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  • lucky wilbury

    #31
    can you find me a quote a quote from a speech not some pic where bush said mission accomplished? post the quote from the speech and a link to it. and don't try to say well he said it's the end of major combat crap. he was asked to say that by tommy franks. better yet back up you cocaine charge with someone creditable who is on the record about is sort of like this on al gore from his friend and former colleague John Warnecke



    We smoked a lot of grass. Far more than he's acknowledged... Al and Tipper would come over, and the first thing Al would do, usually, to check outdoors, look out the windows, roll down the shades. You know, ask me if I had any marijuana and joints. I always had. I had good connections in San Francisco, so I always had the best dope in town and I never charged him for it. I always gave it away. We had a sort of a motto in the hippie culture that you shared your dope...

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    • lucky wilbury

      #32
      double post

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58759

        #33
        Originally posted by Warham
        At least Bush didn't lie under oath.

        Like HELL he didn't.

        He took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

        Under that oath, he lied us into a war against a country that posed no threat to America whatsoever.
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • lucky wilbury

          #34
          so can we go after clinton for all the countrys he went after? after all he went after iraq and yogoslavia etc etc etc

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49136

            #35
            Originally posted by lucky wilbury
            can you find me a quote a quote from a speech not some pic where bush said mission accomplished? post the quote from the speech and a link to it. and don't try to say well he said it's the end of major combat crap...
            Doesn't matter! Listen to yourself; He never actually said that, he just had a big fucking sign over his head said it and he implied the hell out of it.

            Is this another Bush 'Orwellian double-speak?' That is either having a lackey say something directly or strongly implying something and then relying on the "plausible deniability" concept when it gets you in trouble.



            Bush, 9/11 and Iraq—a policy founded on deception
            By Bill Vann
            9 September 2003


            President Bush’s nationally televised speech on Iraq Sunday provoked a tepid reaction from the media. The New York Times and the Washington Post both chided the president for failing to make an explicit pledge to accept greater United Nations authority in Iraq as a means of winning “international support”: i.e., cannon fodder from South Asia and money from “old Europe” to bail out a disaster-plagued occupation.

            The response of the Democrats indicated that the White House will likely prevail in its bid for an additional $87 billion to finance the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—an amount equal to what the US military was squandering at the height of the Vietnam War. Senator Joseph Biden, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, praised Bush for what he claimed was a turn to multilateralism: “I think it took a big man to do that, and I plan on supporting him.”

            Studiously ignored in the commentary and analysis of the speech, however, was its most salient feature: Bush’s arguments constituted a pack of lies from start to finish put together with the sole purpose of deceiving the American people as to the real nature of the intervention in Iraq.

            The tone of the speech stood in stark contrast to the swaggering victory address Bush delivered on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln May 1. While then he spoke in terms of “accomplishment” and “victory,” Sunday night’s remarks, reflecting the catastrophe that has befallen US policy in Iraq, included repeated references to “sacrifice” and “burden.” Bush’s handlers obviously coached him to adopt a more somber demeanor, though his signature cynicism came through just as clearly.

            What the two speeches shared in common, however, was their reliance on a lie
            that has served as the official justification for the Bush administration’s policies—both foreign and domestic—for the past two years: that war abroad, attacks on democratic rights at home and the destruction of social conditions for millions of American workers are all the necessary byproduct of a global struggle against imminent terrorist threats.

            In the illegal war against Iraq, this lie is expressed in the claim that the regime of Saddam Hussein bore responsibility for the September 11, 2001 attacks. Previously, this assertion was linked to charges that the Iraqi regime had massive stockpiles of chemical, biological and possibly even nuclear weapons, posing the threat that the next terrorist attack would be signaled by a “mushroom cloud.” After five months of searches by thousands of US troops have failed to turn up a trace of such weapons, the administration has fallen back on exploiting the trauma of September 11.

            Speaking from the White House Sunday night, Bush made no less than six references to the September 11 attacks, repeatedly asserting that the bloodshed in Iraq is necessary to prevent new terrorist actions. “Since America put out the fires of September 11, and mourned our dead, and went to war, history has taken a different turn,” declared Bush. “We have carried the fight to the enemy. We are rolling back the terrorist threat to civilization, not on the fringes of its influence, but at the heart of its power.”

            Later he added: “We are fighting the enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan today so that we do not meet him again on our own streets, in our own cities,” Bush declared.

            There is no evidence whatsoever that the Iraqi regime had anything to do with September 11, and its relations with Al Qaeda were characterized by mutual hatred. The thousands of Iraqi civilians and many thousands, if not tens of thousands, more Iraqi soldiers killed by American missiles, bombs and shells bore no guilt for the 3,000 American lives lost two years ago.


            Moreover, the plans to carry out wars of conquest against both Iraq and Afghanistan were in place well before September 2001, with the Bush administration seizing upon the attacks as a golden opportunity to carry out these plans. The motivation for these wars was neither terrorism nor weapons of mass destruction, but the pursuit of US global hegemony and the opportunity to seize control of vast energy supplies.

            All of this is well known by the media. Yet the president is free to lie and exploit the trauma of September 11 to promote what is quite literally a criminal policy. He has no fear that a servile American press corps will call him to account.

            The administration is building new lies on top of old ones, attempting to exploit the misconceptions that it has itself created in the public mind in order to deceive the American people once again.

            Bush’s speech was delivered just days after the release of a Washington Post poll showing that 69 percent of the American people believe that the regime of Saddam Hussein had a hand in the September 11 attacks. The paper acknowledged that there was no evidence of such a link and quoted Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, one of the main architects of the war, as saying so.

            Yet, the source of this misconception is no mystery. In the months leading up to the invasion of Iraq there was a constant drumbeat from the administration that just such links existed. As the AFP news agency noted: “On Sept. 25, 2002 Bush warned against the danger that ‘al-Qaeda becomes an extension of Saddam’s madness.’ National Security Counselor Condoleezza Rice added that there ‘clearly are contacts between al-Qaeda and Iraq.’ The next day Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said there was ‘bulletproof evidence’ of an Al-Qaeda-Saddam link.”

            Now the administration is attempting to portray the daily attacks on US troops in Iraq as a positive development, claiming that it represents some kind of final battle between the US-sponsored “peace and progress” and the “terrorist threat to civilization.”


            Those on the ground in Iraq have been far more circumspect about the source of the attacks on US troops, as well as the recent string of massive car bombings. It is widely recognized that Iraqi workers and youth are joining the resistance movement not out of allegiance to Al Qaeda or Baathism, but because they are determined to free their country from foreign military domination. Demonstrations by many thousands of Iraqis demanding an end to occupation have likewise made it evident that those carrying out the attacks are able to do so because they enjoy the support and protection of broad layers of the population.

            In essence, the administration is attempting to sell a bloody colonial war to the American public as a settling of accounts with the authors of September 11. Bush’s portrayal of anyone who opposes US military occupation as a “terrorist” sets the stage politically for a brutal military crackdown that will claim many more Iraqi lives and ensure even broader support for those who resist.

            While the lies of the White House about Iraq provide no insight into the dynamics of the escalating struggle there, they say a great deal about the state of affairs within the US itself. A government that is able to defend its policies before the people only through falsification and deception is a regime of extreme crisis. And, to the extent that it is founded on these deliberate lies, whatever public support exists for the continuing Iraqi intervention is paper-thin.

            More fundamentally, the domination of the lie as the currency of US political life calls into question the viability of American democracy itself. Underlying this practice is the vast gulf that separates the narrow strata of millionaires and billionaires that dominate both major political parties in the US, and the vast majority of working people who are, for all intents and purposes, politically disenfranchised.

            In Iraq, Washington has carried out a criminal campaign of military aggression aimed at seizing wealth and natural resources to benefit a wealthy elite and increase the profits of a small group of politically connected corporations promised oil concessions and lucrative contracts. Yet it promotes this filthy enterprise to the public as a battle for democracy and freedom for which it should sacrifice the lives of its young and surrender increasingly scarce public monies to finance a gargantuan military budget.

            A government that is prepared to lie on the scale that has been seen with the Bush administration in relation to Iraq is prepared to do anything. Nearly two years after the September 11 attacks, it continues to cloak the events of that day in a veil of official secrecy, insisting that to release even minimal information would compromise “national security.”

            There is ample evidence, assembled and published most recently in a column in the British Guardian—and rigorously blacked out by the US media—by former British cabinet member Michael Meacher that the administration had ample forewarning of the terrorist attacks and welcomed them as a means of pushing through its longstanding plans for war.

            The question raised by Meacher—whether elements within the administration ordered a “stand-down” of US intelligence and the military to permit a terrorist action to take place and thereby provide the pretext for war—is one that must be fully investigated.

            Such an inquiry becomes all the more essential as the administration continues to use lies about September 11 to promote a policy that can only spell catastrophe for both the Iraqi and American people.

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49136

              #36
              Originally posted by lucky wilbury
              so can we go after clinton for all the countrys he went after? after all he went after iraq and yogoslavia etc etc etc
              Sure, give me a total casualty list and we'll look into it. Bush's Iraq adventure is approaching 1,300 dead.

              Clinton's policy on Iraq was the same one advocated to Bush by the Pentagon--CONTAINMENT! In order to avoid "breaking, and then buying" the fucking place.

              So far Clintons scheme in the Balkans seemed to have worked pretty well to me. Milosovec fell and is now in the Hague being tried for war crimes (last I heard) and the Yugoslavian people overthrew him and democratically elected another president.

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              • lucky wilbury

                #37
                1. bush never said mission accomplished,never impiled it and you know it

                2. posting someones op ed piece does you no good

                3. oh yeah saddam had nothing to do with al queda or terrorist in general maybe you missed the part where CLINTON blew up a plant in the sudan becauseof its ties to al queda and iraq

                maybe this al queda mofo isn't really in iraq even though the pic is from and interview he gave in iraq:



                he was involved in the first wtc

                or this other nut



                oh no he wasen't involved with the killing of a us diplomat pre iraq war. he just planned it from iraq



                or how about him? no threat right?

                or this fucker?



                he wasen't just hanging out in iraq. he was having so much fun he deciede to kill himslef by shooting himslef in the HEAD 4 TIMES while he was in baghdad



                and i guess this guy was just in the wrong place at the wrong time when h was CAUGHT in iraq last year.

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                • lucky wilbury

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  Sure, give me a total casualty list and we'll look into it. Bush's Iraq adventure is approaching 1,300 dead.
                  oh so it only matter with the number of dead i see. since your counting accidents in your iraq number is use them with kosovo as well it think in total including the peace keeping it was around 200.

                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  Clinton's policy on Iraq was the same one advocated to Bush by the Pentagon--CONTAINMENT! In order to avoid "breaking, and then buying" the fucking place.
                  i don't think a policy of containment includes bombing the place a half dozen times nor does it include a corrupt oil for food progam which has been used againest us in the arab world because they claimed it killed iraqi kids. in fact it work so well it was used as one of the excuses to bomb the shit out of the wtc in 01.

                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  So far Clintons scheme in the Balkans seemed to have worked pretty well to me. Milosovec fell and is now in the Hague being tried for war crimes (last I heard) and the Yugoslavian people overthrew him and democratically elected another president.
                  oh yeah worked real well. kosovo still as mess, peacekeepers have been in bosnonia for a decade etc etc etc

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49136

                    #39
                    Bush's Speech- May 1st, 2003 From the USS Abraham Lincoln

                    Full Text: Bush Speech Aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln
                    Thursday, May 1, 2003; 9:43 PM

                    This is the full transcript of President Bush's speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln to mark the end of major combat operations in Iraq.

                    Thank you. Thank you all very much. Admiral Kelly, Captain Card (ph), officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. (APPLAUSE) And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country. In this battle, we have fought for the cause of liberty and for the peace of the world. Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment, yet it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it. Your courage, your willingness to face danger for your country and for each other made this day possible. Because of you our nation is more secure. Because of you the tyrant has fallen and Iraq is free.

                    Operation Iraqi Freedom was carried out with a combination of precision and speed and boldness the enemy did not expect and the world had not seen before. From distant bases or ships at sea, we sent planes and missiles that could destroy an enemy division or strike a single bunker. Marines and soldiers charged to Baghdad across 350 miles of hostile ground in one of the swiftest advances of heavy arms in history. You have shown the world the skill and the might of the American armed forces. This nation thanks all of the members of our coalition who joined in a noble cause. We thank the armed forces of the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland who shared in the hardships of war. We thank all of the citizens of Iraq who welcomed our troops and joined in the liberation of their own country. And tonight, I have a special word for Secretary Rumsfeld, for General Franks and for all the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States: America is grateful for a job well done.(YA' THANKS DON AND TOMMY! EXCELLENT WORK!) (APPLAUSE)

                    The character of our military through history, the daring of Normandy, the fierce courage of Iwo Jima, the decency and idealism that turned enemies into allies is fully present in this generation. When Iraqi civilians looked into the faces of our service men and women, they saw strength and kindness and good will. When I look at the members of the United States military, I see the best of our country and I am honored to be your commander in chief. the images of fallen statues we have witnessed the arrival of a new era. For a hundred of years of war, culminating in the nuclear age, military technology was designed and deployed to inflict casualties on an ever-growing scale. In defeating Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, Allied forces destroyed entire cities, while enemy leaders who started the conflict were safe until the final days. Military power was used to end a regime by breaking a nation. Today we have the greater power to free a nation by breaking a dangerous and aggressive regime. With new tactics and precision weapons, we can achieve military objectives without directing violence against civilians. No device of man can remove the tragedy from war, yet it is a great advance when the guilty have far more to fear from war than the innocent. (APPLAUSE) In the images of celebrating Iraqis we have also seen the ageless appeal of human freedom. Decades of lies and intimidation could not make the Iraqi people love their oppressors or desire their own enslavement. Men and women in every culture need liberty like they need food and water and air. Everywhere that freedom arrives, humanity rejoices and everywhere that freedom stirs, let tyrants fear. (APPLAUSE)

                    We have difficult work to do in Iraq.(OK HE SAID THAT, I GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THAT MUCH) We're bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We're pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime who will be held to account for their crimes. We've begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated. We are helping to rebuild Iraq where the dictator built palaces for himself instead of hospitals and schools. And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by and for the Iraqi people. (APPLAUSE)

                    The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq. (APPLAUSE) [b]The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror

                    (THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CONCLUSIVE STATEMENT TO ME-VICTORY MEANS WAR OVER!)

                    that began on September the 11th, 2001 and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men, the shock troops of a hateful ideology, gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the beginning of the end of America. By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve and force our retreat from the world. They have failed.(HE IS FULL OF SHIT; RIGHT THERE BUSH LIES BY AGAIN TYING IRAQ TO 9/11)

                    (APPLAUSE) In the battle of Afghanistan, we destroyed the Taliban, many terrorists and the camps where they trained. We continue to help the Afghan people lay roads, restore hospitals and educate all of their children. Yet we also have dangerous work to complete. As I speak, a special operations task force lead by the 82nd Airborne is on the trail of the terrorists and those who seek to undermine the free government of Afghanistan. (APPLAUSE) From Pakistan to the Philippines to the Horn of Africa, we are hunting down Al Qaida killers. Nineteen months ago I pledged that the terrorists would not escape the patient justice of the United States. And as of tonight nearly one half of Al Qaida's senior operatives have been captured or killed. (APPLAUSE)

                    The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We have removed an ally of Al Qaida (BULLSHIT!) and cut off a source of terrorist funding.(BULLSHIT AGAIN!)

                    And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more.(NO THEY JUST HAVE A NICE ASSORTMENT OF CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS TO USE ON US TROOPS)
                    (APPLAUSE)

                    In these 19 months that changed the world, our actions have been focused and deliberate and proportionate to the offense. We have not forgotten the victims of September the 11th, the last phone calls, the cold murder of children, the searches in the rubble. With those attacks, the terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States, and war is what they got. (APPLAUSE) Our war against terror is proceeding according to the principles that I have made clear to all. Any person involved in committing or planning terrorist attacks against the American people becomes an enemy of this country and a target of American justice. (SO WHY IRAQ?) (APPLAUSE)

                    Any person, organization or government that supports, protects or harbors terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent and equally guilty of terrorist crimes. Any outlaw regime that has ties to terrorist groups and seeks or possesses weapons of mass destruction is a grave danger to the civilized world and will be confronted.(LIKE IRAN, NORTH KOREA?) (APPLAUSE)

                    And anyone in the world, including the Arab world, who works and sacrifices for freedom has a loyal friend in the United States of America. (APPLAUSE) Our commitment to liberty is America's tradition, declared at our founding, affirmed in Franklin Roosevelt's Four Freedoms, asserted in the Truman Doctrine and in Ronald Reagan's challenge to an evil empire. We are committed to freedom in Afghanistan, Iraq and in a peaceful Palestine. The advance of freedom is the surest strategy to undermine the appeal of terror in the world. Where freedom takes hold, hatred gives way to hope. When freedom takes hold, men and women turn to the peaceful pursuit of a better life. American values and American interests lead in the same direction. We stand for human liberty. (APPLAUSE)

                    The United States upholds these principles of security and freedom in many ways: with all of the tools of diplomacy, law enforcement, intelligence and finance. We are working with a broad coalition of nations that understand the threat and our shared responsibility to meet it. The use of force has been and remains our last resort. Yet all can know, friend and foe alike, that our nation has a mission: We will answer threats to our security, and we will defend the peace. (APPLAUSE)

                    Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike. (APPLAUSE)

                    The war on terror is not over, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide. No act of the terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve, or alter their fate. Their cause is lost; free nations will press on to victory. (APPLAUSE) Other nations in history have fought in foreign lands and remained to occupy and exploit. Americans, following a battle, want nothing more than to return home. And that is your direction tonight. (APPLAUSE)

                    After service in the Afghan and Iraqi theaters of war, after 100,000 miles on the longest carrier deployment in recent history, you are homeward bound. (APPLAUSE) Some of you will see new family members for the first time; 150 babies were born while their fathers were on the Lincoln. Your families are proud of you, and your nation will welcome you. (APPLAUSE)

                    We are mindful as well that some good men and women are not making the journey home. (AND A LOT MORE TO COME SADLY) One of those who fell, Corporal Jason Mileo, spoke to his parents five days before his death. Jason's father said, ``He called us from the center of Baghdad, not to brag but to tell us he loved us. Our son was a soldier. Every name, every life is a loss to our military, to our nation and to the loved ones who grieve. There is no homecoming for these families. Yet we pray in God's time their reunion will come. Those we lost were last seen on duty.

                    Their final act on this Earth was to fight a great evil and bring liberty to others. All of you, all in this generation of our military, have taken up the highest calling of history: You were defending your country and protecting the innocent from harm. And wherever you go, you carry a message of hope, a message that is ancient and ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, ``To the captives, come out; and to those in darkness, be free.''(OI VAY! MORE BIBLICAL QUOTES TO JUSTIFY WARS) Thank you for serving our country and our cause. May God bless you all. And may God continue to bless America. (APPLAUSE)
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                    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 12-04-2004, 05:51 PM.

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                    • lucky wilbury

                      #40
                      again you prove nothing. where does he say mission accomplihed. where des he say iraq was involved in 9-11. again he doesn't try all you might but he never said it. as far as wmd maybe i'll bump the threads where our guys got hit with SARIN in iraq. maybe i'll bump the thread where putin said saddam was planning terror attacks againes the us post 9-11 pre iraq war.
                      Last edited by lucky wilbury; 12-04-2004, 05:49 PM.

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                      • lucky wilbury

                        #41
                        this is from the other thread:

                        "After Sept. 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, the Russian special services, the intelligence service, received information that officials from Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States and outside it against the U.S. military and other interests," Putin said.

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                        • Nickdfresh
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                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49136

                          #42
                          Originally posted by lucky wilbury
                          again you prove nothing. where does he say mission accomplihed. where des he say iraq was involved in 9-11. again he doesn't try all you might but he never said it. as far as wmd maybe i'll bump the threads where our guys got hit with SARIN in iraq. maybe i'll bump the thread where putin said saddam was planning terror attacks againes the us post 9-11 pre iraq war.
                          You quibble over mere semantics my friend!

                          The fact remains that he is responsible for the banners his lackeys place up behind him.

                          No he didn't say "Mission Accomplished." He in fact said "The Battle for Iraq is one more victory in the War on Terror," which is equally appalling.

                          If we were indeed "victor(ious)," why was November the bloodiest month on record since the much vaunted "conclusion of major ground combat operations" in March of 2003?

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                          • lucky wilbury

                            #43
                            its not semantics. that banner was put there by the ships crew:




                            Later, a Pentagon spokesman called The Associated Press to reiterate that the banner was the crew's idea.

                            "It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew," Navy Cmdr. Conrad Chun said, adding the president's visit marked the end of the ship's 10-month international deployment.


                            the battle for iraq was won. you don't see another standing army on the field. the problems now are mostly from the almost 50,000 prisnors saddam released and forigners and a few saddam fedyeen. maybe you missed the articles that show saddam planned form this "guerrila" you want me to bump those as well? he did that hoping he could hide out for awhile, let these thugs drive us out of iraq(i'm quite sure he thought we would run just like clinton did after somilia in 93 which is why you saw a huge up tick in attacks on blackhawks in oct 03 the tenth anniversary of somilia that and the fact that sadams peoople had almost 20,000 copies of that movie and were told if they recreate it we would run) then he would return to power like he did before.
                            Last edited by lucky wilbury; 12-04-2004, 06:14 PM.

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                            • Ally_Kat
                              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 7608

                              #44
                              Re: Re: Ted Kennedy gives free Driving Lessons to Poor Teens

                              Originally posted by Phil theStalker
                              See Ally_Kat, as young as you are you knew this would be funny. That's good.


                              =PtS=
                              Fuck you Phil. Fuck you long and hard. You should be glad, no matter what side I'm on, that I take a vested interest in my country's politics, that MTV doesn't decide for me who I vote for, and that I can give a good explination of why I vote the way I vote.

                              So you can take your demeaning attitude towards me and my age, and shove it up your ass.

                              And that's my last response to you. Farewell.
                              Roth Army Militia

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                              • Nickdfresh
                                SUPER MODERATOR

                                • Oct 2004
                                • 49136

                                #45
                                Originally posted by lucky wilbury
                                its not semantics. that banner was put there by the ships crew:




                                Later, a Pentagon spokesman called The Associated Press to reiterate that the banner was the crew's idea.

                                "It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew," Navy Cmdr. Conrad Chun said, adding the president's visit marked the end of the ship's 10-month international deployment.


                                Classic ass covering! It has since been acknowledged it was in fact Bush's people.

                                the battle for iraq was won. you don't see another standing army on the field.

                                Your insane! Americans are dying in a war we "won!" Semantics! Standing army? Who gives a shit whether they are a standing army or a hit and run guerilla force. Those were the terms the British thought in during the American Revolution! "We won because no American army stands before us," qualify it how you will, we have won nothing until the country is secured! Give me a break.

                                the problems now are mostly from the almost 50,000 prisnors saddam released and forigners and a few saddam fedyeen.

                                NO!! Absolutely false! Recent Pentagon reports to the media suggest most of those killed in Falluja were Iraqis. The numbers of foriegn fighters are vastly exaggerated, even by many in the military know this. The Adminstration can spin this crap about fighting the terrorists in Iraq all they want! But we have created far more terrorists by doing so.



                                maybe you missed the articles that show saddam planned form this "guerilla" you want me to bump those as well? he did that hoping he could hide out for awhile, let these thugs drive us out of iraq(i'm quite sure he thought we would run just like clinton did after somilia in 93 which is why you saw a huge up tick in attacks on blackhawks in oct 03 the tenth anniversary of somilia that and the fact that sadams peoople had almost 20,000 copies of that movie and were told if they recreate it we would run) then he would return to power like he did before.
                                I'm not saying we should run. I am saying that the idiots that got us into this mess should be held accountable for it!

                                Take a look at any honest estimates of the situation and the most rosy assessment of the future for Iraq is that there might not be a civil war! The fact is that the battle plan was severally flawed from the beginning, troop numbers were too low to secure the situation. Yes we won a glorious victory over the Iraqi Army! We then failed to secure the situation thereafter. Maybe being tied down in a guerilla war was Bush's plan from the beginning, but I doubt it. The fact is there would be no guerilla army if a sizable segment of the Iraqi people didn't support it!

                                They lost all confidence in us after there power went out and we couldn't fix it for months. We initiated a power vacuum by destroying the Iraqi government and had nothing to replace it with other than a few self-serving corrupt pricks like Chalibi.

                                By the way, Somalia is the wrong analogy, I think Vietnam would be more fitting at this point. Maybe someone will come along like Richard Nixon and find a way to give us "peace with honor," but it's hard to be optimistic these days when we still have the same shitheads like Rumsfeld running the show.

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