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  • Vinnie Velvet
    Full Member Status

    • Feb 2004
    • 4607

    Originally posted by Terry

    I mean, the thing about it is, doubtless Hagar tells the story to make sure everybody knows he tried to be the nice guy and include Alex.

    But with my experience, the few truly decent people I've known personally...the common denominator with all of them is that NONE of them EVER made public announcements designed to SHOW everybody how decent they were. Like, if a person is decent, they know it and are comfortable letting others find out on their own...and if others don't acknowledge how decent they are, said person is fine with that, too.

    The other part of it is...I mean, Hagar reached out to Alex "a dozen" times about participating in this tour. To my mind, once or twice would be sufficient. Reaching out any more than that...just seems cringe and desperate.
    Totally desperate. The douchebag is desperate to resurrect any semblance of Van Hagar that he decided to make a tour out of it.

    He should just be happy Al at least greenlights Van Hagar reissues.
    =V V=
    ole No.1 The finest
    EAT US AND SMILE

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    • nick500
      Groupie
      • Jul 2019
      • 87

      So Alex and Dave come up with this idea to do a tribute tour with Satriani, it doesn't work out and two minutes later Hagar decides to copy the entire idea and then phones up Alex and asks him to play on the tour: "Hey I'm cashing in on your idea, come and play so I can pretend it's a Van Halen show, how about it ?". What a total asshole! I'm sure Alex would like to tell him to take a flying leap.

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      • Vinnie Velvet
        Full Member Status

        • Feb 2004
        • 4607

        Originally posted by nick500
        So Alex and Dave come up with this idea to do a tribute tour with Satriani, it doesn't work out and two minutes later Hagar decides to copy the entire idea and then phones up Alex and asks him to play on the tour: "Hey I'm cashing in on your idea, come and play so I can pretend it's a Van Halen show, how about it ?". What a total asshole! I'm sure Alex would like to tell him to take a flying leap.
        This is exactly why Alex is done with Sam. I'm sure he now realizes Sam was just an opportunistic asshole who joined Van Halen not for the sake of the "music" but saw $$$$.
        =V V=
        ole No.1 The finest
        EAT US AND SMILE

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        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35384

          Originally posted by Terry

          I mean, the thing about it is, doubtless Hagar tells the story to make sure everybody knows he tried to be the nice guy and include Alex.

          But with my experience, the few truly decent people I've known personally...the common denominator with all of them is that NONE of them EVER made public announcements designed to SHOW everybody how decent they were. Like, if a person is decent, they know it and are comfortable letting others find out on their own...and if others don't acknowledge how decent they are, said person is fine with that, too.
          I haven't seen it since maybe someone can find it and put it up on the site but before each act played on the Dave and Sammy tour in 2002 there was a video played. I suspect this was a Roth stipulation so he could play some of his recently made BBQ video. Can anyone else remember the video that Hagar played? My memory of it was a montage of 10 or more people giving short statements about how he was the best, most amazing, generous guy in the world. If that wasn't cringe enough it did seem that most of them were employees. Maybe a false memory on my part but someone prove me wrong...

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32865

            Watch Sam perform. He looks kind of pissed. He wanted to outdo the Another Kind of Truth tour and steal Dave’s legacy. Without Alex it’s just another Chiken Foot tour. Sam knows it. He’s flustered. He wants to be known as the best singer in Van Halen but he can’t get Dave off the top of the mountain.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32865

              Joe is no Eddie. Not even close. If I want to see a tribute I will see Nerd Halen. Joe has no swagger. Joe has no swing. Joe has zero stage presence. Joe can’t improvise. Joe is BORING. You can watch monkey’s masturbate for free on YouTube. Why pay Hagar to see Joe do it?
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32865

                “You can’t have Van Halen without Eddie Van Halen”. -Wolfgang-

                Even the fat fucking kid has a higher IQ than Sammy.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • Silexxx
                  Head Fluffer
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 276



                  Sammy Hagar has given an update on the tour invitation extended to David Lee Roth. In an interview with Eddie Trunk, Hagar talked about the Van Halen 'Best of All Worlds" tour, and his offer for David Lee Roth to join him on stage.
                  "He went AWOL," Hagar said, and noted that he'd clarified to Roth that the offer meant the singer was to appear as a guest on a song or two, as opposed to a longer stint on the road. "He just kind of went to sleep on it, which is fine. I don't need Roth antagonizing me."

                  Continuing, Hagar stated that he still wants Roth to come out and sing with the band but expressed wariness at his unpredictability.

                  "If he really wanted to come out and play music, sing a song, and be real and not try to pull some crazy whacked-out stuff. You know, the guy's unpredictable. And God bless him, he's been an entertainer his whole life and he's a showman and he likes to upstage people and that's been his game. And so, we're just not into that."

                  "I would love him to come and sing 'Jump' at the end of this show. Just you come out and sing the fucker instead of me."

                  Hagar trying to to be "good guy" again.

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                  • Nitro Express
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 32865

                    Yup. That Sam is a shark. In my experience people rarely change. I made the mistake of trusting an old shark thinking old age mellowed him out and made him more honest. Wrong! Sharks stay sharks.
                    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                    • Vinnie Velvet
                      Full Member Status

                      • Feb 2004
                      • 4607

                      Originally posted by Silexxx
                      https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news..._lee_roth.html

                      Sammy Hagar has given an update on the tour invitation extended to David Lee Roth. In an interview with Eddie Trunk, Hagar talked about the Van Halen 'Best of All Worlds" tour, and his offer for David Lee Roth to join him on stage.
                      "He went AWOL," Hagar said, and noted that he'd clarified to Roth that the offer meant the singer was to appear as a guest on a song or two, as opposed to a longer stint on the road. "He just kind of went to sleep on it, which is fine. I don't need Roth antagonizing me."

                      Continuing, Hagar stated that he still wants Roth to come out and sing with the band but expressed wariness at his unpredictability.

                      "If he really wanted to come out and play music, sing a song, and be real and not try to pull some crazy whacked-out stuff. You know, the guy's unpredictable. And God bless him, he's been an entertainer his whole life and he's a showman and he likes to upstage people and that's been his game. And so, we're just not into that."

                      "I would love him to come and sing 'Jump' at the end of this show. Just you come out and sing the fucker instead of me."

                      Hagar trying to to be "good guy" again.
                      Don't ya just love how Sam shits all over Jump? Calls the song "...the fucker".

                      He hates the fact that its VH's biggest hit not to mention hating the song. The song that when you ask anyone about Van Halen, whether they like it or not, is the first thing that comes to mind.

                      =V V=
                      ole No.1 The finest
                      EAT US AND SMILE

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                      • nick500
                        Groupie
                        • Jul 2019
                        • 87

                        Just come out and sing that one song instead of the 30 or 40 other classic tracks that blow the Van Hagar era into the trash can. What an asshole.
                        There is no Eddie tribute in this tour, it's all about Sammy Hagar and his half ass career. Without Van Halen where would he be?
                        I did find this on youtube from Eddie Trunk show. Have no idea if the caller is actually saying the truth.
                        Alex Van Halen has consistently refused to answer Sammy's phone calls #Alexvanhalen #sammyhagar #davidleeroth A caller phones in on Eddie Trunk's "Faction Ta...

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                        • Vinnie Velvet
                          Full Member Status

                          • Feb 2004
                          • 4607

                          Originally posted by nick500
                          Just come out and sing that one song instead of the 30 or 40 other classic tracks that blow the Van Hagar era into the trash can. What an asshole.
                          There is no Eddie tribute in this tour, it's all about Sammy Hagar and his half ass career. Without Van Halen where would he be?
                          I did find this on youtube from Eddie Trunk show. Have no idea if the caller is actually saying the truth.
                          Alex Van Halen has consistently refused to answer Sammy's phone calls #Alexvanhalen #sammyhagar #davidleeroth A caller phones in on Eddie Trunk's "Faction Ta...
                          Its both Dave and Ed's fault we have to endure Sam's verbal barf every time. If only they got their shit together and didnt break up.

                          If only.
                          =V V=
                          ole No.1 The finest
                          EAT US AND SMILE

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32865

                            Jas Obrecht said he interviewed both Eddie and Sammy in 1987 and he could see there was some tension between Sammy and Eddie. Sam said Ed didn’t play a solo good because he was drunk and after that Ed’s mood cooled and he clearly was pissed the rest of the interview. So the love fest didn’t last long.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Terry
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 12028

                              Wouldn't be difficult to imagine the love fest was as such initially because Hagar probably wasn't as critical of what Ed was offering up musically as Roth and Templeman had been. Hagar already had the pop rock sensibility that Ed's material was leaning toward in the mid-1980's.

                              The band was basically managed by Hagar's manager until the early 1990's. After that manager died, the Van Halens wanted managerial control. The general consensus is that first Roth and then Hagar generally steered the ship in terms of non-musical decisions. Or, as Hagar once put it, Dave ran the band when he was in it and then Sam ran the band when he was in it. After Hagar left in 1996, the Van Halens wanted to exert the ultimate control over decisions regarding the managing of the band. I think THAT was why the Roth reunion flopped above all else, in that Roth circa 1996 ultimately wasn't willing to rejoin the band as a hired hand being told what to do by the Van Halens. And the Van Halens circa 1996 didn't want to go back to the type of band dynamic they had with Roth where Dave was basically making the choices over the non-musical aspects of Van Halen.

                              Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                              • Terry
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 12028

                                But, you know, even back when the 1985 split was first announced, I never 'blamed' Hagar.

                                I do recall wondering why the band had tapped Hagar for the gig but I never 'blamed' Hagar in terms of thinking it was some sort of crime that he accepted the offer. I mean, yeah, Hagar is a bit cheesy and a bit lame and always was (hence when it was announced my wondering why Ed wanted HIM?) but circa 1985, what professional rock singer WOULDN'T have wanted a shot singing with Van Halen after Roth left?

                                My irritation with Hagar came via that whole lame back and forth in the press after Dave split. Specifically, when Hagar would chime in with his comments slagging Roth off. THAT just felt...off. Like, it was one thing for Ed to be airing HIS gripes about Dave publicly, since at least Ed had...I dunno, earned the right to. With Hagar, though, my reaction was one of wondering where Sammy Hagar got off saying word one about Roth. Mostly because Hagar's musical career up to that point hadn't been nearly as successful as Van Halen's. As a solo artist, Hagar hadn't even been as successful as Roth was in the first half of 1985, where Roth was seemingly everywhere...all over the media.

                                That irritation was compounded when 5150 came out and suddenly all over the album Hagar is consciously making an effort to copy the Roth style and attitude in a manner I'd certainly never heard before with Hagar's stuff. It was like, why had Hagar spent the last 6 months taking digs at Roth in the press only to try and cop Roth's style on the new Van Halen record? THAT was the moment Hagar transformed from being merely a bit average and mundane to REALLY cheesy and lame.
                                Scramby eggs and bacon.

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