the rich, ending subsidies to oil, corn, and tobacco, and slashing the living shit out of the "defense" budget, then you need to shut the fuck up about the debt.

So the seals should not have been funded to get Obama Bin Laden?

No problem with the end to the subsidies. Everyone plays by the same rules and no government handouts including the socialist welfare subsides. No fucking social walfare lobbies and no social security. Deal?

[jacksmar]

hate to break it to you, jack, but the republicans plan on adding at least that much debt, too. they're just a little more deceptive about it...

Could not have stated this better. I would just add term limits to Congress.

[FORD]

The SEALs should have been funded to get Bin Laden, and they should have done so within a week of 9-11-01. NOTHING else regarding Afghanistan or Iraq should have ever been funded, but prior to Chimpy's wars, there was still billions of wasted dollars in the "defense" budget, most of it not even going to the military itself, but to "defense" contractors for ridiculous weapons systems. For example, did all those missiles Ronald Reagan and Poppy Bush charged on the national credit card in the 80's do a damn thing to stop 19 idiots with box-cutters? (Assuming you believe that crock of shit anyway)

[FORD]

As for social security and welfare, those are worthwhile programs. Those who can work, should do so (which brings up the whole lack of jobs thing, but that is a whole other thread, which I will probably get to later today) but those who can't, because they are too old or otherwise unhealthy, need some sort of a safety net.

Money spent on those programs is a far better investment than money wasted on imperialism, subsidies for industries that produce harmful products (and make shitloads of money selling them), or tax "cuts" for tax dodging millionaires.

[jacksmar]

FORD, Check Federalist 62: "A good government implies two things: first, fidelity to the object of government, which is the happiness of the people; secondly, a knowledge of the means by which that object can be best attained."

Not prosperity. Not security. Not equality. Period.

The only thing those programs do is make you feel good about yourself. Your kind have this belief that everyone will naturally have the same distributions of outcomes in life. Your kind rig the outcome to make this happen. It hasn’t solved anything and it hasn’t helped anything. You are a genuine socialist. Good luck with that.

[FORD]

The Federalist papers are the opinions of an unknown author (though most likely James Madison and Alexander Hamilton). Interesting historical reading, but not binding law, so they aren't all that relevant to the discussion.

Furthermore, there's no discussion of "socialism" here. Just fiscal sanity.

[jacksmar]

"As for social security and welfare, those are worthwhile programs."

That is socialism and they socialist programs. It's absolutely relevant. You want slash the military because you want to attach the dollar amount to a former president and policies. I want to do the same to the socialist programs for the same reason. In fact I can go one better: slash congressional pay, benefits, and staff 50%.

FORD you swerved into being correct. America is wealthier than any time in history but every year, the American government redistributes more than a trillion dollars of that wealth to provide for retirement, health care, and to get rid of poverty. Believe it or not, we still have millions of people without comfortable retirements, without adequate health care, and living in poverty.

The socialism is not working, it never has.