World War III

[Kristy]

In RuZZia, Army kills you

[Kristy]

Nestle was always a shit corporation anyway

[Nickdfresh]

BTWE, Russia is now reportedly pulling out of mothballs and sending T-54/55 tanks (dated in nomenclature by the year they entered service) to Ukraine. Real desperation, they may be okay against infantry but even there they are fucked as any AT weapon will kill them. The older T-54 and 62 take 4 crewmen not 3 with the later Russian/Soviet designs so manpower will be even more fucked....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/03/24/those-t-55-tanks-the-russians-are-pulling-out-of-storage-they-were-obsolete--in-1973/?sh=6752d833904e

[Nickdfresh]

Although I have to admit if some MAGA nut stabbed Tucker Carlson in his money grabbing lying face for secretly hating Trump I wouldn't lose a whole lot of sleep....

What would that have to do with the killing or stabbing of journalists?

[Seshmeister]

Although I have to admit if some MAGA nut stabbed Tucker Carlson in his money grabbing lying face for secretly hating Trump I wouldn't lose a whole lot of sleep....

[Seshmeister]

Rikk. I visited the Soviet Union in 1975 when it opened to outsiders. My dad’s cousin was a Russian history professor and arranged the trip. I’ve been to Russia six times. I think I know the place. I can honestly say everyone is being fed propaganda. Yes Vladimir Putin wasn’t happy about the Soviet Union coming apart for various reasons. You have to realize we left Russia with no functioning government after we collapsed them. That country was a nightmare in the 1990’s. I saw it firsthand. Putin came in and brought law and order back and people who were being exploited by oligarchs and mobsters for the most part saw things improve substantially. What I can say about Putin is he’s a Russian nationalist and sure he runs the place like a czar but that’s Russia. The country never has been a democracy.

Now on the US side of things we only need to look back at President Eisenhower. He knew both our intelligence and military apparatus would be a potential source of tyranny in the future and they would generate conflict and problems to justify their existence. Follow the money. Lot’s of jobs are created in these two areas. People don’t want to see it disappear.

So the Soviet Union crumbles. Great. Now we can focus the resources we were spending on the Cold War and put them towards improving things at home. Ever drive around the US lately? Much of it is a shit hole. I spent some time in Singapore and the Middle East not too long ago and was blown away by the modern infrastructure. We are falling behind here. You know what the money we wasted in Iraq and in Afghanistan could build here?

We have this military/intelligence/media apparatus that always needs a boogeyman. Why? To justify its existence. If it went away a lot of people would be losing a lot of money. So of course they want to demonize Russia. They want a new Cold War. Trust me. They don’t give a flip more about the people in the Ukraine any more than they give a flip about the people in Afghanistan or Iraq.

We created a monster. Eisenhower warned us. Now the monster is going to run any type of coup and create any kind of illusion to justify its existence. It’s pushed Russia and China together while weakening us here. We actually kept Russia and China separate and controlled Russia with the oil price. Then our domestic oil production got closed down and Putin was free to makes moves. You bait him into the Ukraine by attacking ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine.

There are no good players in this. No good guys. It’s going to lead to World War IV if that’s what you want. We won World War III by winning the Cold War. The problem is what was built up to win that doesn’t want peace. They miss having a big enemy so they created it. The new Russia/China pact with whoever joins in will be a son of a bitch.

Whatever half of that is true but as usual it's this dumb false equivalency.

How many American journalists have been murdered in the last 5 years by the state?

100? 200?

Did the US collapse Russia? I don't think so, it collapsed itself.

[Kristy]

I visited the Soviet Union in 1975 when it opened to outsiders.

[Nickdfresh]

Rikk. I visited the Soviet Union in 1975 when it opened to outsiders. My dad’s cousin was a Russian history professor and arranged the trip. I’ve been to Russia six times. I think I know the place. I can honestly say everyone is being fed propaganda. Yes Vladimir Putin wasn’t happy about the Soviet Union coming apart for various reasons.

Yeah, um, The Soviet Union wasn't "Russia". Ruscist or Russian-centric maybe, but not just Russia. At least that was their propaganda...

You have to realize we left Russia with no functioning government after we collapsed them. That country was a nightmare in the 1990’s. I saw it firsthand. Putin came in and brought law and order back and people who were being exploited by oligarchs and mobsters for the most part saw things improve substantially. What I can say about Putin is he’s a Russian nationalist and sure he runs the place like a czar but that’s Russia. The country never has been a democracy.

Who the fuck is "we"? What do you mean by we? I guess the Soviet apparatchiks and their deeply and ever increasingly corrupt system had nothing to do with that? It was all "we's" fault? Yeah, Putin, what a hero! Took down the oligarchs, and then became one! The oligarchs and mobsters were mostly ex-Communist Party and military members with innate knowledge on how to fuck their people over and rob the place on levels they couldn't quite do previously during the Cold War.

Putin is a corrupt czar and just another oil-wealth siphoning maggot dictator. There were brief periods of democracy in Russia, and Russian can be democratic but a Russian/Soviet Empire cannot...

Now on the US side of things we only need to look back at President Eisenhower. He knew both our intelligence and military apparatus would be a potential source of tyranny in the future and they would generate conflict and problems to justify their existence. Follow the money. Lot’s of jobs are created in these two areas. People don’t want to see it disappear.

Okay, so how did "they" generate this conflict? An unprovoked invasion?

So the Soviet Union crumbles. Great. Now we can focus the resources we were spending on the Cold War and put them towards improving things at home. Ever drive around the US lately? Much of it is a shit hole. I spent some time in Singapore and the Middle East not too long ago and was blown away by the modern infrastructure. We are falling behind here. You know what the money we wasted in Iraq and in Afghanistan could build here?

We attempted to cut the military in the early 1990's and everything changed after 2001, I know I was there! And I'm pretty sure you voted for the architects of Afghanistan and Iraq. The US military is geared completely differently than it was during the Cold War to fight insurgencies with only a tacit capability to fight large mechanized enemies. That is now changing only recently, and the Ukraine War has only shown how vulnerable Western militaries are to sustained conflict...

We have this military/intelligence/media apparatus that always needs a boogeyman. Why? To justify its existence. If it went away a lot of people would be losing a lot of money. So of course they want to demonize Russia. They want a new Cold War. Trust me. They don’t give a flip more about the people in the Ukraine any more than they give a flip about the people in Afghanistan or Iraq.

We created a monster. Eisenhower warned us. Now the monster is going to run any type of coup and create any kind of illusion to justify its existence. It’s pushed Russia and China together while weakening us here. We actually kept Russia and China separate and controlled Russia with the oil price. Then our domestic oil production got closed down and Putin was free to makes moves. You bait him into the Ukraine by attacking ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine.

There are no good players in this. No good guys. It’s going to lead to World War IV if that’s what you want. We won World War III by winning the Cold War. The problem is what was built up to win that doesn’t want peace. They miss having a big enemy so they created it. The new Russia/China pact with whoever joins in will be a son of a bitch.

Just incoherent nonsense. The "military industrial complex" is complaining of the opposite, that they cannot quickly restock ammunition stockpiles fast enough in the event of a major near-peer conflict. The Russo-Chinese pact stuff is crap. They are historical enemies and there is already a lot of colonial tension between the two. Russia's conventional (and probably nuclear) military has been exposed as shit and the Chinese are riding a bit high now but are facing a depopulation crisis in the near future and a massive environmental nightmare ongoing. That is the reason for all the saber rattling over Taiwan now, because they know they're at a high-water mark and will not even have a chance to take the nation in five years or so. But they can't now either because they don't have the follow-on sealift capacity...

Read this: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/u...raine-war.html

[Nickdfresh]

The US never transitioned from a war economy to a peacetime economy. Whenever someone tries to do that they get attacked and ran off. The war mongers want war and they are taking us to it. This time against nuclear armed nations. I might add one of the nations we are going to war with manufactures most the stuff we use including the device you are reading this on.

Our wonderful government painted us into a corner. Oh the propaganda machine will tell you otherwise.

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Um, wut? You need to cut down on the peyote, mescal, and cliches....

[Nitro Express]

The US never transitioned from a war economy to a peacetime economy. Whenever someone tries to do that they get attacked and ran off. The war mongers want war and they are taking us to it. This time against nuclear armed nations. I might add one of the nations we are going to war with manufactures most the stuff we use including the device you are reading this on.

Our wonderful government painted us into a corner. Oh the propaganda machine will tell you otherwise.

[Nitro Express]

Nitro, I like you and I like a lot of your posts.

But you've gotta be kidding me if you don't think Putin has spent years basically trying to turn back time into Russia basically being a reunion run of the Soviet Union.

A lot of the current Russian feelings (I'd say MOST of them) is Putin propaganda. When the Soviet Union fell over 30 years ago, Stalin was hated by most of the population. In recent years, 70% of Russians have stated that they have an overall positive view of what Stalin did for the country. That's simply insane. Stalin is responsible, according to most reputable historians, for upwards of 20,000,000 deaths...with at least 1,000,000 of them direct murder during his purges, another 6-10 million direct or indirect deaths caused during his enforced famines, etc. But Putin's push to glorify the Soviet years has simply wiped so much of this out of the minds of Russian citizens. Hell, he passed a resolution a few years ago enforcing the official word on the subject in Russia that the invasion of Afghanistan was not only justified but glorious.

This is a man who murders or imprisons all of his political enemies. The echoes of Stalin are more obvious than a bad melody choice on a 1986-1998 Van Halen album.

The invasion of Ukraine was completely a crime against democracy and world peace. Only the uber-right are crying foul against Ukraine for defending themselves and crying foul against the U.S. & other nations for denouncing what Putin has done.

Rikk. I visited the Soviet Union in 1975 when it opened to outsiders. My dad’s cousin was a Russian history professor and arranged the trip. I’ve been to Russia six times. I think I know the place. I can honestly say everyone is being fed propaganda. Yes Vladimir Putin wasn’t happy about the Soviet Union coming apart for various reasons. You have to realize we left Russia with no functioning government after we collapsed them. That country was a nightmare in the 1990’s. I saw it firsthand. Putin came in and brought law and order back and people who were being exploited by oligarchs and mobsters for the most part saw things improve substantially. What I can say about Putin is he’s a Russian nationalist and sure he runs the place like a czar but that’s Russia. The country never has been a democracy.

Now on the US side of things we only need to look back at President Eisenhower. He knew both our intelligence and military apparatus would be a potential source of tyranny in the future and they would generate conflict and problems to justify their existence. Follow the money. Lot’s of jobs are created in these two areas. People don’t want to see it disappear.

So the Soviet Union crumbles. Great. Now we can focus the resources we were spending on the Cold War and put them towards improving things at home. Ever drive around the US lately? Much of it is a shit hole. I spent some time in Singapore and the Middle East not too long ago and was blown away by the modern infrastructure. We are falling behind here. You know what the money we wasted in Iraq and in Afghanistan could build here?

We have this military/intelligence/media apparatus that always needs a boogeyman. Why? To justify its existence. If it went away a lot of people would be losing a lot of money. So of course they want to demonize Russia. They want a new Cold War. Trust me. They don’t give a flip more about the people in the Ukraine any more than they give a flip about the people in Afghanistan or Iraq.

We created a monster. Eisenhower warned us. Now the monster is going to run any type of coup and create any kind of illusion to justify its existence. It’s pushed Russia and China together while weakening us here. We actually kept Russia and China separate and controlled Russia with the oil price. Then our domestic oil production got closed down and Putin was free to makes moves. You bait him into the Ukraine by attacking ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine.

There are no good players in this. No good guys. It’s going to lead to World War IV if that’s what you want. We won World War III by winning the Cold War. The problem is what was built up to win that doesn’t want peace. They miss having a big enemy so they created it. The new Russia/China pact with whoever joins in will be a son of a bitch.

[Mushroom]

Well, yeah...

Killer series!

[Rikk]

Ha! The Soviet Union no longer exists so how can I be listening to Soviet propaganda? You like many are stuck in the Cold War mindset. It’s a different world now.

Nitro, I like you and I like a lot of your posts.

But you've gotta be kidding me if you don't think Putin has spent years basically trying to turn back time into Russia basically being a reunion run of the Soviet Union.

A lot of the current Russian feelings (I'd say MOST of them) is Putin propaganda. When the Soviet Union fell over 30 years ago, Stalin was hated by most of the population. In recent years, 70% of Russians have stated that they have an overall positive view of what Stalin did for the country. That's simply insane. Stalin is responsible, according to most reputable historians, for upwards of 20,000,000 deaths...with at least 1,000,000 of them direct murder during his purges, another 6-10 million direct or indirect deaths caused during his enforced famines, etc. But Putin's push to glorify the Soviet years has simply wiped so much of this out of the minds of Russian citizens. Hell, he passed a resolution a few years ago enforcing the official word on the subject in Russia that the invasion of Afghanistan was not only justified but glorious.

This is a man who murders or imprisons all of his political enemies. The echoes of Stalin are more obvious than a bad melody choice on a 1986-1998 Van Halen album.

The invasion of Ukraine was completely a crime against democracy and world peace. Only the uber-right are crying foul against Ukraine for defending themselves and crying foul against the U.S. & other nations for denouncing what Putin has done.

[Kristy]

This is just wholesale slaughter anymore. Estimates are 300- 500 RuZZians are being killed every day.

[Kristy]

BOOM!

No army can be this careless and stupid. Lack of commissioned officers on the front lines, no morale, no battle plans other then to just throw more people into a slaughter and expect victory. It's like that stupid song by Culture Club 'War is Stupid' but not as stupid as that song although RuZZia has taken stupid to an entirely new level. Congrats RuZZia you defeated Culture Club