Peterson Trial & Abortion

[ELVIS]

Exactly!

Thanks for the story...

[Switch84]

:confused: So the real question of which unborn child is more protected under the law depends if the mother wanted it or not? Laci's child was more important because she wanted it. Whereas if I was headed to the abortion clinic, my unborn child woudn't get the same protection. This abortion issue does conflict me, I'll admit. How do you pick and chose which fetus/embryo/child is more important than the other?


I say they're all important, therein lies my confliction, because I don't think it's right to tell a woman what to do with her body!

FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!

[Nickdfresh]

Re: Peterson Trial & Abortion

Originally posted by Figs
With Scott Peterson being convicted of second degree murder for killing his unborn son, do you think this ruling will have any ramifications towards abortion? Could you point to this case as a precedent for abortion being a first degree (premeditated) murder? Or would that comparison be thrown out. I think this case opens up some interesting legal battles...

I'm not sure, but I think there is speculation that Laci gave birth post-mortem. Conner was alive and out of the womb for a short time after Laci died making Peterson a baby killer.

Also, though there are two murder charges:

First Degree (for Laci) Penalty- 25 to life w/ parole possible,

Second Degree (for Conner) 15 years w/ parole possible,

-AND-

There is a third penality in which takes into account that Laci was pregnant:

First Degree Murder under a "Special Circumstance,"-Penalty 25 years to Life in Prison w/ no parole or DEATH.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by thepunisher
What really gets me is those lefties that are anti-death penalty but are pro-abortion.
They'd rather protect the life of a piece of trash than that of an unborn child. Oh wait its not a child it's tissue. Yeah right.

What really gets me are the righties that are screaming with religious conviction that abortion "is murder," yet feel it is okay to defy the "Thou shall not kill" commandment and kill any criminals they deem fit.

Even though it has been shown that a sizable percentage of people killed in the "chair" were innocent of the crimes that sent them there!

By the way, anyone for adopting all of these unwanted pregnancies? How about cutting welfare and social services for poor children that are already here?

There are a lot of "conservatives" that feel life is only precious inside the womb and FUCK "EM ONCE THEY"RE BORN!

By the way I hope Peterscum dies!

[Figs]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I'm not sure, but I think there is speculation that Laci gave birth post-mortem.

Maybe that's why there is the second degree murder conviction. So maybe he was considered "born."

[BrownSound1]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
What really gets me are the righties that are screaming with religious conviction that abortion "is murder," yet feel it is okay to defy the "Thou shall not kill" commandment and kill any criminals they deem fit.

Whoa! hold just a second there! You had better read the rest of the Old Testament, before you make this statement.

While we do have this commandment, it is referring to committing murder, and not to capital punishment. For instance, during this time, it was perfectly legal for unruly children to be stoned to death...and this was in accordance with God's law. In fact I cannot think of one instance where capital punishment is condemned by God.

The "righties," as you put it, seem to have a grasp of what murder is. No unborn child has ever sinned or committed a crime. However, they can find many examples in the Bible of what is to be done to those who defy the law.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Brownsound1
While we do have this commandment, it is referring to committing murder, and not to capital punishment. For instance, during this time, it was perfectly legal for unruly children to be stoned to death...and this was in accordance with God's law...

I rest my case.

[BrownSound1]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I rest my case.

What the hell are you talking about?

[lms2]

Originally posted by Switch84
:confused:
FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!

Inner conflict is a bitch ain't she!

I am against partial birth abortion... I respect a womans right to a first trimester abortion, even though I have no real idea at what point a fetus becomes a life...

I disagree that a womans right to choose ends when she spreads her legs... her body is still hers after she closes them.

Capital punishment... I am for it. I just wouldn't be able to be the one to do it, ya know. So what if innocent people died in the chair. the real pity is in the fact that they got convicted anyway. How will that change whether or not they are dead or alive. Let a man out of prison 20 years later and say... "Oh sorry, we made a mistake" is not going to give him his life back.

Quoting the bible is also a tricky situation. They are not called the ten suggestions you know...but still, talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth. And then the interpretations as to whether such statments as any eye for an eye are metaphorical... God did some evil things to sinners. But he also forgave a good deal of them.

So, I guess it boils down to "Judge not lest ye also be judged" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Thank goodness no one listens to me anyway.

[BrownSound1]

Originally posted by lms2
So, I guess it boils down to "Judge not lest ye also be judged" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Ah, the two quotes I've been waiting to see. If you are using the word of God to judge wrongdoing, then that is ok. For instance, if I tell you that you are doing wrong by being a thief because God has taught against it, then I'm not the one judging you, it is God's word. Same goes for the use of the laws of our country.

Now, when people quote Jesus saying, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," they think they have it made. I've seen this used so many times it is funny...people's way of justifying their wrongdoing. What they forget is the rest of what Jesus said in that story. Jesus told that woman to "go and sin no more." It is true that the law of the time said that she could be stoned to death, but I do believe that she would have had to have been brought before a judge and tried for her crimes. This mob was nothing but a mob of angry people, and Jesus diffused the situation.

[lms2]

Which is pretty much what Americans (or people in general) are today isn't it? A mob of angry people, so angry they get totally caught up in stories brought to them via the media...stories in which they have no personal involvement in, and know only what they have been told about that particular situation, assuming everything you read is correct?

So you can judge me to be a theif because it is what God has taught, but God does not want you to judge me. God knows all... you only know part of the story. If my cow wonders into your pasture, then you possess the cow, do you not? (possession is nine tenths of the law) If I then come and retrieve my cow, am I stealing from you?

premeditation, crimes of passion, intent to kill or accidental death, life in prison, or a death sentence. I tend to think that God would cringe at these things. Judgement from mortal man with all his limitations is more what I was getting at.

[lms2]

And what about the COWS right to choose?

[fanofdave]

thought for the day:

if you want the government to keep their hands
off your body, then keep your hands off the unborn
as well.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Brownsound1
What the hell are you talking about?

The logical inconsistencies in the Bible. It's okay to stone children to death, but according to those with strict fundamentalist views, the Bible prohibits abortion? Basically, I am talking about using a document that is thousands of years old and written by often times prejudiced, narrow minded men that were products of their time and trying to turn it into a political treatise by selectively quoting and often misquoting it!

But I digress, this thread is about Peterson and his victims. I was just responding to someones "lefties" political bullshit and just letting them know their is plenty of moral hypocrisy to go around.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I rest my case.

I don't see how you rested anything.

God regularly told the Israelites to slay whole armies and civilian populations in Canaan and other areas because they were Pagan worshippers and sacrificed their kids to these various 'gods' or other atrocities.

Capital punishment was fully endorsed by God in the Old Testament.