http://www.wordsasweapons.com/warconnections.htm
I am just learning about the connections between the Bushes, Bin Ladens and the Iraq war.
Thought I would share...pretty scare stuff. enjoy
http://www.wordsasweapons.com/warconnections.htm
I am just learning about the connections between the Bushes, Bin Ladens and the Iraq war.
Thought I would share...pretty scare stuff. enjoy
Welcome to our world. [such as it is.]Originally posted by scorpioboy33
http://www.wordsasweapons.com/warconnections.htm
I am just learning about the connections between the Bushes, Bin Ladens and the Iraq war.
Thought I would share...pretty scare stuff. enjoy
Be afraid.
Be very afraid.
Originally Posted by Kristy
Required reading:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846
Read this and suddenly FORD won't seem entirely crazy after all...
Excellent choice.Originally posted by academic punk
Required reading:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846
Read this and suddenly FORD won't seem entirely crazy after all...
Also read House of Bush, House of Saud by Craig Unger
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846
FORD aint crazy.
the thing that gets me is that the media doesn't grab this info and run with it?
Originally posted by scorpioboy33
the thing that gets me is that the media doesn't grab this info and run with it?
Again, read TRUE LIES.
It exposes a lot of truths about Bush (and Clinton), but mainly it's a precis on how the corporate interests have betrayed the responsibilities of those who run our media.
Read it. Yesterday.
And while you're at it, start going to other countries web sites, an reading how they dissemanate their news.
www.bbc.co.uk
This one is also good, even just as a (sometimes very funny) example of how journalists should behave towards our policy makers and electd officials...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=UTF8&v=glance
Well, since we're making recommended summer reading lists:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...80739?v=glance
Thanks D
How'd we over look that one?
Don't forget to wear your tinfoil hats too!
At all times!
Be afraid. They're watching YOU!
BOO!
The guys in IRAQ wear kevlar...Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Don't forget to wear your tinfoil hats too!
At all times!
Be afraid. They're watching YOU!
BOO!
You think he cares?Originally posted by Nickdfresh
The guys in IRAQ wear kevlar...
He still thinks " Mission Accomplished "
No need to look for anwswers, he just follows the script.
Another Lemming.
http://www.oilempire.us/bushbinladen.html
Check this out
I'll put a couple of quotes from CLARK's book up tomorrow, the guy's proved to be dead-on!
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Writer says allies knew about 9/11 beforehand
By TONY FREEMANTLE
WHY AMERICA SLEPT:
The Failure to Prevent 9/11.
By Gerald Posner.
Random House, $24.95; 256 pp.
Cover
Hindsight, as we well know, is 20/20.
There are few events that, viewed through the prism of time, could not have been prevented or ameliorated if warnings had been heeded, connections established, priorities shifted.
Such is certainly the case with the awful events of Sept. 11, 2001. For years leading up to the suicide attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, numerous opportunities to thwart our enemies, or apprehend them before they could do us harm, were squandered.
Many of these miscues -- some inadvertent, some simply appalling -- are well-known and have been extensively documented in books and news reports in the two years since the attacks. Gerald Posner, a Wall Street lawyer turned investigative writer, provides ample new evidence of them in Why America Slept: The Failure to Prevent 9/11, his latest work.
Ironically Posner, who is best-known for his book debunking the conspiracy theories that stick to the John F. Kennedy assassination like flies, breaks significant new ground in this sad tale by creating a conspiracy theory.
Prominent figures in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, countries that are nominally our friends, knew beforehand that Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida was planning an attack on important American targets, Posner reveals. They did not know which targets, but they knew the date, and they apparently did not warn us.
Not only that. The Saudis, Posner claims, had a secret deal with bin Laden going back to 1991 and approved by Prince Turki al-Faisal bin Abdul Aziz, the kingdom's intelligence chief, that they would finance his holy war and not extradite him as long as he kept his jihad off Saudi soil.
The Pakistani connection involved a high-ranking air force officer, Mushaf Ali Mir. Posner says that in a 1996 meeting, Mir, who had close ties to Islamic extremists in the Pakistani intelligence agency, promised bin Laden protection, arms and supplies for al-Qaida. This arrangement had been "blessed" by the Saudis, he says.
Posner drops this bombshell in the last chapter of his book. Up to that point, all he has done is add to the bulging dossier of evidence that someone -- the intelligence community, the White House, Congress -- was asleep at the switch in the years leading up to the most coordinated and devastating terrorist attack in history.
What makes this book worth reading begins with the arrest, in the Pakistani city of Faisalabad early on March 28, 2002, of Abu Zubaydah, a close associate of bin Laden and the source on the Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/al-Qaida connections. It is a riveting account of the wounding, arrest and interrogation of Zubaydah, who is believed to have been behind several executed and planned attacks, including the one on the USS Cole in Yemen in 2000.
Gravely injured, Zubaydah was uncooperative, despite the use of "quick-on, quick-off" painkillers. His interrogators hoped that feeding the painkillers into his intravenous drip when he started talking, and stopping it when he stopped talking, would induce the recalcitrant captive to start telling them what he knew.
When that didn't work, the Americans transferred him to a base in Afghanistan where a room was made to look like a Saudi torture chamber. Two Arab-American special forces members posed as Saudi questioners.
"His reaction was not fear, but instead relief," Posner reports. "The prisoner, who had been reluctant even to confirm his identity to his American captors, suddenly started talking animatedly. He was happy to see (the supposed Saudis), he said, because he feared the Americans would torture and then kill him."
Zubaydah told his interrogators to call Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz to vouch for him, and he gave them the prince's home number. "He will tell you what to do," Zubaydah said. Prince Ahmed, a nephew of King Fahd, was the head of a Saudi publishing empire and was known in the West as the owner of the Kentucky Derby winner War Emblem.
The telephone number checked out, but the interrogators told the drugged Zubaydah they did not believe him, and in an effort to convince them of his veracity, the captive unleashed a torrent of information about the links among Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and al-Qaida. Posner's source, an unnamed investigator, calls the information "the Rosetta Stone of 9/11."
"He was essentially trying to play his `Get Out of Jail Free' card," the investigator told Posner. "He spoke to them (the fake Saudi interrogators) as if they were the ones in trouble if they did not take him seriously. And he was anxious to have his information confirmed before we (the Americans) returned."
Zubaydah said money was funneled to al-Qaida through channels other than Prince Ahmed. These channels included two other nephews of King Fahd -- Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud and Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir -- and Zubaydah again supplied their private phone numbers.
And then he dropped his bombshell: Both Mir, the Pakistani officer, and Prince Ahmed knew that the 9/11 attack was "scheduled for American soil for that day."
Shortly after that, Zubaydah learned he had been duped, and he clammed up. He is still in U.S. custody.
Both Saudi Arabia and Pakistan assured the United States that the allegations were "false and malicious," Posner writes. Without clear proof, and with the conflict in Afghanistan and the looming war with Iraq on the American agenda, "creating an international incident" over the matter was "out of the question."
And here comes the conspiracy theory, which Posner concedes could be pure coincidence.
Less than four months after Zubaydah's revelations, Prince Ahmed died at the age of 43 of a heart attack. The next day, Prince Sultan died in a single-car accident while on his way to his cousin's funeral. A week later, Prince Fahd died of thirst, according to the official account, while on a trip to the Saudi province of Ramaah. Prince Turki was dismissed as the Saudi intelligence chief before 9/11 and is currently Saudi ambassador to Great Britain.
And in Pakistan, seven months later, an airplane believed to be in good mechanical order, flying in good weather, crashed in the country's northwest provinces, killing everyone on board, including Mir and a slew of his closest confidants.
"It's interesting that we can't talk to most of the people that Zubaydah named because they all died after he told us about them," Posner's source says. "But it does make a lot of us wonder what these people might have known about 9/11 and failed to tell us."
It makes us wonder, too.
Tony Freemantle is a reporter for the Chronicle.
Ya know....not to get off subject, but
At first glance, this Thread Title would give one reason to believe Osama has just joined Belinda from The Go Gos on tour.
I'm checking pollstar and ticketmaster now.
Bin Laden is "mad about you" Lounge...
Here is something to ponder. If all of this shit is true,that Bush and the Sauds have some sort of understanding and what not, why wouldn't the Sauds give up those responsible just to keep the peace, for at least business purposes?
Everyone knows this terrorism shit is bad for business in the long term. Sure it is driving up oil prices and such, but it is also fueling demand for alt energy sources from customers who traditionally would not be inclined to pursue such things. Not to mention the bombs and general gore going on over there.
Tell me why, if they are all in such cahoots, they can't work out a simple deal to keep the peace? Give me a valid reason and I'll buy into this supposed scenario.
Is there where we post our crazy liberal conspiracy theories?
I'll have to dig some up and post them later.
it's later than you think.
rent my fully stocked bunker in kamatchka.
all jokes aside,
am i alone in thinking that a meeting of the worlds wealthy
industrial/ primary production/ labour chiefs would happen
on a daily basis?
if anything, the bin laden link probably made osama MORE likely to
want to attack. on that day.
i guess it's easy to be an anti-capitalist millionaire.
Read this and you'll be talking to Guiness bottles like he does and start spouting "BCE" for everything that's wrong in the world.Originally posted by academic punk
Read this and suddenly FORD won't seem entirely crazy after all...
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“If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
Well, it's impossible that the attacks could have been organized around that very day.Originally posted by ashstralia
all jokes aside,
am i alone in thinking that a meeting of the worlds wealthy
industrial/ primary production/ labour chiefs would happen
on a daily basis?
if anything, the bin laden link probably made osama MORE likely to
want to attack. on that day.
i guess it's easy to be an anti-capitalist millionaire.
But I will say this: the fact that George H.W. Bush WAS in Washington that day proves to me that this particuklar element of the conspiracy is false. It would've raised no questions if the guy had been in Kennebunkport, Me on that day...so if the attacks were something that W and Cheney and whatnot wwre in on, don't you think there's no way HW would put himself anywhere NEAR DC, for fear of a) injury or death, and b) such a glaring thing for conspiracy theorists.
That being said: the same way a potential jurist cannot serve on a trial if he knows the defendent or anyone involved, the fact that the Bush famioly has such strong and longstanding ties to these families (the bin Ladens, the House of Saud) does raise major questions. There is definitely a conflict of interest when your strongest business ties and the world's most wanted terrorist are of the same family.
BTW, I assume maddvibe, war, and BBB, you have not read any of these books at all? Before you pass judgement on them, perhaps you should. Thery're not the works of nutters who talk to their beer bottles or wear tin foil. That is, unless you make the mistake of thinking the likes of Richard A Clarke - whose every word re: 9/11 wound up being backed up by the Commission's investigation, and who served for evfery administration since Reagan - merit ridicule.
And by the way, I've read a number of very pro_Bush books as well, among them David Frum's and his own A Charge to Keep.
I do try to get as much info from as many sides of the coin as I can. We'd all be well served to attempt the same.
(How I - or anyone else - filters and interprets it is another story)
I suggest David Icke books to all you who believe in this sort of thing. He suggests that the Bush family are reptoids from another galaxy, hellbent on ruling the Earth.
Never heard of 'em.Originally posted by Warham
I suggest David Icke books to all you who believe in this sort of thing. He suggests that the Bush family are reptoids from another galaxy, hellbent on ruling the Earth.
Ever get a good look at Junior's eyes during one of his pathetic "press conferences"??Originally posted by Warham
I suggest David Icke books to all you who believe in this sort of thing. He suggests that the Bush family are reptoids from another galaxy, hellbent on ruling the Earth.
The guy's pupils are black.
Remember that alien virus from the "X-Files" that turned someone's eyes black whenever it invaded their body?
Just sayin'...... actually Cheney looks more like the reptile.
Eat Us And Smile
Cenk For America 2024!!
Justice Democrats
"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992
Reptoids are like the grays (the ones that wackos believe met with Franklin Roosevelt in 1934 and crashed at Roswell in '47), only they look like snakes with arms and legs. They can change their appearance to look like humans, and like to drink human blood.
Here's a good one to start with:
Total wacko.
Lovely.
Reducing Richard A Clarke to John Varley/Robert A Wilson levels?
For Christ's sake.
CHENEY is definitely not of this earth...
'Once you start down the wacko path, forever will it dominate your destiny.'Originally posted by academic punk
Lovely.
Reducing Richard A Clarke to John Varley/Robert A Wilson levels?
For Christ's sake.
Originally posted by Warham
'Once you start down the wacko path, forever will it dominate your destiny.'
you would know...
Quoting Prescott Bush now, are we?Originally posted by Warham
'Once you start down the wacko path, forever will it dominate your destiny.'
Too bad there aren't more Hale-Bopp comet flyovers!
I fail to see the connection between the sworn, and substantiated, testimony of the former head of the NSC, and a putzes like Doh (or however he spelt his name) and his followers, but, hey, if you want to live in a world of willful ignorance, go right on ahead.Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Too bad there aren't more Hale-Bopp comet flyovers!
I'm still waiting for someone to respond to my question..i'm just curious what you think.
Because gw&friends (extended network too) got greedy. Not exactly hard to believe judging by their actions lately.Originally posted by Big Train
Tell me why, if they are all in such cahoots, they can't work out a simple deal to keep the peace? Give me a valid reason and I'll buy into this supposed scenario.
gnaw on it
Originally posted by academic punk
There is definitely a conflict of interest when your strongest business ties and the world's most wanted terrorist are of the same family.
this is just my point, ap, that an estranged loony has become
very upset with his family's ties to 'the infidels'.
now if osama had, say, 18 months notice that a meeting was scheduled
for that day, would he not have the resources to organize 9/11?
Originally posted by ashstralia
this is just my point, ap, that an estranged loony has become
very upset with his family's ties to 'the infidels'.
now if osama had, say, 18 months notice that a meeting was scheduled
for that day, would he not have the resources to organize 9/11?
Uh...I would be AMAZED if anyone ever in the history of the world scheduled a meeting 18 months in advance.
Personally, I can't make plans for Friday night before some are referring to it as Saturday morning...
The question why they wouldn't want to keep the peace?Originally posted by Big Train
I'm still waiting for someone to respond to my question..i'm just curious what you think.
Two reasons: lots of money to be made through defense contracts and oil ties. The Carlyle group (on which HW Bush is a board member, along with members of the bin Laden family) made nearly 300 million dollars after going public, and plus the oil ties with the House of Saud, as well as your Halliburtons and what have you.
The other is that they are taking the long view here. They really beleive that in the future this will be the best tactic for the country, and by extenstion, the world. "You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" train of thought. The problem with this thinking is that it requires a directness of thought and approach, which some would say tunnel/narrow vision. Variables come into the mix. X factors will always arise.
one of those factors is that maybe the rest of the world isn't interested in this country's model of government. Some find it to be the most imperialistic country that has ever existed, while others believe it to be the most democratic.
I have a downstairs neighbor. What he calls his ceiling is what I call my floor.
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