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    Warnings On N.O. Levee System Were Repeatedly made!

    Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen? 'Times-Picayune' Had Repeatedly Raised Federal Spending Issues

    By Will Bunch

    Published: August 31, 2005 9:00 PM ET

    PHILADELPHIA Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city, the waters may still keep rising in New Orleans. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block-long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until it's level with the massive lake.

    New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

    Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

    Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

    Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The Times-Picayune Web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it coming. ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

    In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

    On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

    Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

    "The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."

    The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.

    The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs.

    There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

    "That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount. But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said."

    The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late.

    One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer: a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday.

    The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night observed, "The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. ... In its budget, the Bush administration proposed a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say they need."

    Local officials are now saying, the article reported, that had Washington heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane protection, including building up levees and repairing barrier islands, "the damage might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be."

    Will Bunch (letters@editorandpublisher.com) is senior writer at the Philadelphia Daily News. He won a Pulitzer Prize in 1992 when he reported for Newsday. Much of this article also appears on his blog, Attytood, at the Daily News.

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    You could spend all sorts of money but keeping a city under sea level surrounded by water dry is kind of a fools game. The worst scenero has happened. I say let New Orleans and the surrounding areas turn back into a swamp and move the port farther upstream.

    In the past, I read lots of articles on how the levys and the channeling of water were ruining southern Louisianna's wetlands anyways. Well, mother nature fixed it and all the shit, piss, and dead bodies will make great fertilizer to get the plant life growing again.
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    Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen? 'Times-Picayune' Had Repeatedly Raised Federal Spending Issues

    By Will Bunch

    Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

    Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.
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    Blame Amid the Tragedy
    Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents.

    BY BOB WILLIAMS
    Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

    As the devastation of Hurricane Katrina continues to shock and sadden the nation, the question on many lips is, Who is to blame for the inadequate response?

    As a former state legislator who represented the legislative district most impacted by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980, I can fully understand and empathize with the people and public officials over the loss of life and property.

    Many in the media are turning their eyes toward the federal government, rather than considering the culpability of city and state officials. I am fully aware of the challenges of having a quick and responsive emergency response to a major disaster. And there is definitely a time for accountability; but what isn't fair is to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin.

    The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center.

    The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.

    In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.

    A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected.

    The New Orleans contingency plan is still, as of this writing, on the city's Web site, and states: "The safe evacuation of threatened populations is one of the principle [sic] reasons for developing a Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan." But the plan was apparently ignored.

    Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation.

    The city's evacuation plan states: "The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded. The plan also states that "special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed." This was not done.

    The evacuation plan warned that "if an evacuation order is issued without the mechanisms needed to disseminate the information to the affected persons, then we face the possibility of having large numbers of people either stranded and left to the mercy of a storm, or left in an area impacted by toxic materials." That is precisely what happened because of the mayor's failure.

    Instead of evacuating the people, the mayor ordered the refugees to the Superdome and Convention Center without adequate security and no provisions for food, water and sanitary conditions. As a result people died, and there was even rape committed, in these facilities. Mayor Nagin failed in his responsibility to provide public safety and to manage the orderly evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans. Now he wants to blame Gov. Blanco and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In an emergency the first requirement is for the city's emergency center to be linked to the state emergency operations center. This was not done.

    The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid.

    In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. It is likely that thousands of people died because of the failure of Gov. Blanco to implement the state plan, which mentions the possible need to evacuate up to one million people. The plan clearly gives the governor the authority for declaring an emergency, sending in state resources to the disaster area and requesting necessary federal assistance.

    State legislators and governors nationwide need to update their contingency plans and the operation procedures for state emergency centers. Hurricane Katrina had been forecast for days, but that will not always be the case with a disaster (think of terrorist attacks). It must be made clear that the governor and locally elected officials are in charge of the "first response."

    I am not attempting to excuse some of the delays in FEMA's response. Congress and the president need to take corrective action there, also. However, if citizens expect FEMA to be a first responder to terrorist attacks or other local emergencies (earthquakes, forest fires, volcanoes), they will be disappointed. The federal government's role is to offer aid upon request.

    The Louisiana Legislature should conduct an immediate investigation into the failures of state and local officials to implement the written emergency plans. The tragedy is not over, and real leadership in the state and local government are essential in the months to come. More importantly, the hurricane season is still upon us, and local and state officials must stay focused on the jobs for which they were elected--and not on the deadly game of passing the emergency buck.

    Mr. Williams is president of the Evergreen Freedom Foundation, a free market public policy research organization in Olympia, Wash.

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219

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    Wow AssVibe, I post actual articles and you RE-post BUSHeep CYA op-ed pieces. Fuck bag!

    Do you actually have an opinion of your own Ms.BitchVibe, or does SEAN HANNITY form your opinion?

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    Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
    The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.

    True...

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    Funny, no one has addressed the chronic underfunding of the levee system yet.

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    I have mentioned it several times...

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    Nick, it's probably because you keep trying to drum over and over that it's entirely the fed's fault and it wasn't.
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    Who the fuck gave Bob Williams a national headline??

    Have the neocons finally scraped the bottom of the crazed right wing lunatic barrel that they need to draft this minor league shit for brains failed GOP politician turned lobbyist against anything that interferes with corporate supremacy.

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    Sorry he doesn't meet up to the personal success standard that you have raised so high, Dave.

    But can you factually dispute what he says? FACTUALLY.

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    Originally posted by diamondD
    Nick, it's probably because you keep trying to drum over and over that it's entirely the fed's fault and it wasn't.
    Exactly.

    A city is responsible to itself for it's own improvements, particularly one in such a precarious a position as NO.


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    If it keeps on rainin’, levee’s goin’ to break,
    When the levee breaks I’ll have no place to stay.
    Mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
    Lord, mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
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    Originally posted by diamondD
    Nick, it's probably because you keep trying to drum over and over that it's entirely the fed's fault and it wasn't.
    Uh no dude...

    http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...773#post686773

    I've said I blame ALL LEVELS of gov't for this about three or four times now.

    But I get a little nauseated when I see about five of the same op-ed, it's all the mayor's and governor's faults articles...

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    The Hurricane Levee Project was a federal project.

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    This is something I truly dont understand. NO, like Rotterdam in the Netherlands is one of the most vital ports in the western world and has huge economic importance to the US, as Rotterdam has to mainland Europe. Pretty much the whole of the Netherlands is under sea level and is at risk from the North Sea and the major rivers of Europe. The dutch have spent billions building flood and sea defences. They looked at the worst possible senario and invested to protect the land and it's inhabitants. I really dont understand why N.O. wasn't protected this way also.

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    Uh no dude...

    http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...773#post686773

    I've said I blame ALL LEVELS of gov't for this about three or four times now.

    But I get a little nauseated when I see about five of the same op-ed, it's all the mayor's and governor's faults articles...

    Oh, I guees I misinterpreted the meaning of the 4 threads on the first page that you started that all seem to be laying the blame on the feds.

    Especially this little gem:

    A genuinely heroic mayor orders a total evacuation of the city the day before Katrina arrives, knowing that for decades now, New Orleans has been living on borrowed time.

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    Originally posted by diamondD
    Oh, I guees I misinterpreted the meaning of the 4 threads on the first page that you started that all seem to be laying the blame on the feds.

    Especially this little gem:

    A genuinely heroic mayor orders a total evacuation of the city the day before Katrina arrives, knowing that for decades now, New Orleans has been living on borrowed time.
    Gee DIAMOND D, I failed to notice any of your own heroic defense of local and state officials, and any criticism of beloved FEARLESS LEADER and his appointed political lackies to FEMA, DHS and such. I was merely compensating for the knee-jerk, right-wing op-ed bullshit. So easy to blame the victims I guess...

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    Who are you going to blame when the killer earthquake hits Los Angeles ??

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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    Who are you going to blame when the killer earthquake hits Los Angeles ??
    The dick bags Feds that take four days to respond...

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    I thought so...

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    Any of you guys have flood insurance? Anyone?
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    Nope...

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    Hey Elvis. How are you doin'?

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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    Nope...
    Me neither. It's a sucker bet. You can never be fully protected. It's one of the first things they teach you in real estate school. They flat out tell you to avoid purchasing ANY properties in a flood zone. There are just too many loopholes in flood policies.

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    I'm doing great, thanks for asking...

    I don't own any property, I'm a single guy and I rent dirt cheap...



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    Glad to hear.

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    If you knowingly have sex with a prostitute and catch VD should you blame it on your president? Tawk amongst yourselves.

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    Gee DIAMOND D, I failed to notice any of your own heroic defense of local and state officials, and any criticism of beloved FEARLESS LEADER and his appointed political lackies to FEMA, DHS and such. I was merely compensating for the knee-jerk, right-wing op-ed bullshit. So easy to blame the victims I guess...
    Nick, I've said this was a fuck up at all levels several times. But I don't have 4 threads laying the blame at one level. I haven't started one thread blaming anyone because I think it's a waste of time right now.

    Personally, I've volunteered 2 hours a day of my time working a communication center my company set up for evacuees in my town for them to send emails or make phone calls. I've gathered up all my extra clothes and donated them. I damn sure don't spend all day on here looking for ways to blame people. No, it's not very suspicious that you want to lay all the blame at the federal level. Not with your history.

    Nice spin on the "blame the victims". What the fuck ever.


    Compensation, right. Explain who's posting more knee jerk bullshit. Surely not FORD and his "no media allowed in NO" thread.

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    Damn DiamondD! We sent a truckload of water down friday, but it never crossed my mind that there might be ways to acually give some of my time. Thanks for the heads up.

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    Great, now on the news they are reporting that the mayor is still saying the mandatory evacuation is still on and the governor is beating her chest saying that it's her call. And she wants to wait on more tests on the water before deciding that.

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    Originally posted by diamondD
    Nick, I've said this was a fuck up at all levels several times. But I don't have 4 threads laying the blame at one level. I haven't started one thread blaming anyone because I think it's a waste of time right now.

    Personally, I've volunteered 2 hours a day of my time working a communication center my company set up for evacuees in my town for them to send emails or make phone calls. I've gathered up all my extra clothes and donated them. I damn sure don't spend all day on here looking for ways to blame people. No, it's not very suspicious that you want to lay all the blame at the federal level. Not with your history.

    Nice spin on the "blame the victims". What the fuck ever.


    Compensation, right. Explain who's posting more knee jerk bullshit. Surely not FORD and his "no media allowed in NO" thread.
    Super! I appreciate your help in all this...

    But why are you choosing to call me out in "the blame game?" There's about five threads that put the blame soley on BLANCO and NAGIN, you know, the partisan op-ed articles designed to deflect blame away from the Feds that mention school buses and whatnot...

    http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...threadid=26894

    http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...threadid=26951

    http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...threadid=26785

    http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...threadid=26729



    http://www.rc4systems.net/albums/alb...es_excuses.jpg
    Of course, it's a little difficult to drive busses during a Cat 5 hurricane, or while waters are overflowing the levee.

    And again, I'll post it all in caps: "I AM BLAMING ALL LEVELS OF GOV'T IN THIS." It's the Neo CONS that are trying to deflect all blame to the local and state, not me...

    Why did you not address these comments to one of the many staters of the "it's all BLANCOs and NAGINs fault" threads? My threads are actual news articles addressing pertinent issues, such as how effective FEMA is. Again, it an American city is hit with an instantaneous disaster, it's not the N.O. city, nor the Louisiana state gov't that will react to it. And I hope to God their on the ground within the first 24-hours in the future.
    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 09-08-2005 at 04:59 AM.

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    Again with the FEMA?

    Read up.

    http://www.fema.gov/about/history.shtm

    IT's the local AND state's job to be the 1st responders!

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    Nick, all I had to do was read the first one and see you calling the blame on the governor and mayor delusional bullshit and part of the effort to cover up for Bush.

    The second post doesn't excuse the federal government at all. It outlines the plans that are in place. It also says FEMA is at fault too.


    I don't have to read any farther...

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    Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
    Again with the FEMA?

    Read up.

    http://www.fema.gov/about/history.shtm

    IT's the local AND state's job to be the 1st responders!


    No shit! The New Orleans Police and Fire were in the city while FEMA stood back while BROWN had his thumbs up his ass...

    It's the Federal Gov'ts job to step in during a disaster of this magnitude, and this thread isn't about FEMA....

    It's about the LEVEE SYSTEM which was universally acknowledged as underfunded.

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    Keep reading, you anti-US piece of shit!

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    Originally posted by diamondD
    Nick, all I had to do was read the first one and see you calling the blame on the governor and mayor delusional bullshit and part of the effort to cover up for Bush.
    Well golly D, aren't you just Ms. Pot-meet-tea- kettle today. Again, why don't you show me your post where you put any sort of accountabilty for the Federal Gov'ts inaction? And I'll galdy dredge up some more right wing op-ed pieces... What's your point anyways?

    The second post doesn't excuse the federal government at all. It outlines the plans that are in place. It also says FEMA is at fault too.

    I don't have to read any farther...
    Yeey! When should I expect you to give WARHAM, Vibe, or BBB any shit for their "it's all NAGIN and BLANCO's" fault CYA op-eds?

    Apparently you're not reading any of their posts either....

    Then again, I guess you're used to selectively culling things you don't like, eh ex-Pleasure Dome mod?

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    Well golly D, aren't you just Ms. Pot-meet-tea- kettle today. Again, why don't you show me your post where you put any sort of accountabilty for the Federal Gov'ts inaction? And I'll galdy dredge up some more right wing op-ed pieces... What's your point anyways?



    Yeey! When should I expect you to give WARHAM, Vibe, or BBB any shit for their "it's all NAGIN and BLANCO's" fault CYA op-eds?

    Apparently you're not reading any of their posts either....

    Then again, I guess you're used to selectively culling things you don't like, eh ex-Pleasure Dome mod?
    Whatever.

    You must have a loose wire to go with that loose cannon of a mouth!

    You don't make ANY sense.

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    Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
    Whatever.

    You must have a loose wire to go with that loose cannon of a mouth!

    You don't make ANY sense.
    Because it wasn't posted to you. Reading comprehension Vibe....really!

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