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  • Nitro Express
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    Originally posted by FORD
    To this day, the only US President to confiscate firearms from legal adult gun owners was Chimpy W. Cokespoon during his clusterfuck mishandling of Hurricane Katrina. And even after that, the NRA still spreads the "Librul Democrat Gun Grabbers" lie.
    True. The NRA is a partisan organization. Funny. They have a sociopathic gun runner as their president now. That Ollie North dude. The Bush family are globalists as are the Clintons and Obamas. All one happy team. The real objective is to destroy nation states and replace them with unions ran by a few people. Consolidation of power. That's why we were outsourced to China and that's why our technology was allowed to be stollen. That's why we opened our government labs to China. Slowly bleed the US dry so it can be consolidated. So both the globalist bribed Democrats and Republicans want to disarm the American people. Got to do that to complete the screw fest. So we get all these mind games and divide and conquer games and silly games.

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  • FORD
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    To this day, the only US President to confiscate firearms from legal adult gun owners was Chimpy W. Cokespoon during his clusterfuck mishandling of Hurricane Katrina. And even after that, the NRA still spreads the "Librul Democrat Gun Grabbers" lie.

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  • Nitro Express
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    Gun control and abortion are the eternal political arguments. Been hearing people jaw jack about both my whole life. Arguing about guns and abortion will outlast the government itself.

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  • Nitro Express
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    Originally posted by ZahZoo
    From my experience, gun ownership is a lot like guitars... majority of people may have one or a couple but they spend most of the time gathering dust in a closet out of sight. Then there's the rare few people who have to own everything that is popular and have some massive collection they display in their homes but never use the damn things for the most part. Plus there's the vintage collectors... hoarders with purpose...

    It's interesting... There's a shooting range about a mile down the road from where I live. During the Obama years it was a busy place on weekends year round. Since then it sits empty and quiet 98% of the time with the exception of a few weeks before deer and/or duck hunting seasons.
    Guns, guitars, women and fast cars. Exactly. I know people who have a collection of some very nice firearms. I know people who build nice firearms. I even know a guy who custom engraves firearms. It's art that makes a lot of noise. Just like an electric guitar. Most these people with the fancy candy in the gun safe usually pack a Glock. The Glock is the simple tool that can get the job done if need be.

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  • Nitro Express
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    Originally posted by ZahZoo
    Living in the state with the highest percentage of gun ownership... I found one part of that article odd...

    "In many parts of the country, these social norms include participation in social activities around gun ownership."

    What "social activities" are they referring to..?

    Hunting? Not exactly a "social" activity. In most cases, a person sit's solitary in a deer stand waiting for an animal to pass by. You might find a couple of people together in a duck blind... but when you boil it down it's a solitary human with a firearm. It's not a "safe" group activity in any form.

    Do they figure folks gather here with drinks and finger-foods sporting handguns and long-rifles..?

    I've lived in 5 states and city sizes from a few hundred to over a million in population. I see and encounter no more people with firearms in public here in Arkansas than I have anywhere else.
    The days of having the gun rack in the back of your truck cab or the big glass doored gun case in the living room are over. Why? Theft. When I was a kid growing up in Idaho you saw guns all the time. Also with more shootings and paranoid people, most gun owners transport their guns inside of cases. They aren't walking down the street or even in their driveway with a gun. Part of it is not wanting people knowing you have them (again theft) or you don't want to spook people. To show how paranoid people are now the campus police at an Idaho university arrested a student on campus. People called in saying he was walking around with a rifle case. Turns out it was a case full of pool cues. The guy was heading to the student union to play some pool. This is in Idaho, not in some liberal city. So the guns aren't out in the open. They are in concealed holsters. Locked away in safes. Transported in cases and bags that look like they hold a Stratocaster and not a rifle.

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  • Nitro Express
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    Originally posted by Seshmeister
    If 1 in 3 people have firearms and there are over 300 million out there, that must mean that there must be a lot people with arsenals.

    Another interesting stat is that 71% of people killed in mass shootings since it's re-legalization in 2004 were killed by an AR15. They should use that in their advertising, it's impressive.
    More like gun collections. If you bought the right firearms they have been a great investment. Most the guns owned in this country are never even taken out to the range. They sit in people's collections. As far as the AR-15 goes it's been around since the 1950's and has always been legal to own in the US. They had laws that required certain cosmetic things be changed but if the AR-15 went away there would be plenty of other firearms that would kill people just as effectively. The funny thing is AR-15's have just become more popular and less expensive the more people try to ban them. In the 80's most AR-15 riffles were made by Colt and if you went into a gun store there might be one or two for sale. Now I would say AR-15 type rifles are 25% of the inventory. They really weren't popular because they were overpriced for what they were. Now there are more manufactures of the AR-15 than I can name, Building your own AR-15 is popular. You don't even need to buy a rifle. You can make your own. The amount of parts and accessories available now for the AR-15 is huge. Why the AR-15 is popular is it's easy to customize. The barrel is held in with a big threaded nut. You can change the barrel easy and you can change all sorts of things. You can make the rifle fit you better. This is why the AR-15 platform is popular with target shooters. If you want more power or want to shoot farther you get an AR-10. The reality is the AR-15 isn't going to go away until it becomes obsolete.

    Of course if you really wanted to ban guns you do that by banning ammunition or the components that go into making the ammunition. But since it's an emotional issue people focus on the guns. It's really all just emotional hype with no real strategic intelligence. Make a 223 or 5.56 round cost $100 each then you reduce the amount of what someone can stuff into a high capacity magazine. That's of course if the person hasn't already purchased several thousand rounds for 30 cents each at Cheaper Than Dirt.

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  • Nitro Express
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    Every country has warts including the US. It ain't a perfect world but in the words of Elon Musk, "America is where the opportunities are". You can start a LLC up in America quick and if you screw up, you can file bankruptcy and start over again. Also there is a huge pool of talented people. The average schmuck here seems to not like to work as hard as their grandparents did but there are people who are motivated and want to go somewhere. America is about doing business. Period. If I wasn't benefiting from living here I would move somewhere else. Why did our ancestors migrate here? Opportunity. The same reason Elon Musk came here. Simple as that. Now people can go on with all this stupid political babble and cry the world is unfair but it accomplishes nothing. Just a lot of noise from people who have time to make noise.

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  • Nitro Express
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    Originally posted by ZahZoo
    I doubt you'll find many who will honestly admit it... but yeah, I believe that a large percentage of people of multiple races feared having a black man as president. Many most likely were not even consciously aware of it, denied it, but their actions drove them to unnatural behaviors and beliefs.

    If you objectively followed Obama's campaign messages, speeches, executive orders and all of the proposed legislative activities that came out of the White House during his 2 terms... nothing occurred that resulted in restricting gun ownership or sales. The only consistent message Obama had was we need to have responsible dialog addressing gun issues. Those were predominately following some gun related tragedy.

    Somewhere people planted the seed that Obama was coming for their guns and ammo... sales rose to record levels and ammo shortages were widespread. Oh, and no one came for their guns and ammo. Obama left the White House and the bottom fell out of the whole gun market in the US. What else could have fueled such irrational behavior... fear seems to be the most likely suspect.
    The reality is let's say whoever is in the White House really does want to take the guns and ammo. Who in the hell are they going to find to do it? Most people who get a government check wouldn't think their pay is enough to justify stirring up that nest of hornets. So in a way having so many citizens armed is a deterrent just because people who some tyrant would send don't want to mess with it. So it's kind of like nukes. They never are going to be used but having them there does deter aggression.

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  • ZahZoo
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    Originally posted by Seshmeister
    It's weird I guess they were somehow frightened by having a black man in the White House?
    I doubt you'll find many who will honestly admit it... but yeah, I believe that a large percentage of people of multiple races feared having a black man as president. Many most likely were not even consciously aware of it, denied it, but their actions drove them to unnatural behaviors and beliefs.

    If you objectively followed Obama's campaign messages, speeches, executive orders and all of the proposed legislative activities that came out of the White House during his 2 terms... nothing occurred that resulted in restricting gun ownership or sales. The only consistent message Obama had was we need to have responsible dialog addressing gun issues. Those were predominately following some gun related tragedy.

    Somewhere people planted the seed that Obama was coming for their guns and ammo... sales rose to record levels and ammo shortages were widespread. Oh, and no one came for their guns and ammo. Obama left the White House and the bottom fell out of the whole gun market in the US. What else could have fueled such irrational behavior... fear seems to be the most likely suspect.

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  • Seshmeister
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    Originally posted by ZahZoo
    From my experience, gun ownership is a lot like guitars... majority of people may have one or a couple but they spend most of the time gathering dust in a closet out of sight. Then there's the rare few people who have to own everything that is popular and have some massive collection they display in their homes but never use the damn things for the most part. Plus there's the vintage collectors... hoarders with purpose...

    It's interesting... There's a shooting range about a mile down the road from where I live. During the Obama years it was a busy place on weekends year round. Since then it sits empty and quiet 98% of the time with the exception of a few weeks before deer and/or duck hunting seasons.
    It's weird I guess they were somehow frightened by having a black man in the White House?

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  • jacksmar
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    Originally posted by Seshmeister
    If 1 in 3 people have firearms and there are over 300 million out there, that must mean that there must be a lot people with arsenals.

    Another interesting stat is that 71% of people killed in mass shootings since it's re-legalization in 2004 were killed by an AR15. They should use that in their advertising, it's impressive.
    And what was your point? The bolt action rifle, smokeless powder, and revolvers were designed for the battlefield. Each of these was designed to be more tactical. So the Marlin Model 60 is is just fine with you. Got it. Just so long as nobody is killed with an AR15.

    An infantry assault rifle is designed as it is for convenient, lightweight ease of use for defense and attack in the ranges of 10 to 400 yards allowing the soldier to carry a significant ammo load.

    There's your advertising....
    Last edited by jacksmar; 10-31-2018, 05:37 PM.

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  • private parts
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    Originally posted by ZahZoo

    It's interesting... There's a shooting range about a mile down the road from where I live. During the Obama years it was a busy place on weekends year round. Since then it sits empty and quiet 98% of the time with the exception of a few weeks before deer and/or duck hunting seasons.
    It might get busy again in about 7 days
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  • ZahZoo
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    From my experience, gun ownership is a lot like guitars... majority of people may have one or a couple but they spend most of the time gathering dust in a closet out of sight. Then there's the rare few people who have to own everything that is popular and have some massive collection they display in their homes but never use the damn things for the most part. Plus there's the vintage collectors... hoarders with purpose...

    It's interesting... There's a shooting range about a mile down the road from where I live. During the Obama years it was a busy place on weekends year round. Since then it sits empty and quiet 98% of the time with the exception of a few weeks before deer and/or duck hunting seasons.

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  • Seshmeister
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    If 1 in 3 people have firearms and there are over 300 million out there, that must mean that there must be a lot people with arsenals.

    Another interesting stat is that 71% of people killed in mass shootings since it's re-legalization in 2004 were killed by an AR15. They should use that in their advertising, it's impressive.

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  • ZahZoo
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    Living in the state with the highest percentage of gun ownership... I found one part of that article odd...

    "In many parts of the country, these social norms include participation in social activities around gun ownership."

    What "social activities" are they referring to..?

    Hunting? Not exactly a "social" activity. In most cases, a person sit's solitary in a deer stand waiting for an animal to pass by. You might find a couple of people together in a duck blind... but when you boil it down it's a solitary human with a firearm. It's not a "safe" group activity in any form.

    Do they figure folks gather here with drinks and finger-foods sporting handguns and long-rifles..?

    I've lived in 5 states and city sizes from a few hundred to over a million in population. I see and encounter no more people with firearms in public here in Arkansas than I have anywhere else.

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