World War III

[Seshmeister]

Hmm I think that there was maybe some propaganda exaggerating the scale of that attack.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/26/ukraine-says-russian-black-sea-fleet-commander-among-34-officers-killed

[Nickdfresh]

No. Not even close. Generals and admirals die but not that this level of attrition. Part of the issue is that , the Russians use officers to manage everything unlike say, the US or UK (NATO) armies that have a professional NCO corp that take initiative when the officers are killed or are incompetent. In short Russian senior commanders have to get close to the action to drive home their objectives. And of course in the occupied Ukraine they have HUMINT intelligence assets honing the targeting of senior Russian commanders in addition to everything else like drones and SIGNIT...

[Seshmeister]

The Mother of all Decapitation Strikes! Ukraine may have used UK Storm Shadow missiles to destroy the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol, probably killing the lead admiral and possibly causing over 100 casualties of other senior officers of the Russian military and intelligence...

Can you remember a war in modern times where one side lost so many senior military?

[Nickdfresh]

The Mother of all Decapitation Strikes! Ukraine may have used UK Storm Shadow missiles to destroy the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol, probably killing the lead admiral and possibly causing over 100 casualties of other senior officers of the Russian military and intelligence...

[Nickdfresh]

The difference is that back then they had the birthrate to sustain it, now not so much...

[Seshmeister]

That's always been the Russian way though.

Their great victory at Kursk that they always glorify they outnumbered the attacking Germans 3 to 1, they were on home soil with the German supply lines going back thousands of miles and they still lost twice as many as the Germans and 4 or 5 times as many tanks.

[Nickdfresh]

I think absolute proof that Ukrainians are killing Russians at much higher ratios even though they're mostly on the offensive and are supposed to traditionally suffer more casualties than the defender is in the Oryx estimate of destroyed vehicles and equipment. They count destroyed stuff using satellite and other open source material and routinely show that the Russians lose two pieces of tanks, IFV's, APC's, SPG's (AFV's in general) and everything else for one Ukrainian loss. Usually it's more like 3:1 or even 4:1 in favor of the Ukrainian Defense Forces...

[Nickdfresh]

Way better in the West, for example it was closer to 1 dead for every 10 wounded in Afghanistan so I think that means if the US/UK were fighting if they had casualties like the Russians we would have 'only' 30 000 dead rather than 120 000 just because of better medics. If Sarge was around he would be able to tell you that that there have been incredible improvements in the last 20 years in gunshot/battlefield medicine.

I was listening to a documentary going through the autopsies listing all the assassinated US presidents that would survive now which is most of them. Even Robert Kennedy who was shot in the head at close range would probably survive nowadays although a bit fucked up.

So that's Russia lost twice as many people in the Ukraine in 18 months than the US lost in 10 years in Vietnam?

All true. To be fair though, in a high intensity near-peer fight, casualties would be higher and the death-to-wounded-ratio would be lower than 10:1 without air superiority (or supremacy) and an enemy possessing a lot or artillery, SAM's, and armor...

The est. of Russian dead is likely low and may be as high as near 300K. In any case in 'Nam the US lost 58,220 dead (KIA) between 1957-1975 IIRC with the bulk between 1965-1971. There were over 153,000 WIA but you can double that to over 300,000 when wounds not requiring hospitalization are included...

So yeah, the Russians are fucking twisted and ruining their next 50 years in this war. I mean if they told us in Basic Training that we needed to get tampons from our mothers, wives, or girlfriends to treat our battlefield wounds I'd of fucking deserted!...

[Seshmeister]

The current Western intelligence believes Russia has lost 120,000 dead and 180,000 wounded. That's a horrifying statistic not just because of the total number but the casualty ratio of 1:1.5 dead to wounded is almost a medieval number showing the Russian gov't gives no shits about their wounded and seems to have a policy about leaving behind dead and wounded so they are MIA and no payments/benefits have to be made to the family, or are at least deferred. Modern combat models should be about 1:3 dead-to-wounded IIRC with modern battlefield medicine, probably better...

Way better in the West, for example it was closer to 1 dead for every 10 wounded in Afghanistan so I think that means if the US/UK were fighting if they had casualties like the Russians we would have 'only' 30 000 dead rather than 120 000 just because of better medics. If Sarge was around he would be able to tell you that that there have been incredible improvements in the last 20 years in gunshot/battlefield medicine.

I was listening to a documentary going through the autopsies listing all the assassinated US presidents that would survive now which is most of them. Even Robert Kennedy who was shot in the head at close range would probably survive nowadays although a bit fucked up.

So that's Russia lost twice as many people in the Ukraine in 18 months than the US lost in 10 years in Vietnam?

[Seshmeister]

No peace talks until after the US election because of Trump.

[Nickdfresh]

US will send Ukraine ATACMS long-range missiles, Biden tells Zelenskiy -NBC

...
Kyiv has repeatedly asked the Biden administration for Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to help attack and disrupt supply lines, air bases and rail networks in Russian occupied territory.

But the White House did not disclose any decision on ATACMS when Zelenskiy visited Washington on Thursday for talks with Biden, even as it announced a new $325 million military aid package for Kyiv.

The Pentagon did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Reuters.

Reuters had previously reported the Biden administration was considering shipping ATACMS to Ukraine that can fly up to 190 miles (306 km).

ATACMS are designed for "deep attack of enemy second-echelon forces," a U.S. Army website says, and could be used to attack command and control centers, air defenses and logistics sites well behind the front line...

REUTERS LINK

[Nickdfresh]

Putin's real death toll of his "meat":

The current Western intelligence believes Russia has lost 120,000 dead and 180,000 wounded. That's a horrifying statistic not just because of the total number but the casualty ratio of 1:1.5 dead to wounded is almost a medieval number showing the Russian gov't gives no shits about their wounded and seems to have a policy about leaving behind dead and wounded so they are MIA and no payments/benefits have to be made to the family, or are at least deferred. Modern combat models should be about 1:3 dead-to-wounded IIRC with modern battlefield medicine, probably better...

[Kristy]

80 tanks - in one day.

[Nickdfresh]

Russians and their high tank losses:

[Nickdfresh]

Fucking Ruscist pig describes torture and war crimes to his cunt mother on intercepted call, then are identified!: