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  • Nickdfresh
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    • Oct 2004
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    #46
    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    Or you just have idiot strawman points made by stupid, unread people. Um, many of the immigrants are hired by Republican-led business entities and part of that is keeping wages down. The Cartels could give a fuck about immigrants and their drugs are coming here due to massive demand and is a completely separate issue. The US also helps arm the cartels with our lax firearm laws. But please tell us what "Dem leader" said anything like that as nearly all voted for increased border security at every turn. Also please tell us why the US doesn't just end "illegal immigration" by jailing or suing all leadership in any business that knowingly hires them?
    It was a trick question, moron. Here's why!:

    Demonizing immigrants played a key role in Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency, just as cracking down on “illegal” border crossings and whipping the base into a frenzy over a so-called migrant “invasion” has been a regular feature of his time in office and reelection efforts. But undocumented immigrants have also served another, lesser known but nevertheless vital function in the president’s life: providing cheap labor at his businesses. And not just, like, in years past, or in the first few months of his presidency, but as of—what’s that now?—today. Yes, it’s a tough job to foam at the mouth daily about people entering the country without going through the proper channels first, use it to justify separating families and sending people back to nations they’ve never known—all the while relying on them to keep your golf clubs running—but somebody’s got to do it!

    The Washington Post reports that the Trump Organization currently employs a “roving crew of Latin American employees” to perform masonry and maintenance work at his winery and various golf clubs around the country. For almost two decades, the group has been comprised of workers who came into the US illegally—the penalty for which the president seemingly believes should be death—according to two former crew members. Another one, who still works for Trump, told reporters Joshua Partlow and David A. Fahrenthold that remains the case today. President Trump “doesn’t want undocumented people in the country,” said Jorge Castro, an Ecuadorian immigrant without legal status who left the company last spring after nine years. “But at his properties, he still has them.” He added: “If you’re a good worker, papers don’t matter.”



    In the summer of 1980, Donald Trump faced a big problem. For six months, undocumented Polish laborers had been clearing the future site of Trump Tower, his signature real estate project on Manhattan’s Fifth Avenue, where he now lives, maintains his private offices and hosts his presidential campaign.

    The men were putting in 12-hour shifts with inadequate safety equipment at subpar wages that their contractor paid sporadically, if at all. A lawyer for many of the Poles demanded that the workers be paid or else he would serve Trump with a lien on the property. One Polish worker even went to Trump’s office to ask him for money in person, according to sworn testimony and a deposition filed under oath in a court case.

    For help, Trump turned to Daniel Sullivan, a 6-ft. 5-in., 285-lb. labor consultant, FBI informant and future officer of the Teamsters Union. “Donald told me he had difficulties …,” Sullivan later testified in the case. “That he had some illegal Polish employees on the job.”
    He has long denied knowingly using undocumented workers to demolish the building that would be replaced with Trump Tower


    "Build a wall" You hypocrite tards of fuck!
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    • Rikk
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      • Jan 2004
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      #47
      Originally posted by Romeo Delight
      I mean sure. you can rationalize all of this stuff all ways. Looks like you are trying to obscure this specific instance though. They honoured an SS Volunteer! He volunteered for the SS! Please leave the rationalizations. We can do that infinitum
      And I add to you this:

      We have a President who took the time, after a massive, violent racist rally that resulted in many beatings, racial violence and murder, to praise the Nazis in Charlottesville. And I, to this day, have no heard one single word from a MAGA or barely a Republican denouncing those words.

      And the difference between that and what happened in Canada is: the man praising the racists was 100% aware of what they had done...and it had not been 70 years earlier. It had been that very weekend!!

      You idiots find some convenient incident to justify your cult allegiance and cult-like hatred for anyone on the other side that you carefully pick factors that work for your "cause." It's the very definition of pseudo-science.
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      Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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      • Romeo Delight
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        • Feb 2005
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        #48
        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
        Or you just have idiot strawman points made by stupid, unread people. Um, many of the immigrants are hired by Republican-led business entities and part of that is keeping wages down. The Cartels could give a fuck about immigrants and their drugs are coming here due to massive demand and is a completely separate issue. The US also helps arm the cartels with our lax firearm laws. But please tell us what "Dem leader" said anything like that as nearly all voted for increased border security at every turn. Also please tell us why the US doesn't just end "illegal immigration" by jailing or suing all leadership in any business that knowingly hires them?
        I know having a memory looking back more than a few weeks is hard, as is looking beyond one's political tribe. But this provides a somewhat balanced take:

        America’s broken immigration system has spawned a national fight, but Congress lacks the political will to fix it.


        Prior to the election, Biden essentially invited the world to come. It's just true. You can say it isn't but you are lying to yourself.

        Mayorkas said innumerable times that we needed cheap labour...he called them something more polite, but he essentially again, basically said its a need needed to be filled.

        As the article states, it's only when Dem sanctuary cities saw the pain did Biden only then make any public statement saying maybe you shouldn't come to the border.

        This is entirely a problem amplified and made untenable by the Dems. It's not even debatable. Of course every administration could have done better. This however was a complete disaster and done so for purposes of power and aligning to pay back the ideological base.

        If you can't admit some fault on the current administration (I am not going to unearth the 100 video pieces of video evidence) I am not sure there is much hope. Instead of saying, "But Trump..." How about examing the current admin and their approach from before the election and afterwards and be honest with yourself?

        It won't happen. Tribalism on the left is all you have. Cause you can't back up your position any other way.
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        • Romeo Delight
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          #49
          Originally posted by Rikk
          And I add to you this:

          We have a President who took the time, after a massive, violent racist rally that resulted in many beatings, racial violence and murder, to praise the Nazis in Charlottesville. And I, to this day, have no heard one single word from a MAGA or barely a Republican denouncing those words.

          And the difference between that and what happened in Canada is: the man praising the racists was 100% aware of what they had done...and it had not been 70 years earlier. It had been that very weekend!!

          You idiots find some convenient incident to justify your cult allegiance and cult-like hatred for anyone on the other side that you carefully pick factors that work for your "cause." It's the very definition of pseudo-science.
          Here's the thing...I don't actually believe Trudeau is a Nazi sympathiser. However, he is certainly corrupt, is verrrrrry fond of authoritarianism, censorship, and many other hallmarks of that type of movement. More than anything, he is utterly inept and beholden to WEF etc, looking to find his next gig, the people of the country he governs be damned.
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          • Romeo Delight
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            • Feb 2005
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            #50
            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
            Info on this guy:





            He was dumb but he was 18 and he was hardly a concentration camp commandant...
            Are you seriously quoting Wikepedia as the source...yikes

            The can of worms you are opening up is an entirely different one. What is the criteria for being a real Nazi? Interesting this tide of forgiveness for actual NAZIS is happenning now, when the Dems are balls deep supporting a very corrupt regime.

            All anyone is really saying is he is no hero. He shouldnt be honored in any Political House. And by impl8ication, the ruling party in Canada is completely incompetent.
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            • Nickdfresh
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              • Oct 2004
              • 49318

              #51
              Originally posted by Romeo Delight
              I know having a memory looking back more than a few weeks is hard, as is looking beyond one's political tribe. But this provides a somewhat balanced take:

              America’s broken immigration system has spawned a national fight, but Congress lacks the political will to fix it.


              Prior to the election, Biden essentially invited the world to come. It's just true. You can say it isn't but you are lying to yourself.

              Mayorkas said innumerable times that we needed cheap labour...he called them something more polite, but he essentially again, basically said its a need needed to be filled.

              As the article states, it's only when Dem sanctuary cities saw the pain did Biden only then make any public statement saying maybe you shouldn't come to the border.

              This is entirely a problem amplified and made untenable by the Dems. It's not even debatable. Of course every administration could have done better. This however was a complete disaster and done so for purposes of power and aligning to pay back the ideological base.

              If you can't admit some fault on the current administration (I am not going to unearth the 100 video pieces of video evidence) I am not sure there is much hope. Instead of saying, "But Trump..." How about examing the current admin and their approach from before the election and afterwards and be honest with yourself?

              It won't happen. Tribalism on the left is all you have. Cause you can't back up your position any other way.
              Firstly you're Canadian, and I think you lack a grasp of our political tribes here.

              Um, no he didn't say that and feel free to quote anything like that because the New Yorker article you provided clearly blames Republicans more than Biden and the Democrats but infers they are complicit as well. The truth is that we need a guest worker program like most other nations have but no one wants to really institute one.

              Illegal immigration has been around since at least the early part of the last century and certainly the one preceding it. The irony is that it was when we started with the massive barriers and fences that "they" stayed here as opposed to moving back and forth across the border seasonally as they had done since it really became an issue in maybe the 1950's, but it intensified in the 70's and 80's IIRC and up until recently was a big factor in the fact that US farm owners and corporate ag didn't have to pay the minimum wage or pay OT to workers. Not saying the Dem's don't suck too, but clearly it's mainly Republican elites that want their cake and eat it too. They want cheap labor but also want a histrionic political wedge issue to garner votes.
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              • Nickdfresh
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                • Oct 2004
                • 49318

                #52
                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                Here's the thing...I don't actually believe Trudeau is a Nazi sympathiser. However, he is certainly corrupt, is verrrrrry fond of authoritarianism, censorship, and many other hallmarks of that type of movement. More than anything, he is utterly inept and beholden to WEF etc, looking to find his next gig, the people of the country he governs be damned.
                Of course he's not, it was a stupid gaffe not any ideological alignment. I'd love to have specific examples of "censorship" up there. I'm only going on that Canadian Psyche professor turned right wing political pundit claiming he's being "censored" because he cannot call himself a "Dr." if he keeps up a belligerent and mocking tone of personal attacks on people he deems culturally "WOKE" or whatever. But his speech isn't being censored, just the fact that he signed a pledge based on the Hippocratic oath as a medical professional or whatever and if that is violated you can be sort of defrocked just as a priest or lawyer can be stripped of their right to practice law (disbarred) if they engage in improprieties that aren't even necessarily illegal...

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                • Nickdfresh
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                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49318

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                  Are you seriously quoting Wikepedia as the source...yikes

                  The can of worms you are opening up is an entirely different one. What is the criteria for being a real Nazi? Interesting this tide of forgiveness for actual NAZIS is happenning now, when the Dems are balls deep supporting a very corrupt regime.

                  All anyone is really saying is he is no hero. He shouldnt be honored in any Political House. And by impl8ication, the ruling party in Canada is completely incompetent.
                  Do you have a better source? If you have some issue with Wiki fine, but it seems like an ignorant blanket statement and feel free to determine the false source where it was cited. Incidentally, the article used a CBC report that was factchecked by journalists. But feel free to tell us how much power in Nazi decision-making an 18-year old had. There is a difference in serving in the Galician SS mid-War and being in the Einsatzgruppen or something circa-1941, it's not the same thing or level of service. It seems the right is trying to imply some wider parallel but that doesn't give people the right to remove context or mischaracterize with false equivalizes. Some SS forces committed few or no atrocities we associate with Nazim and some regular Wehrmacht Army (Heer) units assisted in massacres of Jews, Soviet POW's, and communist authorities. But in general the Waffen-SS (the SS combat arm) overall were the main bastards behind murders of Allied POW's but a different SS organization entirely were the ones that guarded and ran the concentration camps (SS-Totenkopfverbände). And some Waffen-SS units were far worse than others (i.e.: SS-Totenkapf and the SS-Hiter Youth units were by far the worst in the West front)...

                  I agree he shouldn't be honored anywhere in a official capacity and it was weird that he was invited, but guessing if this had been a Conservative gaffe you wouldn't have given one fuck and never posted this thread. I learned a while back researching the Holodomor that Canada has a larger Ukrainian cultural lobby than the US of emigres. The previous Pope worked as an AA gunner in the German Wehrmacht. He was drafted and faced death if he refused, does that preclude him from public life?
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                  • Romeo Delight
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                    • Feb 2005
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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    Firstly you're Canadian, and I think you lack a grasp of our political tribes here.

                    Um, no he didn't say that and feel free to quote anything like that because the New Yorker article you provided clearly blames Republicans more than Biden and the Democrats but infers they are complicit as well. The truth is that we need a guest worker program like most other nations have but no one wants to really institute one.

                    Illegal immigration has been around since at least the early part of the last century and certainly the one preceding it. The irony is that it was when we started with the massive barriers and fences that "they" stayed here as opposed to moving back and forth across the border seasonally as they had done since it really became an issue in maybe the 1950's, but it intensified in the 70's and 80's IIRC and up until recently was a big factor in the fact that US farm owners and corporate ag didn't have to pay the minimum wage or pay OT to workers. Not saying the Dem's don't suck too, but clearly it's mainly Republican elites that want their cake and eat it too. They want cheap labor but also want a histrionic political wedge issue to garner votes.
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                    He didn't say that? Ok, can we at least put that argument to rest...here is just one video.

                    It's just not being intellectually honest with yourself, let alone me, if you argue that Biden's uber focus on reforming immigration and the months of talk about creating more open borders wouldn't have an impact. No sane person can argue this, but apparently you and others can. Again, the partisanship and willingness to blindly follow your tribe's narrative is so painful. Any reasonable person understands this messaging gets out and changes behaviours. Once organized crime gets ahold of this, its now a huge business opportunity for drug distribution,etc. To suggest otherwise is obtuse, and displays your allegiances more than any sound reasoning

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                    • Romeo Delight
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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      Do you have a better source? If you have some issue with Wiki fine, but it seems like an ignorant blanket statement and feel free to determine the false source where it was cited. Incidentally, the article used a CBC report that was factchecked by journalists. ...
                      There really aren't many in Canada who believe the CBC is a reliable news organization. Such a shame as this wasn't always the case.

                      They are funded by the Federal government and almost never critique the Federal Liberal party. Question period is a series of softballs thrown the Prime Minitser's way. It's sad. Thankfully indpenedant media is leading the way.

                      Again, this argument about who is a NAzi, who should be prosecuted for War crimes, etc, is an entirely different discussion.

                      The reason why this story is important in a Canadian specific context is that Trudeau and his enture Liberal party has called those who disagree with him Nazis. Portrayed any dissent as racist, mysoginistic, and hate-filled. Said that the Trucker protest should not be allowed because it dissents with givernment policies (yes he actually said this) What is a protest for if not to voice concern over government policy??? Good lord. One flag appeared breifly at one trucker protest (likely a plant) and now the entire protest was Maga supported, supporting Nazis, etc. Ridiculous. It was the most Canadian protest ever...polite, family filled, super peaceful. Rights were ripped away, bank accounts frozen, and for some just for donating online!!! One of the banks later apologized, but its a stain on our history.

                      So when a Cdn government blindy follows a corrupt political regime in Ukraine with far right leanings, no elections, no oversights, blindly, without end apparently, and then invites an SS volunteer to the House, yes, we have questions...is that ok? Again, questions are a hallmark of a free and democratic society.

                      There is also the question of how many Nazis Canada allowed to come into the country so many years ago. Deputy PM Freeland's own family may well have a sordid history there. Her grandfather was an editor of a Nazi newspaper
                      Last edited by Nickdfresh; 10-01-2023, 05:56 PM. Reason: Hit the wrong button so correcting and reposting
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                      • Romeo Delight
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                        • Feb 2005
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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                        Of course he's not, it was a stupid gaffe not any ideological alignment. I'd love to have specific examples of "censorship" up there. I'm only going on that Canadian Psyche professor turned right wing political pundit claiming he's being "censored" because he cannot call himself a "Dr." if he keeps up a belligerent and mocking tone of personal attacks on people he deems culturally "WOKE" or whatever. But his speech isn't being censored, just the fact that he signed a pledge based on the Hippocratic oath as a medical professional or whatever and if that is violated you can be sort of defrocked just as a priest or lawyer can be stripped of their right to practice law (disbarred) if they engage in improprieties that aren't even necessarily illegal...
                        How much time do you have? I don't think you have spent much time listening to Dr. Peterson. If you are looking at 2 min clips and think he is a right wing pundit, you are so wrong.

                        I would say you haven't put in the time to be able to discuss this with any intelligence. If you are relying on your tribe for reference and context, perhaps question that source and look deeper into the published content.
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                        • Romeo Delight
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                          #57
                          Here is just one example of Trudea's authoritarian measures.



                          Last edited by Romeo Delight; 10-01-2023, 01:32 PM.
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                          • Romeo Delight
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                            #58
                            Freeland is Deputy Prime Minister. Is it ok Nickd if we ask a few questions about why an actual Nazi was in the House? See below Thanks,

                            Chrystia Freeland’s granddad was indeed a Nazi collaborator – so much for Russian disinformation

                            The Ukraine Archival Records held by the Province of Alberta. It has a whole file on Chomiak, including his own details about his days editing the newspaper Krakivski Visti. Chomiak noted he edited the paper first in Crakow (Cracow), Poland and then in Vienna. The reason he edited the paper in Vienna was because he had to flee with his Nazis colleagues as the Russians advanced into Poland. (The Russians tended to execute collaborators well as SS members).

                            On Wednesday the Globe and Mail reported that, “Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland knew for more than two decades that her maternal Ukrainian grandfather was the chief editor of a Nazi newspaper.”

                            Link here:

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                            • Romeo Delight
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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              Firstly you're Canadian, and I think you lack a grasp of our political tribes here.


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                              This is actually a feature/benefit and not an inhibitor. Your weakness in not being able to see outside your tribe's rhetoric and lines in the sand.
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                              • Rikk
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                                • Jan 2004
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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                There really aren't many in Canada who believe the CBC is a reliable news organization. Such a shame as this wasn't always the case.
                                People should fact-check you more. You ramble on with large, unsupported ravings, thinking people will just take you at your word. And meanwhile, I counted 8 spelling mistakes in just one post you made. Were you sick the 13 (or 14) years they taught you literacy in Canadian schools? (I went to those same schools.)

                                Between 2019 to 2023, 56% to 80% of Canadians said they support, believe and find reliable the news they get from the CBC.

                                When I moved to Chicago from Canada, I was awestruck by the media bias that I found here compared to the Great White North.

                                The CBC frequently reports stories attacking politicians in all parties.

                                You DO NOT find that in the States. Yes, CNN or MSNBC will take the time to go after Ralph Northam or sometimes AOC, but yes, there is a bias since the age of Trump. Of course, sometimes all they have to do is fact-check Trump. There were 30,573 verified lies during his four years in office (to say nothing of lies since he left office or in his campaign before taking office).

                                There is nothing as sick, twisted and dishonest as FoxNews in Canada. FoxNews literally has valid and likely successful lawsuits against them for knowingly reporting outright lies. On issues detrimental to their "cause," they simply report nothing. Hell, CBC at least reports on themselves...even if they're in hot-water about something. Fox reported virtually nothing about Dominion's lawsuit whatsoever, the settlement, etc. When election lies were proved false, FoxNews simply chose to report nothing. Yet, funny enough, I NEVER see you complain about this or comment on this at all.

                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                They are funded by the Federal government and almost never critique the Federal Liberal party. Question period is a series of softballs thrown the Prime Minitser's way. It's sad.
                                AllSides Independent MediaBias rating/review in July 2022 determined the following: "Both the panelist on the left and the panelist on the right found the majority of news reporting to be neutral and fact-based; however, all panelists agreed that CBC News takes a lean left stance on coverage of social issues, and shows left-leaning word choice bias and bias by omission."

                                In other words, yes, bias. But not outright lies. When it comes to social issues, they definitely used a biased word choice when it came to editorials, opinions and occasionally reported bias-by-omission. This is still a LONG WAY OFF from FoxNews's outright lying or refusing to correct a story when fact-checked. There was a similar statistic showing that Fox and other conservative outlets in the States projected bias-by-omission 500% more than an equivalent news period for the CBC.

                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                Thankfully indpenedant media is leading the way.
                                CBC is definitely second to CTVNews. They are also seen as the least-biased news source in independent fact-checking.

                                CTVNews correctly attacks Trudeau for all sorts of reasons. Interestingly, CTVNews also very regularly & correctly attacks Trump for his litany of crimes and Republican lies. They are quite good at fact-checking Trump with regards to various subjects, such as the January 6 Insurrection, the attempted Election Steal, they frequently listed his courtroom defeats and litany of lies regarding the election...as well as a far more fact-based assessment of Trump's hypocritical and dishonest stance when it comes to the state of the American/Mexican border and use of cheap labor by Republicans.

                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                They are funded by the Federal government and almost never critique the Federal Liberal party.
                                I went on Google. In 60 seconds, I found 17 stories by the CBC showing them criticizing or attack Trudeau and the Liberals for wrong-headed policy decisions or government lies.

                                Yeah, they're not exactly the more dishonest (and yes, privately-owned) FoxNews.

                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                Again, this argument about who is a NAzi, who should be prosecuted for War crimes, etc, is an entirely different discussion.
                                This was reported by CTVNews five days ago (NOT CBC): "While Hunka was part of the unit, it was not immediately known what role he played in its operations, and some say allegations of war crimes against the division cannot be confirmed. Katchanovski has shared patriotic blog posts apparently written by Hunka(opens in a new tab) in Ukrainian, which describe growing up in the country amid Soviet and German occupation, and enlisting in the SS Galicia Division in 1943."

                                So, again...not defending his unit but saying there is no direct evidence that this man nor his specific unit were directly involved in war crimes.

                                I agree...it's very possible. BUT YOU, ROMEO DELIGHT, GAIN NO LEGITIMACY WHEN YOU MAKE STATEMENTS AS FACT THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CORROBORATED.

                                I want to clarify: I am not defending him, nor am I defending the ridiculousness of the standing ovation.

                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                The reason why thsi story is important in a Canadian specific context is that Trudeau and his enture Liberal party has called those who disagree with him Nazis. Portrayed any dissent as racist, mysoginistic, and hate-filled. Said that the Trucker protest should not be allowed because it dissents with givernment policies (yes he actually said this) What is a protest for if not to voice concern over government policy??? Good lord. One flag appeared breifly at one trucker protest (likely a plant) and now the entire protest was Maga supported, supporting Nazis, etc. Ridiculous. It was the most Canadian protest ever...polite, family filled, super peaceful. Rights were ripped away, bank accounts frozen, and for some just for donating online!!! One of the banks later apologized, but its a stain on our history.
                                LMFAO!!!!!!

                                Here are some Reuters, AP and Fact-Checked bits you're either hiding or actually ignorant of regarding the "most Canadian protest ever."

                                . Approximately 44% of the almost $10 million in contributions to support the protesters originated from U.S. donors, according to an Associated Press analysis of leaked donor files. U.S. Republican elected officials, including Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, have praised the protesters calling them "heroes" and "patriots."

                                . Political analysts noted how carefully the "most Canadian protest ever" occurred in the lead-up to the 2022 U.S. Midterms.

                                . GiveSendGo, a website used to collect donations for the Canadian protests, has collected at least $9.58 million dollars, including $4.2 million, or 44%, that originated in the United States, according to a database of donor information posted online by DDoSecrets, a non-profit group.

                                . The GiveSendGo database analyzed by AP showed more than 109,000 donations in the early period of the protests to campaigns in support of the protests, with a little under 62,000 coming from the U.S.

                                . The single-largest single donation of $90,000 came from a person who identified himself as Thomas M. Siebel. Siebel has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republican candidates and organizations over the last 25 years, according to Federal Election Commission records, including a $400,000 contribution in 2019 to a GOP fundraising committee called "Take Back the House 2020."

                                . Michael Flynn himself began a funding campaign, urging people to donate to the Canadian protesters.

                                . Sen. Rand Paul said he hopes truckers come to America and "clog up cities" in an interview with the Daily Signal, a news website of the conservative Heritage Foundation.

                                . This was a criminal blockade, resulting in over $6 billion worth of economic damage in Canada alone...all over fucking COVID-19 mandates (which most people in Canada, AND the States, supported).

                                . I used to live in Windsor. I had friends there that actually lost jobs (a few permanently, due to the crippling effect on traffic, businesses and the local economy). And this is just the LOCAL WINDSOR ECONOMY!!!

                                . The multi-day blockades of three border crossings between our two countries blocked an estimated $3.64 billion worth of goods (almost $3 billion in American dollars).

                                . The Ottawa occupation also shutdown Canada's fourth-busiest mall, the Rideau Centre, for 24 days, costing an estimated $70 million in lost sales, according to the Retail Council of Canada. The closure also left scores of mall staff out of work.

                                . Downtown residents and businesses have filed a $306 million class action lawsuit against the "Freedom Convoy" for disrupting their lives and livelihoods.

                                Here are some other specific statistics, Romeo Delight:

                                . Emerson crossing (6 days): $438 million in Canada/U.S. trade completely stopped by border-blocking.
                                . Coutts crossing (18 days): $864 million in Canada/U.S. trade completely stopped by border-blocking.
                                . Ambassador Bridge crossing, where I used to live (6 days): $2 billion $340 million in Canada/U.S. trade completely stopped by border-blocking.

                                The economic impact on both sides of the border, but especially in Canada, was devastating.

                                But according to you, this massively U.S.-funded "freedom protest" was some sort of peaceful protest. I can count on three hands the number of people I know who lost jobs and/or money because of these insane actions over a fucking vaccine mandate during a pandemic that has killed 1,144,539 in the United States so far and 53,793 in Canada so far.

                                The protest was "shit-stirring" and nothing more. It was designed as Conservative grand-standing, who cares who it hurts. People like Ted Cruz funding or encouraging what is truly criminal behavior at our borders, designed to harm the economy of both of our countries, is defended only by far-right nutjobs. Most of Canada was furious. Most of America too.

                                And there's a lot you could attack Trudeau for. Most of my Canadian friends hate the guy. But this was one moment during which they actually were instead attacking him for "not taking action sooner."

                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                So when a Cdn government blindy follows a corrupt political regime in Ukraine with far right leanings...
                                Interesting lie. During Ukraine's post-Soviet history, the far-right has remained on the political periphery and been largely excluded from national politics since independence in 1991.

                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                ...no elections...
                                Another lie. Since the establishment of the position of the President of Ukraine in 1991, the presidential elections have taken place seven times: in 1991, 1994, 1999, 2004, 2010, 2014 and 2019.

                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                ...no oversights...
                                Really? How do you define this? (And don't try and repeat your lies about "far-right" Ukraine or "no elections."

                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                ...blindly, without end apparently...
                                Uh, no. Canada, like most of the Democratic world, has been unilaterally against illegal invasion of Ukraine since the beginning...and will do so until Putin (who really has had his ass handed to him, for the most part) gets the fuck out of Ukraine. For Christ's sake, Putin almost had a coup earlier this year. Don't you ever pick up a fucking newspaper or read something that isn't Breitbart or FoxNews?

                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                ...and then invites an SS volunteer to the House, yes, we have questions...is that ok?
                                Oh, yes. The Canadian government deserves to have their ass handed to them for this ridiculous embarrassment. But for you to then take that and then USE IT to make up a bunch of completely pig-headed lies about the Ukraine country or the "glory" of a bullshit protest that was designed to stir shit, crippling the economy and funded by Conservative assholes...that's just bad arguing. And immoral, even if you truly are as ignorant of the facts as you seem to be.

                                Originally posted by Romeo Delight
                                Again, questions are a hallmark of a free and democratic society.
                                Yes, they are. You ask questions in a very Tucker kinda way. And Nick & I (and others) have a right to call you out on you the incredible litany of lies (and terrible writing) you place in your sprawling, nonsense-filled posts.

                                As a footnote, I'd LOVE to see what the far-right would say if Biden were involved in such a crippling attack on our respective economies. No bullshit argument, like those you attempted today, would cause them to back down. Those border shutdowns hurt so many people. Listening to MAGAs reminisce on it as if they're talking about Martin Luther King's Washington 1963 gathering is one of the more fucked-up things I've seen in recent years...

                                ...though it still doesn't compare to the awful moments I spent trying to explain to my child why armed idiots were attacking and even killing cops at our Capitol...firing guns inside the Capitol Building...chasing after our Vice-President as he was taken to the basement, the nuclear codes handcuffed to his wrists...
                                Roth Army Militia

                                Originally posted by WARF
                                Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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