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    Smile Yaay!! Now You 30-Something Neo Con's Can Join The War on Terror!

    Any of you "macho" pussies gonna join?

    Army Raises Maximum Age For Recruits
    By Jon R. Anderson
    Stars and Stripes
    European Edition
    March 21, 2005

    ARLINGTON, Va. — Battling recruiting and retention shortfalls among its part-time soldiers, the Army is launching a new experimental policy approving the acceptance of not-so-young recruits into the ranks of the Army National Guard and Reserve.

    Dubbed a three-year "test," the new policy will bump up the maximum age for new enlistments from 34 years to 39 years, according to an Army announcement.

    The policy applies to both men and women joining the military for the first time. The older recruits will be eligible for the same enlistment bonuses and other incentives as younger volunteers, according to the announcement. Those with prior service experience interested in reserves duty remain under existing rules.

    "The program will evaluate the feasibility of a permanent change to Army Reserve Component enlistment policy," reads the announcement. The test program begins immediately and will run through September 30, 2008. Set by law, the maximum age for active-duty recruits will remain at less than 35 years old.

    The move comes as reserve recruiters are struggling to convince potential recruits to join even as unit leaders are failing to convince enough troops to stay in uniform beyond initial contracts. Hundreds of thousands of part-time citizen soldiers have found themselves facing full-time duty in the combat zones, mostly under two-year mobilization orders. Of the more than 412,000 Guard and Reserve troops who have been activated since Sept. 11, 2001, more than 63,000 have been mobilized twice, according to Pentagon figures.

    Nearly half of the forces now in the Middle East and Central Asia come from the reserve components, noted Charles S. Abell, the Pentagon's top personnel officer, in prepared remarks delivered before lawmakers March 16.

    With that as backdrop, he wrote, "This will be a very challenging year for recruiting for the reserve components particularly in the Army National Guard and Reserve," which have born the vast majority of combat deployments among reserve forces. Both the Army Guard and Reserve, he wrote "are at high risk of falling short of their recruiting objectives."

    To help stem the tide, the Army National Guard is increasing its recruiting force by more than 25 percent, adding 1,400 new recruiters. Meanwhile, the Army Reserve is nearly doubling its recruiting ranks with 734 new recruiters.

    The Army's new policy should help their efforts.

    "Raising the maximum age for non-prior service enlistment expands the recruiting pool, provides motivated individuals an opportunity to serve, and strengthens the readiness of Reserve units," according to the Army statement announcing the new policy.

    All applicants must meet the same eligibility standards, to include passing the same physical standards and medical examination.

    "Experience has shown that older recruits who can meet the physical demands of military service generally make excellent Soldiers based on their maturity, motivation, loyalty, and patriotism," reads the announcement.

    It's too early to say how much the new policy will help recruiters, but officials are hopeful.

    "The impact of the measure on meeting enlistment goals has not been forecast, but it is expected to contribute to the Army's efforts to recruit top-quality individuals," according to the announcement.

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    I would have thought about it before I got married and had a kid, and was about ten years younger.

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    No excuses Warham. Support your pResident and his goddamned stupid war, if you believe in it. Sign up.
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    Originally posted by FORD
    No excuses Warham. Support your pResident and his goddamned stupid war, if you believe in it. Sign up.
    So 70 year olds who support Bush should sign up, FORD?

    Boy, you got some dumb logic there, pal.

    Obviously they can't, but they should, since they support him!

    I don't think the war is stupid, and I see no reason why we should have to sign up. The troops over there are VOLUNTEERS. I hope you can understand that word. Nobody was forced to do anything.

    You liberals act like these troops were drafted.

    The only drafts that would happen would be while a Democrat is in the White House, though, so that doesn't apply in this case.

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    Originally posted by Warham
    So 70 year olds who support Bush should sign up, FORD?

    Boy, you got some dumb logic there, pal.

    Obviously they can't, but they should, since they support him!

    I don't think the war is stupid, and I see no reason why we should have to sign up. The troops over there are VOLUNTEERS. I hope you can understand that word. Nobody was forced to do anything.
    You call HIS logic "dumb", yet you equate a 39 year old to a 70 year old?

    You're now a pussy AND a hypocrite.

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    http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/pu...?articleid=999
    70-year-old oral surgeon heeds Army’s call to duty


    By Craig Palmer

    Satellite Beach, Fla. — Dr. John J. Caulfield was incredulous about the Army's "unsolicited communication" inviting his return to active duty toward easing increasing wartime demands on military medical treatment facilities.

    Dr. Caulfield

    He disregarded the first postcard last December and the second and subsequent phone messages on the answering machine, not from any unwillingness to serve — "My government has never asked me to do anything I ever refused" — but figuring they used the wrong mailing list, it's not really me they want.

    The Army persisted. Would Dr. Caulfield, oral surgeon and Vietnam veteran, retired from military service in 1980 and civilian practice Jan. 1, be willing to return to active duty in, say, Iraq or Afghanistan? The negotiations began with Dr. Caulfield asking, "Do you know how old I am?" They did, and age doesn't matter, "We want you."

    Dr. Caulfield, who turned 70 Aug. 7, reports to Fort Benning, Ga., Oct. 17 for what he and the military describe as "voluntary deployment" with the 325th Combat Support Hospital in Bagram, Afghanistan.

    "I don't know at this time if there is anyone older," said Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty, Army public affairs officer. "But there are no age limitations for retired medical professionals. We sent cards to hundreds of people. It's a personnel policy. In certain specialties we are asking for retired professionals to return for a short tour on active duty. But it's purely voluntary. It's really for a volunteer in good shape. There's a lot of need for medical professionals over there."

    How short the tour? Dr. Caulfield understands it to be a three-month assignment. "I believe it's 120 days," said Lt. Col. Hilferty.

    Dr. Caulfield sees himself as "a kind of fatalist" and Afghanistan as "moderately busy for my specialty." He invokes harsher descriptions for the requisite reconstruction of professional and military careers just to get the assignment. "Getting reactivated is a complicated, time consuming, frustrating and, yes, somewhat demeaning process," he said.

    What it meant was "vetting" the past by running down all the transcripts, personal recommendations and documentation from high school, college, professional school, internship, residency, licensure boards, hospitals with privilege, professional liability history and appointments "from everywhere I had ever practiced or been licensed." That meant affirmation from a classmate at a high school that no longer exists who said upon their reacquaintance, "John, I heard you were dead."

    So it came to this. "After clearing it with my wife of 47 years, I agreed to go anyplace where she could join me." The Army suggested Iraq. "Only if I'm really needed," Dr. Caulfield demurred. Then how about Afghanistan? the Army responded.

    "Let's put it this way, I have orders," said Dr. Caulfield. "So much for going somewhere my wife could accompany me."

    "We appreciate people like Dr. Caulfield," said Lt. Col. Hilferty. "He's a patriot. I have great respect for him."

    Dr. Caulfield, father of four, grandfather of eight, figures he's in "reasonable good health with the exception of meds for hypertension, acid reflux and a little osteoarthritis," and good to go. But he wonders if the Army Medical Service isn't "stretched thin" in having to reach for retired oral surgeons, ophthalmologists, psychiatrists, nurse anesthetists and other specialists for combat duty

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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    You call HIS logic "dumb", yet you equate a 39 year old to a 70 year old?

    You're now a pussy AND a hypocrite.

    well done
    I wish you could read, Lounge. Didn't I tell you to get a refund for that diploma you got?

    I said they CAN'T, but they should, according to FORD's demented logic. I'm sure FORD thinks they'll keep raising the minimum age, eventually getting up to 70, to get more bodies over there to get killed.

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    Originally posted by Warham
    So 70 year olds who support Bush should sign up, FORD?

    Boy, you got some dumb logic there, pal.

    Obviously they can't, but they should, since they support him!

    I don't think the war is stupid, and I see no reason why we should have to sign up. The troops over there are VOLUNTEERS. I hope you can understand that word. Nobody was forced to do anything.

    You liberals act like these troops were drafted.

    The only drafts that would happen would be while a Democrat is in the White House, though, so that doesn't apply in this case.
    Actually, there have been some who were more or less "forced" to go over to that shithole, and some of them were actually in their 60's and 70's. This was done through some backdoor draft manipulation, like somebody forgetting to sign one line on a form in 1973 or whatever. This is the ONLY way the BCE has been able to dodge a draft (Junior's good at that) so far.

    Of course, if they invade another country, even that's not gonna cut it.

    Don't be surprised if the draft topic comes up about 6 weeks from now. Just a hunch......

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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    You call HIS logic "dumb", yet you equate a 39 year old to a 70 year old?

    You're now a pussy AND a hypocrite.

    well done
    I have to agree here, Ham. I owned up when I went off in the wrong direction. C'mon. Stop paying lip service. You're an able bodied supporter, who is within the age confines. Put yr money where your mouth is.

    (BTW, thi si actually bad. IF - IF - there comes a time for a draft, it makes all of us all the more eligible. except for Ford, who would obviously be 4-F.)

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    Either way.....

    you're still a hypocritical pussy.

    Not a very bright one, at that.

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    John Caulfield:
    "Please you young whippersnappers in your 30s. My iron hip can't take another trip to "The Green Zone". All those metal detectors had me flying around like a Nun from a 1950s TV show.
    Please, sign up so I don't have to!"
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    Originally posted by Warham
    So 70 year olds who support Bush should sign up, FORD?

    Boy, you got some dumb logic there, pal.

    Obviously they can't, but they should, since they support him!

    I don't think the war is stupid, and I see no reason why we should have to sign up. The troops over there are VOLUNTEERS. I hope you can understand that word. Nobody was forced to do anything.

    You liberals act like these troops were drafted.

    The only drafts that would happen would be while a Democrat is in the White House, though, so that doesn't apply in this case.
    C'mon WARHAM, you can now join the USAReserve up to age 39! Active forces cut off at 35. I mean, odds are you won't get depolyed, more than once or twice. Now you can put your career/family on hold and march off to fight the War on Terra' in Iraaaq! After all, you do support OTHER PEOPLE fighting your War!


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    Originally posted by academic punk
    I have to agree here, Ham. I owned up when I went off in the wrong direction. C'mon. Stop paying lip service. You're an able bodied supporter, who is within the age confines. Put yr money where your mouth is.

    And now the backpeddling begins.......


    Oh I would but I just had a kid...........

    SO FUCKING WHAT, ASSWIPE. MANY OF THOSE WHO SERVED AND DIED IN THIS SHAM OF A WAR DID TOO

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    Originally posted by steve
    http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/pu...?articleid=999
    70-year-old oral surgeon heeds Army’s call to duty


    By Craig Palmer

    Satellite Beach, Fla. — Dr. John J. Caulfield...
    WTF!?!:confused: They're actually asking a 70-year-old man to go to a War zone? I could see if they asked him to be a 'DA civilian' at a nearby base, but to Afghanistan?

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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    Either way.....

    you're still a hypocritical pussy.

    Not a very bright one, at that.

    Internet Tough Guy. Go back to hiding under your bed.
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    What about ELVIS? Isn't he younger than 40? The Army really needs nurses to treat those causualties!

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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    Internet Tough Guy. Go back to hiding under your bed.
    You should talk! You're the biggest 'internet tough-guy' here!

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    Oh, but wait...your support for Bush extends only to your fucking tax break.

    Fuckin' liar. Your only God isn't the teachings of Jesus, it's MONEY.

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    No, my support of Bush's policies isn't totally inclusive (Lounge wouldn't know what that big word means. He'll have to check out dictionary.com to figure it out).

    I don't agree with his border policy for one.

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    Originally posted by academic punk
    Oh, but wait...your support for Bush extends only to your fucking tax break.

    Fuckin' liar. Your only God isn't the teachings of Jesus, it's MONEY.
    You sure like to put out the jokes, but you sure don't understand them when they come your way.

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    What about ELVIS? Isn't he younger than 40? The Army really needs nurses to treat those causualties!
    Bwaaa ha ha ha!!!! ROTFMLOL!

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    If every 18-39 male Bush supporter entered the service, wouldn't be too good for the economy over here, would it?

    Let's see.

    62,000,000 folks voted for Bush. About half were male. So that's 31,000,000. Say about 40% (a lowball figure) of those males were under the age of 39.

    That's about 12 million jobs lost in this country due to all those males signing up for service. The GNP would decrease tremendously.
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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    You should talk! You're the biggest 'internet tough-guy' here!


    Hey, maybe "under the bed" is where that pesky receipt is...

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    Originally posted by Warham
    If every 18-39 male Bush supporter entered the service, wouldn't be too good for the economy over here, would it?

    So first you duck by comparigng yourself to a 70 year old. Now you're worried that EVERYONE will join.

    Nonono, hammy, it's just you. You may have the ability to please the wife like a 70 year old (and I'm only talking about your BREATH here), but I'm sure they'd find a place for ya at Fort Useless Dick.

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    What about ELVIS? Isn't he younger than 40? The Army really needs nurses to treat those causualties!
    And he could convert all of those evil muslims before they burn in hell

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    Originally posted by academic punk
    So first you duck by comparigng yourself to a 70 year old. Now you're worried that EVERYONE will join.

    Nonono, hammy, it's just you. You may have the ability to please the wife like a 70 year old (and I'm only talking about your BREATH here), but I'm sure they'd find a place for ya at Fort Useless Dick.

    Fucking CLASSIC

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    Originally posted by academic punk
    So first you duck by comparigng yourself to a 70 year old. Now you're worried that EVERYONE will join.

    Nonono, hammy, it's just you. You may have the ability to please the wife like a 70 year old (and I'm only talking about your BREATH here), but I'm sure they'd find a place for ya at Fort Useless Dick.
    Hey, I never compared myself to a 70 year old.

    You were the one who compared Terri Shiavo to Jesus.

    The one make these comparisons is you, not I, good sir.

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    Originally posted by academic punk
    So first you duck by comparigng yourself to a 70 year old. Now you're worried that EVERYONE will join.

    .

    Flipflopper

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    Originally posted by Warham
    You sure like to put out the jokes, but you sure don't understand them when they come your way.

    You're right. But it's not just your jokes, it's also your warped logic. BBB and Big Train at least have a rationale behind their stances.

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    My logic isn't warped at all.

    I think you guys type too fast, and don't read very well.

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    My question to FORD was, and I made the point using a 70 year old.

    Should ever man and woman who supports George Bush sign up for service? Women can join too, ya know.

    It's a valid question, and I'd like you to answer.

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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    And he could convert all of those evil muslims before they burn in hell
    And his fellow nurses can call him "Hotlips."

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    Originally posted by Warham
    My question to FORD was, and I made the point using a 70 year old.

    Should ever man and woman who supports George Bush sign up for service? Women can join too, ya know.

    It's a valid question, and I'd like you to answer.

    But we're tralking specifically about YOU here, sweet cheeks.

    Let's not get into abstracts.

    YOU - YOU support the war, you believe in the effort...so put your money where your mouth is...support our military and the administrations policies in more than just lip service on a David Lee Roth message board.

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    And his fellow nurses can call him "Hotlips."
    hahahahahahahahaa

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    Jeb is in the news...reneweing his call to spare terri...

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    List of NEO CON War supporters (BIGBADBRIAN is excused, being medically retired from the USN):

    McCarrans

    BIG TRAIN

    WARHAM

    SGT. SCHULTZ

    ELVIS

    LOUOOOO!!! (only 23 0r 24, hey he could've enlisted at anytime! )

    JACKSMAR

    Who else?

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    How many threads are we gonna have based on this tired and faulty logic?

    I believe in going to Mars..should I have to be an astronaut?

    I believe in fiscal reform..should I be an expert in economics?

    I believe in eating meat...should I have to be a line cook (and endanger Lounge's job?). I like fries with meat (should I take over Nick's after school job
    )

    If you believe in any of this "Support the war/go to war" nonsense then I guess so. To me this is as tired as any "Clinton Obsession" thread around here. But, it is something libs feel they can "get" Neo Cons on, which is sad. How about you "get" them in the elections...asking to much?

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    Originally posted by academic punk
    But we're tralking specifically about YOU here, sweet cheeks.

    Let's not get into abstracts.

    YOU - YOU support the war, you believe in the effort...so put your money where your mouth is...support our military and the administrations policies in more than just lip service on a David Lee Roth message board.
    Don't just pick on me, punk. Pick on every Bush voter.

    I already answered the question.

    If you were so serious about politics, you wouldn't be here either.

    This forum is strictly for entertainment.



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    Originally posted by Big Train
    How many threads are we gonna have based on this tired and faulty logic?

    I believe in going to Mars..should I have to be an astronaut?

    I believe in fiscal reform..should I be an expert in economics?

    I believe in eating meat...should I have to be a line cook (and endanger Lounge's job?). I like fries with meat (should I take over Nick's after school job
    )

    If you believe in any of this "Support the war/go to war" nonsense then I guess so. To me this is as tired as any "Clinton Obsession" thread around here. But, it is something libs feel they can "get" Neo Cons on, which is sad. How about you "get" them in the elections...asking to much?
    But this a NEW thread, since the US Army Reserve now accepts 39-year-olds. That's one of the biggest excuses I hear around here is that "I'm too old," well goddamnit! Enlist in the USAR or stop voting other people too War! It's only part-time right?

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    Originally posted by Big Train
    How many threads are we gonna have based on this tired and faulty logic?

    I believe in going to Mars..should I have to be an astronaut?

    I believe in fiscal reform..should I be an expert in economics?

    I believe in eating meat...should I have to be a line cook (and endanger Lounge's job?). I like fries with meat (should I take over Nick's after school job
    )
    You mean would you like a martini or a Sam Adams as well?...My other after school job is selling MP3's. And you see the girls I work with. And I bet you do like meat.

    If you believe in any of this "Support the war/go to war" nonsense then I guess so. To me this is as tired as any "Clinton Obsession" thread around here. But, it is something libs feel they can "get" Neo Cons on, which is sad. How about you "get" them in the elections...asking to much?
    I believe people should put their money where ther mouth is! And stop putting such a huge burden on a relatively small number of people with their holier-than-now political retoric about making the world safe for democracy! There's a recruitment shortage, so IT IS A VALID ISSUE! You're the one displaying faulty logic pal!

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