How? You didn't avoid a rabbit hole. You just ignored his point.
It's what you do.
You've done that with at least five direct questions I gave you after providing evidence that contradicted you.
I get it. You don't like Trudeau. I don't live in Canada anymore and pay little attention to him. I can say that none of my friends or family still in Canada support the guy. In fact, every time I do my annual cottage weekend with the guys in Ontario, they don't stop raving on about him.
BUT...you make big arguments about Trudeau supporting a "Nazi." But when Nick asks you questions about what constitutes a true "Nazi," you say, "I'm not going down that rabbit hole." But that's the problem. If you attack someone for supporting a Nazi, and someone else points out that you seem to support other people who have no problems with Nazis, you can't just say, "I'm not going down that rabbit hole."
That's absolute hypocrisy and bullshit. You want to call someone out for "supporting a Nazi," don't avoid the issue when someone points out that you're very seemingly supporting someone else who supports Nazis.
You don't seem like a dumb guy. So, even YOU can see that.
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Oh my God, shut up!
The problem with you, RD, is that you make all these "nutjob on a box" posts, raving on that you know how people feel. You almost constantly talk about how people feel. You make comments like "the majority of Canadians"... THEN, naturally, someone will call you out on your bullshit by posting the results of a poll. AND THEN...you completely ignore the fact that the poll results completely contradict your point and instead say, "Wow, you love polls, don't you?"
Because, what is a more scientific/logical way of discussing how people feel?
ROMEO DELIGHT: "The majority of people feel..." (you just pulling that out of your ass, like the rest of your posts featuring broad generalizations and zero evidence, with the odd editorial link)
MOST PEOPLE DEBATING: Polls. You say "the majority of people feel," people who actually like to call you out on your bullshit simply prove you wrong by providing poll results.
I know facts are pesky for you when arguing because they undermine your "gut feeling" arguments, saying all sorts of moronic things without evidence, like "The Ukrainians have had no elections." And, when someone points out how full of shit you are, as I did when I listed Ukrainian National Elections since 1991, you ignore it and make some sort of irrelevant complaint, like "Wow, you like polls."
Try this one on for size. Try five posts, actually citing data, polls, dates, numbers...without one single post to which you simply provide links to five biased editorials.
Let's see if you can do it.
I'm not saying Nick & I never post links to articles, but it's one of the only plays in your playbook.
Someone says something you don't like, so you find an editorial. An opinion.
When someone posts facts, poll results, numbers, etc., you simply ignore it and then repeat your argument.
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I could care less about Trudeau. I can't vote for or against him and yeah, probably time for another leader to step up and take the mantle. But your article is a repost of a partisan Op-Ed in the Nat'l Post, something like Canada's Nat'i Review. Something you seem to love. You're just echo-chambering here, and that's fine. But I suspect there seems to be more of a wishful thinking element in these articles than actual facts...This is a great article just posted :
Frankly its the consensus opinion of Trudeau now. Last election, he only received 33% of the popular vote.
Thankfully, better times are in store for us by the next election.
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Well yeah, what other administration is there? The gov't in power endures the most of any controversies. But Zelensky didn't create the corruption pandemic in the Ukraine. The pro-Russian/Soviet oligarchs did. It was that corruption that led to the "Orange Revolution" or Handmaiden and the continued manipulations of the Russian gov't under Putin and Yeltsin before.
As for your "take" I think most Ukrainians would find it dumb and unnuanced. Because 91% of Ukrainians AGREE with Zelensky and hold him in high regard as a leader. Most would also think you are a solid A-hole for implying we should all cut off aid to the Ukraine...
Well NO SHIT! There is corruption in the Ukraine, and I have mentioned that like three times here, again what's your point? Ukraine came out of the USSR and collapsed into oligarchy just like the Russians did. They whole point in the revolution was to pull away from Russian dominance in Ukrainian politics and economy, something Putin has resisted through everything from targeted murders to outright invasion.
So again, what's your point with this Op-ed that also clearly acknowledges that Zelinsky IS fighting corruption and graft. The problem is he is also fighting and existential war of annihilation so maybe baby-steps...
Aid IS monitored: https://www.csis.org/analysis/ensuri...us-aid-ukraine
Is some grafted? Of course! But there are people watching. The bullets and tanks are certainly going where they are supposed to be. But corruption is an eternal problem. There was corruption in the US war effort in WWII. Should we not have fought it?Last edited by Nickdfresh; 10-02-2023, 01:40 AM.Leave a comment:
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Well I guess you skipped the part where 78% of Liberals" do trust them. What's your point?Right now Conservatives lead the polls considerably here in Canada.
Read this:
As you can see, there is a distrust (and with good reason) of most legacy media from those other than Liberals.
But since we are so hyper focussed on polls and stats here in this thread, if the majority of Canadians support the Conservatives today, and only 22% of them support the CBC as trustworthy, then it appears that I do indeed speak for most Canadians.
At a minimum, it’s not a minority.
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So he's cherry picking a single poll but basically acknowledges that most Canadians were not sympathetic to the truckers blockading their cities. And I'm gonna guess there are other polls showing less sympathy...Toronto, ON, February 11, 2022 – The trucker convoy that has descended upon Ottawa and has morphed into a wider protest has the sympathy of many Canadians, even if they don’t agree with everything that has been said or done by the protestors, according to a new Ipsos poll conducted on behalf of Global News.
Nearly half (46%) of Canadians say they “may not agree with everything the people who have taken part in the truck protests in Ottawa have said, but their frustration is legitimate and worthy of our sympathy.” The proportion of 18-34-year-olds who adopt this point of view is 61%, while those aged 35-54 (44%) and 55+ (37%) are much less likely to agree. Regionally, those in Alberta (58%) and Saskatchewan and Manitoba (58%) are most likely to align with this argument, while a sizeable minority in Quebec (47%), Ontario (44%), Atlantic Canada (43%), and British Columbia (36%) agree. Politically, most Conservative voters (59%) are on this side of the argument, while a minority of Bloc (44%), NDP (43%) and Liberal (30%) voters are also aligned.
I find it interesting that despite a considerable media bias on the side of Trudeau and the Liberals here, you are incorrect here Nickd, there is no "vast majority" opposing the truckers.
remember here Nickd, that Trudeau ran on a platform of inclusiveness for all Canadians, saying he would bring new standards of listening to all Canadians. This is a far cry from that, and the polar opposite action.
The most interesting part of that poll (lol) is that the older you are (and by implication used to trusting legacy media and the established narrative) the more you were aligned to Trudeau, etc.
The majority of 18-34 year olds - 61% - actually supported the truckers. Super interesting...and hopeful for the future.
Regional differences too. So you are wrong on this point, and on the Biden Border , if we are keeping track.
It also seems the Convoyers are getting more nutty and are really losing support with calls to "arrest Trudeau" with some saying they're just opportunist grifters. Um okay:
Some prominent figures of 2022 convoy protests don't support latest convoy plan: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tion-1.6979044Last edited by Nickdfresh; 10-02-2023, 01:13 AM.Leave a comment:
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He DIDN"T fucking say what YOU said, he didn't say "the whole world" BUHUAAAA the BORDER IS NOT open, you delusional idiot! Then why would US CBP be apprehending them?
About 1,500 asylum seekers are allowed to apply for entry/asylum at a time but still are often denied. And late summer has caused an influx, but in June border crossings were at an all-time low...
There was a lot of attempted immigration under Trump as well in fact the only difference in numbers might be the pandemic. Immigrants don't give a fuck about what US presidents say, they only care about opportunities with the improving economy and getting away from violence.
The number of immigrants was actually pretty low for much of Biden's admin, it may have spiked recently but it ebbs and flows but 'it's the economy stupid'...Leave a comment:
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This is a great article just posted :
Frankly its the consensus opinion of Trudeau now. Last election, he only received 33% of the popular vote.
Thankfully, better times are in store for us by the next election.
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Quoting myself here, lol...
But I just had a thought, tens of thousands of would be migrants and refugees, hearing through the grapevine that things are changing at the US border after months and months of Campaigning promises - its open now! - dozens of cartels and other nefarious orgs making tons of cash on the new policies, getting paid to transport them, actively organizing transport and payment for same.
I am sure all of them stopped to consider..."Wait, shouldn't we check with what exactly Biden said (in another language not native to them) so we make sure we aren't breaking any rules/laws".
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I know at least one person in this thread loves a good poll, so here we go...
"A survey by two Kyiv pollsters released on Sept. 11 found that 78 per cent of Ukrainians hold Zelenskyy accountable for government corruption. A related poll found that 55 per cent believe Western military aid should be conditional on fighting corruption."
There you have it!!! Ukranians agreeing with my take!!!!!
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lol..."Only Russia was rated more corrupt" Remember, ZERO oversight in the funds we are giving them...
Volodymyr Zelenskyy's other challenge? Fighting persistent Ukraine corruption
Stephen Grey, Dan Peleschuk · Thomson Reuters · Posted: Sep 20, 2023 6:05 AM PDT | Last Updated: September 20
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has been lauded as a wartime leader since Russia began its full-scale invasion in February 2022. But some continue to question his commitment to making good on his pledge to fight graft.
Ukraine consistently ranks in the bottom half of Transparency International's annual Corruption Perceptions Index. Only Russia was rated more corrupt in Europe in the 2022 rankings from the non-government organization.
Billions of dollars of aid earmarked for Zelenskyy's government, as well as ambitions to join the European Union, ride on Ukraine proving that it is serious about fighting corruption and embracing good governance.
Yaroslav Zheleznyak, an opposition lawmaker, said Western donors should take note. So far, more than 41 countries, including Canada have committed a total of more than $140 billion US in civil and military aid to Ukraine, according to the Ukraine Support Tracker of the Kiel Institute for the World Economy.
Zheleznyak told Reuters that unless corruption is addressed, Western donors risk losing substantial sums.
"Now, they are stealing our money," Zheleznyak said of officials who tolerated graft. "In the future, they could steal your money."
Bribery allegations follow Ukraine minister
A survey by two Kyiv pollsters released on Sept. 11 found that 78 per cent of Ukrainians hold Zelenskyy accountable for government corruption. A related poll found that 55 per cent believe Western military aid should be conditional on fighting corruption.
Zelenskyy fired more than a dozen senior officials in January amid public allegations of graft and impropriety, and on Aug. 11, he fired all the regional heads of military recruitment centres, after an audit turned up alleged abuses by officials, including illegal enrichment.
On Sept. 12, after a public outcry, Zelenskyy vetoed legislation that would have allowed officials to keep their mandatory asset disclosures sealed from public view for a year.
This month, Zelenskyy also replaced his defence minister, Oleksii Reznikov. The president cited the need for "new approaches," but the move came soon after a series of allegations levelled by Ukrainian media that the defence ministry was procuring goods at inflated values. Reznikov told a press conference in Kyiv a week before his ouster that the reports are inaccurate.
Oleh Tatarov, the president's adviser on law enforcement and security agencies since 2020, remains on the job.
Oleh Maiboroda, once a chief executive of one of Ukraine's biggest construction firms, said that for years, he kept rolls of dollar bills in a safe behind his desk to hand over to Tatarov. The money, Maiboroda told Reuters, was intended to bribe public officials to approve building projects.
"Tatarov used to solve all issues with law enforcement," Maiboroda said in an interview in Vienna, where he has settled to escape prosecution in Ukraine for his own alleged role in corruption schemes involving the construction firm Ukrbud Development LLC.
Maiboroda said bribes flowed through Tatarov from 2014 to 2019, while the latter was a legal adviser to a company that was part of the state-owned Ukrbud. Before that, Tatarov was an official in the government of Viktor Yanukovych, the pro-Russian president toppled by a popular uprising in 2014.
Calls to remove Tatarov
Maiboroda said Tatarov was a slick operator, working away from the office in cafés where he met his contacts and used encrypted apps for communications.
"He knew about law enforcement and warned us to be careful about saying almost anything on the phone," Maiboroda told Reuters.
He said Tatarov either collected cash payments himself or sent a driver to do so.
"Of course he was paying" to smooth projects with authorities, including by securing building permits, Maiboroda said. "He was giving them money so these arrangements were done," he added.
Maiboroda provided no proof of his accusations, but they echo an allegation against Tatarov levelled by Ukraine's anti-corruption agencies that he organized a bribe.
Tatarov has denied wrongdoing and has been convicted of no crime. He has said his accusers are trying to settle political scores.
Zelenskyy has previously said corruption has no place in his administration.
Daria Kaleniuk, executive director of Ukraine's Anti-Corruption Action Centre (AntAC), an NGO, believes that in a healthy democracy, any official accused of corruption should be suspended until cleared.
"Unless Zelenskyy gets rid of Tatarov, he won't be seen as serious in purging the country of corruption," she told Reuters.
Investigation stalled, then closed
The construction sector is typical of the blurred lines between public and private sectors in post-Soviet Ukraine.
Maxym Mykytas, the former chair of Ukrbud, is currently in prison, charged with an alleged bribery scheme involving a subway contract.
Two senior law enforcement officials told Reuters that Mykytas confessed to the bribe in an October 2020 video recording, in which he said Tatarov arranged the payment. Tatarov has not commented on the matter.
"Tatarov and I did everything together, but if Tatarov sits in the President's Office, why should I be in prison?" Mykytas told a Ukrainian news website in December 2020.
In early 2021, Mykytas withdrew his confession. He told Reuters he accused Tatarov in the mistaken belief that Tatarov and others were trying to steal his business.
Meanwhile, an investigation into the Tatarov allegations from the state security service stalled. A court in Kyiv then refused to give investigators more time and, in April 2022, state prosecutors closed the case on procedural grounds.
Also under suspicion is Andriy Yermak, an associate from Zelenskyy's prior career in the entertainment world.
In March 2020, a month after Yermak became the president's chief of staff, video tapes surfaced in which Yermak's brother, Denys, now a soldier, is heard discussing appointments to government jobs and suggesting he could open doors. Denys confirmed the recording was of him, but said the tapes had been edited in a politically motivated bid to discredit his brother.
Andriy Yermak also dismissed the recordings as a political hit job.
Citizens weary of corruption
Neither Zelenskyy nor Tatarov responded to detailed questions to Reuters.
The view that corruption persists in wartime is widespread among several dozen residents interviewed by Reuters in a visit to several towns and villages north of Kyiv. There is hope that, after the sacrifice of war, the country has reached a turning point.
Pointing to an alleyway in Irpin where volunteers bring food to residents, Halyna, a 44-year-old local woman, said that nowadays when she deals with local officials, "there's no hint of bribes anymore."
Kaleniuk, the anti-corruption campaigner, believes the war has created irreversible pressure for reform.
"Everything has changed" since Russia's invasion, she said. "The demand for a change in society is huge."
Ukraine's anti-corruption authorities say they have doubled down on their work and say they have made more progress than at any time since their establishment in 2015. In the first half of this year, they launched nearly 300 cases and sent 58 indictments to court, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU).
Current NABU director Semen Kryvonos told Reuters his agency is prioritizing wartime crimes in key sectors like defence and reconstruction.
In a report in June, the International Monetary Fund said donors and foreign investors need to see reforms to improve governance, transparency and tackle corruption "without delay."
In an assessment of Ukraine's chances of EU membership, published in June 2022, the European Commission described corruption as "a serious challenge that requires continued attention."
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Right now Conservatives lead the polls considerably here in Canada.
Read this:
As you can see, there is a distrust (and with good reason) of most legacy media from those other than Liberals.
But since we are so hyper focussed on polls and stats here in this thread, if the majority of Canadians support the Conservatives today, and only 22% of them support the CBC as trustworthy, then it appears that I do indeed speak for most Canadians.
At a minimum, it’s not a minority.
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Toronto, ON, February 11, 2022 – The trucker convoy that has descended upon Ottawa and has morphed into a wider protest has the sympathy of many Canadians, even if they don’t agree with everything that has been said or done by the protestors, according to a new Ipsos poll conducted on behalf of Global News.
Nearly half (46%) of Canadians say they “may not agree with everything the people who have taken part in the truck protests in Ottawa have said, but their frustration is legitimate and worthy of our sympathy.” The proportion of 18-34-year-olds who adopt this point of view is 61%, while those aged 35-54 (44%) and 55+ (37%) are much less likely to agree. Regionally, those in Alberta (58%) and Saskatchewan and Manitoba (58%) are most likely to align with this argument, while a sizeable minority in Quebec (47%), Ontario (44%), Atlantic Canada (43%), and British Columbia (36%) agree. Politically, most Conservative voters (59%) are on this side of the argument, while a minority of Bloc (44%), NDP (43%) and Liberal (30%) voters are also aligned.
I find it interesting that despite a considerable media bias on the side of Trudeau and the Liberals here, you are incorrect here Nickd, there is no "vast majority" opposing the truckers.
remember here Nickd, that Trudeau ran on a platform of inclusiveness for all Canadians, saying he would bring new standards of listening to all Canadians. This is a far cry from that, and the polar opposite action.
The most interesting part of that poll (lol) is that the older you are (and by implication used to trusting legacy media and the established narrative) the more you were aligned to Trudeau, etc.
The majority of 18-34 year olds - 61% - actually supported the truckers. Super interesting...and hopeful for the future.
Regional differences too. So you are wrong on this point, and on the Biden Border , if we are keeping track.Last edited by Romeo Delight; 10-01-2023, 07:10 PM.Leave a comment:
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No, YOU DON'T. Not most Canadians do and I doubt you speak for much more than a minority of them.Originally posted by Romeo Delight
No, it isn't. You criticized my source so I provided the link to the article where it characterizes this guys background.They are funded by the Federal government and almost never critique the Federal Liberal party. Question period is a series of softballs thrown the Prime Minitser's way. It's sad. Thankfully indpenedant media is leading the way.
Again, this argument about who is a NAzi, who should be prosecuted for War crimes, etc, is an entirely different discussion.
You don't trust the CBC now? Okay please tell us how they are wrong on this?
The vast majority of Canadians were really fucking annoyed with their cities being shut down by truckers: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/15/polit...tes/index.htmlThe reason why this story is important in a Canadian specific context is that Trudeau and his enture Liberal party has called those who disagree with him Nazis. Portrayed any dissent as racist, mysoginistic, and hate-filled. Said that the Trucker protest should not be allowed because it dissents with givernment policies (yes he actually said this) What is a protest for if not to voice concern over government policy??? Good lord. One flag appeared breifly at one trucker protest (likely a plant) and now the entire protest was Maga supported, supporting Nazis, etc. Ridiculous. It was the most Canadian protest ever...polite, family filled, super peaceful. Rights were ripped away, bank accounts frozen, and for some just for donating online!!! One of the banks later apologized, but its a stain on our history.
So maybe Trudeau speaks for the majority, eh?
Pretty ignorant to just regurgitate Russian propaganda about the "far right" in Ukraine FFS! The main Ukrainian parties are moderate right to left spectrum and the far Right Sector has largely been marginalized both politically and in the Armed Forces.So when a Cdn government blindy follows a corrupt political regime in Ukraine with far right leanings, no elections, no oversights, blindly, without end apparently, and then invites an SS volunteer to the House, yes, we have questions...is that ok? Again, questions are a hallmark of a free and democratic society.
There is also the question of how many Nazis Canada allowed to come into the country so many years ago. Deputy PM Freeland's own family may well have a sordid history there. Her grandfather was an editor of a Nazi newspaper
Again, completely ignorant. Zelensky WAS democratically elected and is hugely popular, in contrast he was unpopular prior to the Russian Invasion and genocide, but his handling as a wartime leader has galvanized the Ukraine resistance to the fascist Ruscist cunts! Yes there is corruption there, but he has made headway cracking down and certainly the corruption regarding Ukrainian defense is nowhere near the level of the Russian MOD.
There may be a question regarding how many Canadians of Ukrainian decent are hard right, but that was never any sort of real political question until recently and the Progressive Conservatives surely never gave a fuck. If you don't like Trudeau's policies then vote against them, but I am pretty sure Canada as part of NATO are treaty bound to ensure Ukrainian statehood and security as the result of them giving up all their nukes in the 1990's...
And itis Russian not the Ukraine that threatens Canadian sovereignty in the Arctic Circle...Last edited by Nickdfresh; 10-01-2023, 05:59 PM.Leave a comment:
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Firstly, I don’t support anyone. You are a mess on both sides lol!
Secondly, can you honestly tell me that months and months of this type of positioning and you expect zero increase in the Southern border?
Sure, we can say, well he said something different and so you still have no standing here. Ummm. Ok. I don’t know what to say. It’s super clear, taking off you Dem hat for a second, that 4 months of this type of positioning re the border followed by an election win, followed by a literal dismantling of the previous regime’s policies could ONLY result in a mass sprint to the border. I don’t know if there is any point in any further discussion. You are drowning in the kool-aid.Leave a comment:
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