Hillcunt Jr. for Congress??

[FORD]

[DONNIEP]

I bet she'd kill to have that seat.

[twonabomber]

How do these people scream that Trump can't be CIC because he never served in the military, but then suggest that Baby Clinton or Michelle Obama run for president?

Shit, I mixed up two stories. But I'm sure Chelsea's Congress run would be followed by a presidential campaign. Maybe she'll be shunned like Jeb Bush was.

[Terry]

Look, I voted for Hillary. I don't regret that vote for a moment.

The Clintons should just stop in terms of seeking political office. I'm not even sure they should be a public force/face in terms of the Democratic Party anymore.

If the immediate results of the election - and the amount of support Sanders got in the Democratic primaries - have shown anything, it is that a lot of working class voters have felt left behind in the economy. While it may well be the case that no president is going to bring back a meaningful amount of decent paying manufacturing jobs, the working class used to be a base of support the Democratic Party could count on. It wasn't that long ago when this was the case. The Democratic Party has to start addressing concerns about wages, because without jobs that can provide a decent living all of the social progress doesn't amount to much for working class people.

The Clintons abandoned the working class. NAFTA was the beginning, and in the years since Bill Clinton's presidency the Clintons are more associated with the coastal elite Ted Talk set than average Americans, and for justifiable reasons. Chelsea getting paid upwards of half a million to go on tv and interview the GEICO Gekko makes her just as culpable as either of her parents to those charges of working class abandonment, along with her stewardship of The Clinton Foundation (and all of the money for access/pay-for-play it entails that even a proud supporter of Hillary's can't deny). Were it the case that all of the various dealings the Clintons had undertaken resulted in higher wages and greater benefits for the working class, MAYBE the tradeoff would have been worth it.

That has not been the case.

Hillary's loss is an opportunity for the Democratic Party to stop clinging to the Clintons in hopes of a restoration, mostly because the Clintons haven't produced much that has really benefitted the working class. Trump's working class voters intuited this, which may be why they decided a long shot (Trump) was better than no shot at all.

[DONNIEP]

How do these people scream that Trump can't be CIC because he never served in the military, but then suggest that Baby Clinton or Michelle Obama run for president?

It's funny, actually. These people who claim they would back either of these women for office are the very same ones running around screaming about unearned privileges. Doesnt make sense, but then again neither does running around screaming love trumps hate while they're jerking people out of cars and smashing windows and all the rest of that nonsense.

[So this is love]

Look, I voted for Hillary. I don't regret that vote for a moment.

The Clintons should just stop in terms of seeking political office. I'm not even sure they should be a public force/face in terms of the Democratic Party anymore.

If the immediate results of the election - and the amount of support Sanders got in the Democratic primaries - have shown anything, it is that a lot of working class voters have felt left behind in the economy. While it may well be the case that no president is going to bring back a meaningful amount of decent paying manufacturing jobs, the working class used to be a base of support the Democratic Party could count on. It wasn't that long ago when this was the case. The Democratic Party has to start addressing concerns about wages, because without jobs that can provide a decent living all of the social progress doesn't amount to much for working class people.



The Clintons abandoned the working class. NAFTA was the beginning, and in the years since Bill Clinton's presidency the Clintons are more associated with the coastal elite Ted Talk set than average Americans, and for justifiable reasons. Chelsea getting paid upwards of half a million to go on tv and interview the GEICO Gekko makes her just as culpable as either of her parents to those charges of working class abandonment, along with her stewardship of The Clinton Foundation (and all of the money for access/pay-for-play it entails that even a proud supporter of Hillary's can't deny). Were it the case that all of the various dealings the Clintons had undertaken resulted in higher wages and greater benefits for the working class, MAYBE the tradeoff would have been worth it.

That has not been the case.

Hillary's loss is an opportunity for the Democratic Party to stop clinging to the Clintons in hopes of a restoration, mostly because the Clintons haven't produced much that has really benefitted the working class. Trump's working class voters intuited this, which may be why they decided a long shot (Trump) was better than no shot at all.

From your analysis, you should have voted for Trump or any other alternative not H.

From my point of view, a Trump Presidency is the best thing that happened to America, its people and the media. If Trump can run your country like a business for 4 years, America will be great again just by getting rid of the fat and lazy of your government. And for those that think Trump is a failure because he has bankrupted a few times and all that crap we hear in the media..., Just try and set up 200+ operations without any failure...

STIL

[Terry]

From your analysis, you should have voted for Trump or any other alternative not H.

From my point of view, a Trump Presidency is the best thing that happened to America, its people and the media. If Trump can run your country like a business for 4 years, America will be great again just by getting rid of the fat and lazy of your government. And for those that think Trump is a failure because he has bankrupted a few times and all that crap we hear in the media..., Just try and set up 200+ operations without any failure...

STIL

My own preference would have been to vote for Sanders. As much as he was essentially a one-issue candidate, the issue he spoke to is the issue I care most about. However, I don't care about that issue to the exclusion of everything else.

Regardless, even when focusing on that one issue, there's nothing I can find in the entirety of Trump's business career (even putting the relative success and failure of his various business ventures to one side) that wasn't undertaken on the single, overriding premise of one solitary idea: the enriching of Donald Trump. The Republican party that controls both houses of the Legislative Branch are in favor of economic policies that explicitly favor the top tier of earners: the rest of us live in a society where we are basically free to fail. De-unionized in right to work states with no safety net. One can make some sort of counter-argument that the Democratic party in effect favors those same policies, and that may well be true in practice, but that doesn't change or alter the nature of what the Republican party is.

So, there isn't going to be a massive federally subsidized infrastructure project that could create a substantive amount of jobs for the working class, regardless of Trump actually wanting to propose it or not. Corporate taxes have been steadily reduced for the last 3 & 1/2 decades, and wages for the lower economic classes have not risen in proportion: the rich got richer, and the rest can suck it because they're losers. Perhaps some think that is the way things ought to be. I wonder how lower income Trump voters are going to feel when the top tier tax brackets, already among the lowest among industrialized societies, get slashed even further and they see no net results on their own bottom line. Or how they're going to feel when the jobs don't come back because Trump will never implement a tax code that actually penalizes companies from reconstituting their manufacturing processes abroad. Maybe their response will be the same giggles they got from watching Trump say "You're fired" on Celebrity Apprentice, only with a new slogan: "Suck it, you're losers."

As to the racist-tinged authoritarianism that pervaded Trump's rallies and campaign speeches, well, I find it odd that those who voted for Trump are upset that they are being called racists. Even those who were doing it as an anti-Hillary vote. Folks, you can't get a little bit pregnant. Even if Trump didn't believe half the hateful things he said and was merely being an opportunist politically saying those things to fire up a segment of voters, and even if certain Trump voters disagree with those things he said but somehow believe Trump can make America great again economically, they still voted for a man who has for the last 16 months castigated virtually everybody who isn't white, American and male. Trump has, with his own words and behavior, legitimized the types of hateful attitudes I don't think the majority of the America (and I don't think even close to a majority of people who identify as Republicans) shares. With those type of attitudes and biases, you're either for them or you're against them. There's really no middle ground safe spot from which one can excuse them. Not to me. If someone is able to convince themselves otherwise, they're certainly free to do so. I'm better than that. That's not the person I want to be. That's not what the majority of this country wants to be anymore.

Hillary Clinton was far from perfect. I just don't buy into the false equivalency arguments of her and Trump both being essentially as bad a choice as the other. Globalization and a technologically-driven marketplace are here. NOBODY is going to turn the clock back on that. Regardless of the Electoral College results (which are the rules and which I respect), Trump and his supporters should bear in mind the popular vote (which he lost) and look at the long game.

[So this is love]

My own preference would have been to vote for Sanders. As much as he was essentially a one-issue candidate, the issue he spoke to is the issue I care most about. However, I don't care about that issue to the exclusion of everything else.

Regardless, even when focusing on that one issue, there's nothing I can find in the entirety of Trump's business career (even putting the relative success and failure of his various business ventures to one side) that wasn't undertaken on the single, overriding premise of one solitary idea: the enriching of Donald Trump. The Republican party that controls both houses of the Legislative Branch are in favor of economic policies that explicitly favor the top tier of earners: the rest of us live in a society where we are basically free to fail. De-unionized in right to work states with no safety net. One can make some sort of counter-argument that the Democratic party in effect favors those same policies, and that may well be true in practice, but that doesn't change or alter the nature of what the Republican party is.

So, there isn't going to be a massive federally subsidized infrastructure project that could create a substantive amount of jobs for the working class, regardless of Trump actually wanting to propose it or not. Corporate taxes have been steadily reduced for the last 3 & 1/2 decades, and wages for the lower economic classes have not risen in proportion: the rich got richer, and the rest can suck it because they're losers. Perhaps some think that is the way things ought to be. I wonder how lower income Trump voters are going to feel when the top tier tax brackets, already among the lowest among industrialized societies, get slashed even further and they see no net results on their own bottom line. Or how they're going to feel when the jobs don't come back because Trump will never implement a tax code that actually penalizes companies from reconstituting their manufacturing processes abroad. Maybe their response will be the same giggles they got from watching Trump say "You're fired" on Celebrity Apprentice, only with a new slogan: "Suck it, you're losers."

As to the racist-tinged authoritarianism that pervaded Trump's rallies and campaign speeches, well, I find it odd that those who voted for Trump are upset that they are being called racists. Even those who were doing it as an anti-Hillary vote. Folks, you can't get a little bit pregnant. Even if Trump didn't believe half the hateful things he said and was merely being an opportunist politically saying those things to fire up a segment of voters, and even if certain Trump voters disagree with those things he said but somehow believe Trump can make America great again economically, they still voted for a man who has for the last 16 months castigated virtually everybody who isn't white, American and male. Trump has, with his own words and behavior, legitimized the types of hateful attitudes I don't think the majority of the America (and I don't think even close to a majority of people who identify as Republicans) shares. With those type of attitudes and biases, you're either for them or you're against them. There's really no middle ground safe spot from which one can excuse them. Not to me. If someone is able to convince themselves otherwise, they're certainly free to do so. I'm better than that. That's not the person I want to be. That's not what the majority of this country wants to be anymore.

Hillary Clinton was far from perfect. I just don't buy into the false equivalency arguments of her and Trump both being essentially as bad a choice as the other. Globalization and a technologically-driven marketplace are here. NOBODY is going to turn the clock back on that. Regardless of the Electoral College results (which are the rules and which I respect), Trump and his supporters should bear in mind the popular vote (which he lost) and look at the long game.

Very interesting Terry, I'm actually not finished reading the above......, but I just waisted $50 while ordering the UFC 205... I ordered it in french instead of English...We don't get the crowd noise and the same commentators.FUCK!!!!!!!!!

[So this is love]

From the beginning,I was with Bernie, I agree with you Bernie Sanders would have beaten Trump not H wrong nominee...BTW, the electoral college results is fair and needs respect. I am Canadian and from the outside what we canadian admire the most from Americans is that you stand behind your President whomever it is. Back to UFC MISCHA TATE was ok looking at the beginning of the fight but she now looks like a guy....

[So this is love]

Let me do a DonnieP (hail to the master) and derail this thread for a moment.......... Madonna is at ufc 205 right now ... ..........OMG another female fight ......kovalki... something (oh fk she could kick my ass) against jedrzejczyk (not much breast) another one who could kick any guys ass.

[So this is love]

For the record "two tight azz":

[Terry]

From the beginning,I was with Bernie, I agree with you Bernie Sanders would have beaten Trump not H wrong nominee...BTW, the electoral college results is fair and needs respect. I am Canadian and from the outside what we canadian admire the most from Americans is that you stand behind your President whomever it is. Back to UFC MISCHA TATE was ok looking at the beginning of the fight but she now looks like a guy....

I suspect Sanders and his message may have resonated more effectively in certain areas of the country that were needed to win the Electoral College than Hillary's campaign did. I can't tell you for sure that this would have offset her strength with other segments of the vote or not, even though I would have preferred Sanders to have headed the Democratic ticket this year.

Beyond that, the most useful conclusion to be drawn by the Democratic Party is that they went with the wrong candidate this year, and the responsibility for the loss ultimately is at Hillary's feet. Not Comey's. Not Obama's black supporters who didn't come out for her in the same numbers they had for him. Not the Millennials who didn't come out for her the way they did for Sanders. Not the white women who didn't turn out for her in the numbers expected. Not the Hispanic/Latino voters who didn't come out for her in the numbers they had for Obama.

It wasn't the job of all those segments of the electorate to come out and vote for Hillary: SHE was the candidate. It was HER job to persuade those voters to cast their ballots for her. She failed to persuade enough of them to do so.

[Angel]

Very interesting Terry, I'm actually not finished reading the above......, but I just waisted $50 while ordering the UFC 205... I ordered it in french instead of English...We don't get the crowd noise and the same commentators.FUCK!!!!!!!!!

You mean...

Tabernaque Estee! Chalice! Sacre Bleu!

French Canadian swear words...

[Terry]

You mean...

Tabernaque Estee! Chalice! Sacre Bleu!

French Canadian swear words...

It's good to see you back here.

[Nickdfresh]

I could care less if she seeks a congressional seat. So what?