So the Orange Imbecile is sworn in, and then gives a fucking STUMP SPEECH

[Nitro Express]

Feel free to jump against Trump!

Someone lit themselves on fire for Trump. Now someone needs to jump and then someone needs to light themselves on fire and then jump. Then someone has to jump off something higher to outdo the previous jumper.

[cadaverdog]

If you are going to be the resident board apologist for dumb shit Trump says, your post count is going to go through the roof during the next 4 years.

I'm not apologizing for his remarks. If he actually did that I'd say he should be arrested for sexual assault. But it was just talk. I didn't agree with him saying all illegal aliens are evil people. I've worked with hundreds of illegals and most of them were good people just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. But we can't employ everyone of them who wants to do that. I damn sure didn't agree with what he said about John McCain.

[Seshmeister]

He had just heard him boast about sexually assaulting women and wanted to see him do it.

The odious little prick wanted to ingratiate himself with Trump by giving him an opportunity.

[cadaverdog]

Not being a deplorable little weasel like Billy Bush my opening line to the woman would not be "How about a little hug for the Donald?".

Exactly. He knew he was in the company of someone who wouldn't be offended when he said that. Otherwise he probably wouldn't have said it. If he knew he was being recorded he wouldn't have said it.

[cadaverdog]

Fuckin' imbecile.

If you can't force your opinion on someone they're an imbecile. Or a deplorable. Who died and made you the judge and jury of everyone else opinion?

[Seshmeister]

Horseshit. Especially if you had to work with that person or better yet work for that person. You'd let it go in one ear and out the other just like anyone else would.

No I wouldn't I would think this guy is a prick and I'm going to fuck him up if I can do it safely.

Not being a deplorable little weasel like Billy Bush my opening line to the woman would not be "How about a little hug for the Donald?".

[cadaverdog]

It was a private moment that morphed into a public window about how Donald Trump views women, and there was nothing positive about Trump's viewpoint unless one happens to share it.

When has anyone said it was acceptable for anyone to sexually assault any woman? I just see it as bragging. I didn't take it serious the first time I heard it and I still don't.

[Terry]

You don't get it. He wasn't the president or running for office when he said it. it was a private conversation between two grown men. Do you think every president we've had was squeaky clean like Jimmy Carter?

He was 59 years old when he said it.

He was then speaking of using his celebrity and position of power as a means of forcing himself upon women, including a married woman who was resisting his advances.

That you speak of it in terms of being excusable because he wasn't running for president when he said it (so that makes it okay?), or because it was a private conversation (therefore because it was made public it is to somehow be put to one side when deliberating character? sometimes private conversations are when the truth comes out) or the relative character deficiencies of other presidents (the "they all do it" defense)...all of that just rings hollow in my ears.

I suppose if one expects no more from the President than they do David Lee Roth all of what you cited is a solid rationale. Suffice to say, I choose not to buy a pencil from your cup.

Fuckin' imbecile.

[Seshmeister]

You don't get it. He wasn't the president or running for office when he said it. it was a private conversation between two grown men. Do you think every president we've had was squeaky clean like Jimmy Carter?

If you are going to be the resident board apologist for dumb shit Trump says, your post count is going to go through the roof during the next 4 years.

[cadaverdog]

Apart from being thought a prick anyone that talked like Trump would have the utter shit ripped out him to take him down a peg.

Horseshit. Especially if you had to work with that person or better yet work for that person. You'd let it go in one ear and out the other just like anyone else would.

[Terry]

Don't worry, he'll get better...

In a larger sense, I shouldn't be surprised. I expect a casual relationship with the truth from political hacks (or "strategists") such as Jeffrey Lord, Reince Priebus and Kellyanne Conway. I expect them to "spin". Regardless of being surprised or not - or if it is to be expected or not - it is a bit astounding that Spicer went out and professed so many things to be factual (or "alternate facts") when they clearly weren't. Why squander your personal credibility as Press Secretary right off the bat doing this? Put ethics to one side: what was the net gain for the Trump Administration in lying so blatantly over something so easily disprovable this early in the game? To change the subject from the protest marches? That they actually believe their alternate facts because they live in an alternate reality? The former would be cynical yet semi-clever in a short-term tactical way. The latter is a bit frightening for what it portends to come.

It is almost as if Trump, who sets the tone for his staff, can't even be bothered trying to construct a believable lie. Not just the lie itself, but the sheer laziness of it. I mean, I can appreciate a clever bullshitter. Should it be that this was to deflect from coverage of the marches, there would be a degree of a clever bullshitter there. My fear is that this wasn't the objective. Trump (like Reagan) believes things to be true because he thinks they are so.

[cadaverdog]

David Lee Roth isn't currently sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. Get it?

You don't get it. He wasn't the president or running for office when he said it. it was a private conversation between two grown men. Do you think every president we've had was squeaky clean like Jimmy Carter?

[cadaverdog]

And at the time when he started the 'I'm gonna fuck your girlfriend' line, not qualified to be POTUS as he did not meet the minimum age requirement.

Trump wasn't a politician at the time either and it was a conversation between two grown men. I see it as one guy bragging to another guy.

[Terry]

Neither was Trump at the time.

David Lee Roth isn't currently sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. Get it?

[cadaverdog]

With the one self-evidently obvious (yet oddly unmentioned in your reply) fact that David Lee Roth isn't the President.

Neither was Trump at the time.