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    US forces 'used chemical weapons' during assault on city of Fallujah

    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle325560.ece
    http://www.livejournal.com/users/mpa...7/4230954.html



    By Peter Popham
    Published: 08 November 2005

    Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon.

    Ever since the assault, which went unreported by any Western journalists, rumours have swirled that the Americans used chemical weapons on the city.

    On 10 November last year, the Islam Online website wrote: "US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988."

    The website quoted insurgent sources as saying: "The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally banned chemical weapons."

    In December the US government formally denied the reports, describing them as "widespread myths". "Some news accounts have claimed that US forces have used 'outlawed' phosphorus shells in Fallujah," the USinfo website said. "Phosphorus shells are not outlawed. US forces have used them very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes.

    "They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters."

    But now new information has surfaced, including hideous photographs and videos and interviews with American soldiers who took part in the Fallujah attack, which provides graphic proof that phosphorus shells were widely deployed in the city as a weapon.

    In a documentary to be broadcast by RAI, the Italian state broadcaster, this morning, a former American soldier who fought at Fallujah says: "I heard the order to pay attention because they were going to use white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military jargon it's known as Willy Pete.

    "Phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ... I saw the burned bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Anyone within a radius of 150 metres is done for."

    Photographs on the website of RaiTG24, the broadcaster's 24-hours news channel, www.rainews24.it, show exactly what the former soldier means. Provided by the Studies Centre of Human Rights in Fallujah, dozens of high-quality, colour close-ups show bodies of Fallujah residents, some still in their beds, whose clothes remain largely intact but whose skin has been dissolved or caramelised or turned the consistency of leather by the shells.

    A biologist in Fallujah, Mohamad Tareq, interviewed for the film, says: "A rain of fire fell on the city, the people struck by this multi-coloured substance started to burn, we found people dead with strange wounds, the bodies burned but the clothes intact."

    The documentary, entitled Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre, also provides what it claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah, in breach of the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons of 1980, which only allows its use against military targets.

    Meanwhile, five US soldiers from the elite 75th Ranger Regiment have been charged with kicking and punching detainees in Iraq.

    The news came as a suicide car bomber killed four American soldiers at a checkpoint south of Baghdad yesterday.

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    Heard about this yesterday, and it fucking sickened me. Those Chimp/Hitler comparisons are becoming more literal all the time.

    Melting flesh of civilians. Torturing prisoners of war. To quote David Bowie, "This is not America"
    Eat Us And Smile

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    BULLSHIT
    BULLSHIT
    BULLSHIT
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    Willie Pete is a valid weapon in the inventory of all western armies.

    I suppose the Insurgent/Anti-War/Liberal/Democrat coalition will be whining about the US troops using bullets next?



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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    BULLSHIT
    BULLSHIT
    BULLSHIT
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    could you please provide your link supporting the claim this is bullshit?
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    If you burn someone alive, you burn them alive. How is burning them with chemicals in the street any better than throwing them in an oven?

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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    could you please provide your link supporting the claim this is bullshit?
    You got me while I was still editting.


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    Originally posted by FORD
    If you burn someone alive, you burn them alive. How is burning them with chemicals in the street any better than throwing them in an oven?
    War is war.

    Fallujah was a battleground.

    White phosphorous is a legal weapon.

    There is no proof of the "poison gas" claims.

    Anything to disparage US troops from "THE LEFT."

    You fucking bastards disgust me.


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    Well They certainly didn't do a very good job. There still appears to be a lot of them Towel Head monkeys still trotting around.

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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian


    There is no proof of the "poison gas" claims.

    You fucking bastards disgust me.

    There is no proof there was no "gas" used.

    Not only that, how do we disgust you?

    We did not write the articles for the above mentioned newspapers....

    Yet you seem to think we did.

    Brian, get back on the Short-Bus.


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    Download the full documentary "Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre"
    HERE
    Last edited by Hardrock69; 11-08-2005 at 12:16 PM.

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    Originally posted by Hardrock69
    There is no proof there was no "gas" used.

    Give us a fucking break...

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    Ah so you are saying it is true then?

    Hmmm...another defector from the Short Bus?

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    Cops use poison gas everyday .

    Women carry it on key chains.

    When someone uses Nuclear, Radiological ,Biological ,weapons call me.

    These kinda articles are incindiary and used to produce bad reactions.

    When will someone in this forum realize the manipulation of the
    minds of the general public by the Press as the true reason this
    world is at each others throats all day long Wake -Up!! my op

    If you dont know this reality you are part of the problem.

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    i agree with that

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    Nice pic...

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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    War is war.

    Fallujah was a battleground.
    And who the fuck made it into one?

    Maybe NYC was a battleground on 9-11?

    Originally posted by BigBadBrian


    White phosphorous is a legal weapon.


    What the fuck has legal to do with it when your country doesn't adhere to the international courts, stands virtually alone in not banning land mines and tortures people.

    You are using the same defence Saddam will, we made the law so we can't break it.

    Or maybe it was 'Smart Phosphorus' that melted children?

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    Originally posted by Seshmeister
    You are using the same defence Saddam will, we made the law so we can't break it.

    If Saddam's lawyers are smart, they will use the liberal agenda and he will walk...

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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    War is war.

    Fallujah was a battleground.

    White phosphorous is a legal weapon.

    There is no proof of the "poison gas" claims.

    Anything to disparage US troops from "THE LEFT."

    You fucking bastards disgust me.

    If phosphorous weapons are 'legal" BRIAN, why did they use it for "illumination?"

    Just asking?

    Has anyone else hear seen a phosphorous bomb go off?
    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 11-08-2005 at 01:15 PM.

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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian

    You fucking bastards disgust me.



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    Re: US forces 'used chemical weapons' during assault on city of Fallujah

    Originally posted by Hardrock69

    In December the US government formally denied the reports, describing them as "widespread myths".

    Ok. There you have it.

    The government denies this stuff.

    Elvis? Why should we believe them.

    BigBadBrucie? You are free to comment as well.

    Why whould we believe them?

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    i'm supposed to cry over a kid who's just gonna grow up to be a suicide bomber?
    Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    Nice pic...
    What a good Christian you are....Bomb any abortion clinics lately to "save the (whites only) babies?"

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    Originally posted by twonabomber
    i'm supposed to cry over a kid who's just gonna grow up to be a suicide bomber?

    Well why not wipe out the entire human race because some of it may grow up to be murderers or rapists?


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    Originally posted by twonabomber
    i'm supposed to cry over a kid who's just gonna grow up to be a suicide bomber?
    Well they might....now.

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    What a good Christian you are....Bomb any abortion clinics lately to "save the (whites only) babies?"
    Careful Nick, he might lose his temper and start calling you a "******-lover".


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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh

    Has anyone else hear seen a phosphorous bomb go off?
    Brilliant...

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    Originally posted by Seshmeister
    Well they might....now.
    Yes, thanks to Chimpy, Cheney & Rummy...

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    Bomb any abortion clinics lately to "save the (whites only) babies?"
    WTF are you babbling about ??

    You're so fucking stupid...

    Don't project your racist feelings onto me, you liberal crybaby...

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    Originally posted by Seshmeister
    Well they might....now.
    they were anyways. let's not kid ourselves.

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    U.S. Forces HAVE used napalm-like chemical weapons in Iraq.
    Last edited by Hardrock69; 11-08-2005 at 01:29 PM.

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    they're not using enough of them.

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    Exactly!

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    Hmmm, kill them ALL and let Allah sort them out, eh?

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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    Exactly!
    Fine, just don't preach your evil, backward superstition to me man...

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    Hey you fukin twits war ain't no candy ass sh@t so stop tryin to act
    like America invented it.

    Fuk with the Bull get the Horn, anybody standin next to it ,see ya.

    We are capable of every atrocity known to man if you want some
    you'll get it and- No Country Can Bring It Like We Can- So sit the Fuk
    Down and Shut the Fuk Up, live your life in peace and good will.So
    will we.Thats what we want .If you want some more we got that too.

    Yeah, sometimes i feel like that.I'm not going to- LET YOU- kick my ass.
    If I declare war on you I'm not going to- LET YOU- win.

    If you declare war on me I'm Going to remove everthing you ever were.

    Yeah, sometimes I feel like that.

    Sounds like one of those Heavy Metal Rock Songs same words your Rock Heroes write . So don't acuse me of being nuts.Im a product of your Environment .

    Generals gatherd ..... jus like witches at Black Masses .aint no joke.

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    Originally posted by twonabomber
    they're not using enough of them.
    Kind of pokes holes in the "freedom spreading/evil doers" argument.

    Why are we trying SADDAM again? War crimes? Put Chimpy in with him....

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    All of you America Bashers have yet to RAVE ABOUT all of Saddams .....Virtues !

    So What May I Ask, Is Up Your Ass.

    Tell me all about your Love. If your against what America is doing
    you are wanting NO-CHANGE .So you are, FOR- Saddam .

    Speak to me of his- Great Deeds- and why your sucking up to him.

    Yeah sometimes I feel like that.

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    Originally posted by twonabomber
    they're not using enough of them.
    Ok so tell me...who are the terrists again?

    Thome, no we are AGAINST Saddam.

    And as the Bush Administration is wanting blanket coverage to allow the CIA to torture and murder whomever it wishes, in that respect Bush is no better than Saddamite.

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    Actually, here is an older article, about how the Pentagon admitted in August of 2003 that is was using Mark-77 incendiary weapons in Iraq:


    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...?oneclick=true


    Napalm by another name: Pentagon denial goes up in flames

    By Ben Cubby
    August 9, 2003


    The United States military has admitted it used napalm-type weapons in Iraq.

    A Pentagon spokesman had told the Herald it did not have any stocks of napalm, but it seems the denial was a quibble.

    The Pentagon no longer officially uses the brand-name Napalm, a combination of naphthalene and palmitate, but a similar substance known as fuel-gel mixture contained in Mark-77 fire bombs was dropped on Iraqi troops near the Iraq-Kuwait border at the start of the recent war.

    "I can confirm that Mark-77 fire bombs were used in that general area," said Colonel Mike Daily, of the US Marine Corps.

    Colonel Daily said that US stocks of Vietnam-era napalm had been phased out, but that the Mark-77s had "similar destructive characteristics".

    On March 22 a Herald correspondent, Lindsay Murdoch, travelling with US marines, reported that napalm was used in an attack on Iraqi troops at Safwan Hill, near the Kuwait border.

    His account was based on statements by two US marines officers on the ground. But Lieutenant-Commander Jeff Davis, from the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Defence, called Murdoch's story "patently false". "The US took napalm out of service in the 1970s. We completed the destruction of our last batch of napalm on April 4, 2001, and no longer maintain any stocks of napalm," Commander Davis said.

    He was apparently referring to Vietnam-era Napalm-B, which consisted of inflammable fuel thickened with polystyrene and benzene. The inflammable fuel in Mark-77 fire bombs is thickened with slightly different chemicals, and is believed to contain oxidisers.

    Neither weapon technically contains napalm

    A Pentagon official told Agence France-Presse on Thursday that US forces used the Mark-77 fire bombs against Iraqi forces in their drive towards Baghdad and defended their use as legal and necessary.

    The official, who did not wish to be identified, said that US marines jets dropped the fire bombs at least once to destroy Iraqi positions at Safwan.

    The official told AFP: "It is like this: you've got [an] enemy that's hard to get at. And it will save your own lives to use it." There were no international conventions against it, the official said.

    Marines used the napalm-like bombs on at least two other occasions during the drive to Baghdad, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported this week.

    "The generals love napalm," the paper quoted Colonel Randolph Alles, the commander of Marine Air Group 11, as saying. "It has a big psychological effect."

    Napalm was banned by a United Nations convention in 1980, but the US did not sign the agreement. The US military considers the use of Mark-77 weapons to be legal.

    A spokeswoman for Rock Island Arsenal in Illinois said it was producing a further 500 Mark-77s for the marines. She said she did not consider them napalm bombs, but they are still referred to as napalm in some US documents.
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