Trump Is Fucked

[Kristy]

Cannot stand David Pac Man. The dude is a limp-wristed Seder wannabe with a condescending attitude worse than that oil leaking F A T fuck Puke Yugar. He's also an anti-weed Nazi fuck monk. Does he has a point here? I don't know.

[FORD]

[Kristy]

Not at all looking good for orange F A T T Y

In pre-trading hours on Monday, Trump Media & Technology Group fell more than 10%, falling from approximately $29 to $27. The fall came as Trump headed into a Manhattan courtroom where he faces more than 30 charges over a hush money payment made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels to cover up an alleged affair.

[ZahZoo]

I understand your point that isolationist shit reduces power and influence plus opens up other countries to be bullied by some other less desirable faction... China for example.

But one point you made in reference to soft power... being cheap and no one dies... struck me as true to a degree, but wasn't that soft power achieved by both the UK and US through massive expensive military conquest and a whole lot of people dying to reach that power point..?

[Seshmeister]

Plus many who would prefer we cleanup our domestic issues rather than trying to solve or funding global conflicts.

Yeah but it's just childish rubbish to think like that.

It's just not how the world works any more if it ever did.

Spurious example but I went to do a charitable job in Ghana a couple of years ago to help kids with heart disease and the invasion of Ukraine meant that a router for internet access to the clinic didn't arrive and a bunch of money was wasted flying me there. This stuff happens all the time. Biden or Trump doesn't get to choose their inflation.

Solving global conflicts saves and makes money. Spending a trillion on a pointless war in Iraq doesn't for 99.9% of Americans who didn't own shares in Halliburton or whatever.

Soft power is the best power. The US and the UK used to be brilliant at that. It's cheap and no one dies. Now our idiot politicians have lost us a bunch of it partly by losing the high ground but mainly by this isiolationist shit.

We are being replaced all over the world by China in this and it's depressing.

[FORD]

[ZahZoo]

Is this the 'Great Again' time though or was it before then?

Also it is worth mentioning that Nixon resigned when the Republican senators stood up to him over his unacceptable behavior...

To be honest, I have no idea if there's a specific era or time period referenced in the Make America Great Again slogan... to me it's just a vague marketing slogan meant to tap into a sense of patriotism when folks thought the US was a respected leader domestically and internationally.

You could pick any era from post WWII to present and find something to be less than proud of in US culture, world affairs, etc.

There is a strong sentiment of America first that's predominate among the middle of the political spectrum. Plus many who would prefer we cleanup our domestic issues rather than trying to solve or funding global conflicts.

[Seshmeister]

When you frame current events over the last 5-7 years with the time I referred to involving the Civil Rights movement and the war in Vietnam and associated riots, civil unrest and brutal violent climate within the US comparing then and now... it's a really stark difference between then and now.

Both sides were much more extreme by comparison... domestic terrorism, church bombings, lynching, rampant violence and then contrast that with the government actions of mass incarcerations, beatings and shooting truly non-violent protestors, and subversive domestic policies enacted at federal, state and local levels.

Is this the 'Great Again' time though or was it before then?

Also it is worth mentioning that Nixon resigned when the Republican senators stood up to him over his unacceptable behavior...

[ZahZoo]

Yeah if you listen to the tapes of some of the stuff those guys said in the Whitehouse it's really out there but I would still argue this is a whole new level and forgetting opinions the facts on Trump are beyond anything like that.

When you frame current events over the last 5-7 years with the time I referred to involving the Civil Rights movement and the war in Vietnam and associated riots, civil unrest and brutal violent climate within the US comparing then and now... it's a really stark difference between then and now.

Both sides were much more extreme by comparison... domestic terrorism, church bombings, lynching, rampant violence and then contrast that with the government actions of mass incarcerations, beatings and shooting truly non-violent protestors, and subversive domestic policies enacted at federal, state and local levels.

It really doesn't compare to the nonsense of Trump running his filthy mouth, the Jan 6th civil unrest and associated bullshit. I find many reactions today far too extreme and the emotionally overblown moral outrage is just laughable... based on what really occurred today verses the mass atrocities that went on when I was kid.

Seems like all of you outraged pussies need to grow some spine and calm the fuck down...

[Nickdfresh]

What is "TDS"? Is that like Maga cuimstains all over your face, brainless prick?

[Von Halen]

Who has a worse case of TDS?

FROD
Nickdelusional

[FORD]

[FORD]

[Rikk]

[color=yellow]
One day before the riot, trial evidence showed, Johnatakis posted on social media, “Burn the city down. What the British did to DC will be nothing.”

As he marched to the Capitol the next day, he posted video of himself saying, “We’re walking over to the Capitol right now, and I don’t know, maybe we’ll break down the doors.”

There, he made his way to the front of a mob. Yelling through a megaphone he brought, Johnatakis organized a charge against police, shouting, “One, two, three, go!” and getting rioters to raise a metal bike rack barricade and slam it against police. The assault was confirmed on body-camera video and by officers who said they were seriously injured and feared for their lives.

“Mr. Johnatakis and the others then raised the barriers higher until they were about head-level with the officers, so that the mob could brawl with the officers without the barriers getting in the way,” Lamberth wrote in the filing.

The attack permitted rioters to overwhelm the final police line defending a staircase on the southwest side of the Capitol and to breach the building immediately afterward, forcing the evacuation of the Capitol.

As he left, Johnatakis boasted on video, “We probably would have murdered a few of” the lawmakers “had we seen exactly who they were.”[/color=yellow]

Ah...yes. But didn't you hear? It was all Ray Epps' fault.

And people saying they're going to "burn the city down" and "murder a few of (the lawmakers)" inside the Capitol building to prevent the peaceful and legal transfer of power following a national election apparently aren't committing insurrection. They're "tourists."

[Seshmeister]

Judge to backers of Jan. 6 rioter: Don’t condone political violence
The move by U.S. Judge Royce C. Lamberth is the latest in broad, public push by federal judges against Jan. 6 revisionism

By Spencer S. Hsu
April 4, 2024 at 4:12 p.m. EDT

A Republican-appointed judge said he plans to send a written response to supporters of a Jan. 6 rioter who claimed that he did nothing wrong, warning the man’s friends and family members that justifying political violence risks further violence in a “vicious cycle” that “rots republics.”


In an unusual step, U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth filed on the public docket the statement he prepared to sentence Taylor James Johnatakis to more than seven years in prison. Even more atypically, he said he would order his clerk to mail copies to 20 people who wrote letters supporting the defendant — the first time he had done so in his 37-year career — to explain his reasoning.

“January 6 must not become a precedent for further violence against political opponents or governmental institutions,” Lamberth wrote. “This is not normal. This cannot become normal. We as a community, we as a society, we as a country cannot condone the normalization of the January 6 Capitol riot.”



The judge’s move is the latest in a wider public push by federal judges in Washington to counter what polling shows is an uptick in public acceptance of the violent breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, fueled by former president Donald Trump’s escalating rhetoric casting defendants as “political prisoners” and “hostages” who did nothing wrong. Trump has pledged to pardon Capitol riot defendants, including those who assaulted police.

In federal court in D.C. on Wednesday, Lamberth said he took “no great pleasure in locking up defendants who led good lives until their actions on January 6, 2021,” but explained, “In our system of justice, we punish people not for their overall character, but for their actions.”

The judge — a Texas-born son of an Army pool mechanic who served in Vietnam as an Army lawyer and who was appointed to the bench in 1987 by Ronald Reagan — said Johnatakis, a 40-year-old from Washington state, appeared to show no true remorse for what he did. The judge also said he was struck that few of his supporters “seem to know what he actually did.” One wrote that the defendant “never would” do anything violent and another said he got “caught up” in the crowd, the judge said.

“In fact it was Mr. Johnatakis himself who organized protesters to violence that day,” Lamberth said. “Mr. Johnatakis was a leader. He knew what he was doing that day.”

One day before the riot, trial evidence showed, Johnatakis posted on social media, “Burn the city down. What the British did to DC will be nothing.”

As he marched to the Capitol the next day, he posted video of himself saying, “We’re walking over to the Capitol right now, and I don’t know, maybe we’ll break down the doors.”

There, he made his way to the front of a mob. Yelling through a megaphone he brought, Johnatakis organized a charge against police, shouting, “One, two, three, go!” and getting rioters to raise a metal bike rack barricade and slam it against police. The assault was confirmed on body-camera video and by officers who said they were seriously injured and feared for their lives.

“Mr. Johnatakis and the others then raised the barriers higher until they were about head-level with the officers, so that the mob could brawl with the officers without the barriers getting in the way,” Lamberth wrote in the filing.

The attack permitted rioters to overwhelm the final police line defending a staircase on the southwest side of the Capitol and to breach the building immediately afterward, forcing the evacuation of the Capitol.

As he left, Johnatakis boasted on video, “We probably would have murdered a few of” the lawmakers “had we seen exactly who they were.”



Continues at https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...-judge-letter/