Derek Jeter is the AL MVP

**Bob_R** · 07-11-2006, 10:58 PM

Jeter plays a tough position and plays it very well and he is the leader of the team.

Jeter contributes in many different ways offensively. He is a big reason that the Yankees are only 3 games behind Boston.

When he bats third, usually the 2 hole hitter, he's hitting .388 with a .500 OBP.

He hit .355 in June and July after Hideki Matsui and Gary Sheffield went on the disabled list.

You want big hits? Guess who has more hits (16) and a better batting average (.364) in close-and-late situations than Thome, Dye and Ortiz? Yep, Jeter. Guess who has more hits with runners in scoring position (30) Jeter, a .357 hitter in those spots, including .371 with two outs.

Here are his stats

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
81 325 58 112 19 2 5 52 150 42 51 18 2 .427 .462 .345

Ortiz, Thome, Dye are in the running and there is alot of baseball left to play. My point simply is that if the season had ended Jeter is the MVP.

What do you think Dave, Poj, Al, VA?

Am I nuts or does Jeter deserve heavy consideration?

**POJO_Risin** · 07-11-2006, 11:35 PM

Jeter is a cunt.

That being said, I don't think you had to oversell him like you did. I honestly think he is a consideration every year, or should be. He's overshadowed in NY because of the others on the team, and the money that Steiney forks out. But he's the heart and glue of the team.

This year, he could get his due, but we'll see.

He doesn't seem to be a major player in the MVP talk, but I did hear Mike and Mike a couple of weeks ago talking about him. Maybe you are onto something.

And if I haven't mentioned it. Jeter is a cunt.

**Guitar Shark** · 07-11-2006, 11:45 PM

As much as I dislike Jeter (and HATE the Yankees), it's tough to build a better case for anyone else right now.

Here's a decent article summing up the potential candidates that I was reading earlier today:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eball/?cnn=yes

**Dave's PA Rental** · 07-12-2006, 01:30 PM

...just as long as it's NOT A-Rod...

**Figs** · 07-12-2006, 01:35 PM

If I had to pick anyone on the team to be up at bat when a crucial hit is needed, I'd pick him.

**Dave's PA Rental** · 07-12-2006, 01:39 PM

seriously, I think Derek Jeter is a great...GREAT player. That being said, ive read that the sabermetric people find he is over-rated as a defensive shortstop because of his lack of range; ie, he doesnt make alot of errors because he can't get to the hole like a Miguel Tejada. Sure he dives around and gets his uniform dirty, but balls he has to dive for, Tejada fields cleanly...

It's like the hockey player who puts his head down and pumps his arms real wild to make it look like he is skating down the ice real fast...

Anyway, since the true meaning of MVP is never followed (most valuable to his team, NOT 'best player') it's a moot point...

And probably HGHambi is the most valuable Yankee at this point...

**Figs** · 07-12-2006, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Dave's PA Rental
seriously, I think Derek Jeter is a great...GREAT player. That being said, ive read that the sabermetric people find he is over-rated as a defensive shortstop because of his lack of range; ie, he doesnt make alot of errors because he can't get to the hole like a Miguel Tejada. Sure he dives around and gets his uniform dirty, but balls he has to dive for, Tejada fields cleanly...

Yeah, I can see that, Ripken was like that - high fielding %, limited range

Anyway, since the true meaning of MVP is never followed (most valuable to his team, NOT 'best player') it's a moot point...

I think they followed that meaning when Mo Vaughn won over Albert Belle....

**Figs** · 07-12-2006, 01:55 PM

...I should follow that and say that's at least the voter's stated reason Vaughn got it....the real reason was that Belle was a prick....

**Warham** · 07-12-2006, 04:09 PM

David Ortiz is the MVP this year.

It's not even close.

**DlocRoth** · 07-12-2006, 05:48 PM

If I need a hit, I'm calling on Scott Brosius, not Jeter.

**Guitar Shark** · 07-12-2006, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Warham
David Ortiz is the MVP this year.

It's not even close.

Except that Ortiz is the DH and contributes nothing defensively.

**Bob_R** · 07-12-2006, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by DlocRoth
If I need a hit, I'm calling on Scott Brosius, not Jeter.

**Bob_R** · 07-12-2006, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Dave's PA Rental
seriously, I think Derek Jeter is a great...GREAT player. That being said, ive read that the sabermetric people find he is over-rated as a defensive shortstop because of his lack of range; ie, he doesnt make alot of errors because he can't get to the hole like a Miguel Tejada. Sure he dives around and gets his uniform dirty, but balls he has to dive for, Tejada fields cleanly...

It's like the hockey player who puts his head down and pumps his arms real wild to make it look like he is skating down the ice real fast...

Anyway, since the true meaning of MVP is never followed (most valuable to his team, NOT 'best player') it's a moot point...

And probably HGHambi is the most valuable Yankee at this point...

I don't understand and I don't believe that Jeter is over-rated at all defensively. I see him play just about every game. He's as solid as they come. He makes spectular plays quite often.

**vheddyrmv8** · 07-12-2006, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Except that Ortiz is the DH and contributes nothing defensively.

Saved A-Rod from getting an error last night, it's not like he's not good defensively, anyone who think's he isn't a good first basemen is seriously misguided.

**Dave's PA Rental** · 07-12-2006, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
I don't understand and I don't believe that Jeter is over-rated at all defensively. I see him play just about every game. He's as solid as they come. He makes spectular plays quite often.

No question, Jeter is a first ballot HOF'er.

I don't get to watch him every night, so I was purposly vague in my criticizm of his defense. I was just refering to what some baseball 'stat-heads' have reported. From what I have seen, I can see how they may have a point about his limited range. But i'm a biased Red Sox fan, so there's that...

**DrMaddVibe** · 07-12-2006, 10:11 PM

Jeter is a douchebag!

**Bob_R** · 07-12-2006, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Jeter is a douchebag!

Wow! That was a really insightful and intelligent thought.

**ALinChainz** · 07-12-2006, 11:28 PM

In light of everything, you have to like the way he has stepped in the absence of a lot of offense in the Yankee line-up.

**Warham** · 07-13-2006, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Except that Ortiz is the DH and contributes nothing defensively.

I don't think it'll matter.

His offensive statistics will be so far ahead of everyone elses, that'll more than make up for his lack of playing first base.

**Bob_R** · 09-06-2006, 09:28 PM

Well I've never thought that my proclaimation of Jeter for MVP was far fetched. But, now we're much later in the season and my opinion still holds.

He's hitting .343 (2nd in the league going into tonight's action) with 12 HR's, 84 RBI and 183 hits. He hits 2nd, plays SS and plays for a 1st place team.

David Ortiz has amazing numbers but he's missed some time (not sure if he's back) and plays for a team that will finish 2nd or 3rd in it's division. Boston could have done that without him. How can you give a MVP award to a player whose team probably doesn't make the playoffs?

On a side note, I wish Ortiz the best with his recent heart problem.

**Dave's PA Rental** · 09-10-2006, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
Boston could have done that without him.

OH. MY. GOD.

Hypocracy. Do you mean to tell me that last years Yankees don't tie the Red Sox for first place and lose in the first round of the playoffs WITHOUT Alex Rodriguez?????? What a joke!

Mariano Rivera was the MVP of the Yankees last year.

Anyone but A-Rod. Seriously. If Mo won it, I wouldnt still be so bitter.

Papi got robbed last year, like Williams in '47. Ted Williams gets the Triple Crown, but Dimaggio gets the MVP.

While Big Papi should win it (no one is more valuable to his team than Ortiz...) if Jeter gets it then im fine with that. I have nothing but respect for Jeter.

Seriously EVH, just type the words 'A-Rod did not deserve the MVP last year' and I will move on and let it go...

**Bob_R** · 09-12-2006, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Dave's PA Rental
Seriously EVH, just type the words 'A-Rod did not deserve the MVP last year' and I will move on and let it go...

I'm sorry my friend but I won't type that. A-Rod had a monster year last season. I'll admit it could have gone either way.

**Bob_R** · 09-12-2006, 08:05 PM

I actually lost alittle respect for Ortiz after reading this.
**********************

Jeter won't return Papi blast

Ortiz: I'm MVP, Derek unworthy

BY SAM BORDEN
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

BALTIMORE - Derek Jeter didn't seem particularly moved by David Ortiz's argument that the Yankee shortstop's season isn't MVP-worthy because he's got so many talented hitters around him. A day after Ortiz said that Jeter should "come hit in this lineup, see how good you can be," Jeter responded succinctly yesterday.

"I don't have to do it in his lineup," he said. The captain shrugged when asked further about Ortiz's comments, saying, "I'm not thinking about the MVP right now. We're thinking about winning a division. We've still got something to play for."

He then added, "No one here's focused on individual awards."

At this point, that seems to be all that Ortiz and the Red Sox have left to focus on since they trail the Yanks by 10-1/2 games in the AL East. Ortiz began his remarks following Sunday's game in Boston by saying he didn't believe the Red Sox's collapse should affect his candidacy to win the MVP.

A year ago, he lost out to Alex Rodriguez; this year, his competition seems to be Jeter and White Sox outfielder Jermaine Dye, with several Twins (Justin Morneau, Joe Mauer and even Johan Santana) also in the mix.

"I'll tell you one thing," Ortiz told The Boston Globe. "If I get 50 home runs (he's got 48) and 10 more RBI (which would give him 137), that's going to be a round number that no one else in the American League will have. But they'll vote for a position player, use that as an excuse. They're talking about Jeter a lot, right? He's done a great job, he's having a great season, but Jeter is not a 40-homer hitter or an RBI guy. It doesn't matter how much you've done for your ballclub, the bottom line is, the guy who hits 40 home runs and knocks in 100, that's the guy you know helped your team win games."

Ortiz then praised Jeter before making his comment about how Jeter might fare if he hit in Boston's lineup instead of the Yanks'.

Johnny Damon played with Ortiz in Boston from 2002-05 and was surprised to hear of his former teammate's comments.

"It doesn't sound like Ortiz," Damon said. "I can't believe he would say something like that."

Damon said he thought Ortiz was a "shoo-in" to beat out A-Rod last year but believes being a DH hurt him with the voters. He likes Jeter's chances this year.

"I'm going to choose my teammate, bottom line," Damon said. "I've seen the value of (Jeter) here."

Published September 12,2006

**Figs** · 09-12-2006, 10:21 PM

I saw that in the Post. The funny part is he bashes his own lineup as much as Jeter!

Although it's true the Yanks have a better lineup...

**VHdamaco** · 09-12-2006, 11:05 PM

No love for the leader in Wins, ERA, K's and IP's?

The Twins would not be even close without johan santana's stats, leadership and unbeaten Sept records dating since 2004 (i think it was 04)...

if the Twins somehow win the Central, he's pushed to the top of the pile...

**Bob_R** · 09-18-2006, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by VHdamaco
No love for the leader in Wins, ERA, K's and IP's?

The Twins would not be even close without johan santana's stats, leadership and unbeaten Sept records dating since 2004 (i think it was 04)...

if the Twins somehow win the Central, he's pushed to the top of the pile...

Santana's having a sensational season.

But, should a pitcher be able to win an MVP award?

Very difficult to answer.

**tjvhou812** · 09-23-2006, 11:00 AM

JETER is a good player, but he's should'nt be MVP
his numbers dont compare to papi

he might have the average but look at

RBI's HR's Clutch hits SLG %

But you know jeter will get it, becuase he's in the playoffs

**Bob_R** · 09-23-2006, 12:52 PM

MVP stands for Most Valuable Player. Papi has the best numbers but he's not the most valuable to his team.

**tjvhou812** · 09-25-2006, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
MVP stands for Most Valuable Player. Papi has the best numbers but he's not the most valuable to his team.

He's not?...then who is...Manny

**Bob_R** · 09-25-2006, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by tjvhou812
He's not?...then who is...Manny

I meant to his 'team' in general. Meaning any player. Papi certainly is very valuable to the Red Sox.

Papi has the best numbers in the AL. He is not the MVP IMO. His team is going to finish in 2nd or 3rd place double digits games behind the Yanks.

Papi should win the award if it was named Player of the Year.

I don't believe the MVP should be given to a guy just solely because he's in the top in HR's and RBI's.

**tjvhou812** · 09-28-2006, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
I meant to his 'team' in general. Meaning any player. Papi certainly is very valuable to the Red Sox.

Papi has the best numbers in the AL. He is not the MVP IMO. His team is going to finish in 2nd or 3rd place double digits games behind the Yanks.

Papi should win the award if it was named Player of the Year.

I don't believe the MVP should be given to a guy just solely because he's in the top in HR's and RBI's.

But you got to remember Arod got the MVP when he was w/texas
an they finished last

**Dave's PA Rental** · 09-28-2006, 08:29 PM

You know who is the only person who should be considered AL MVP this year besides Papi?

Frank Fucking Thomas.

I don't hate Derek Jeter. I really don't. After staying up and watching that game in '03 when Jeter crashed into the stands...the same game that Nomar pouted on the bench while everyone else on the Sox was standing on the top step of the dugout...

I don't hate Jeter... obnoxious fist pumps and all...

And he is having a monster year.

(wait for it...)

BUT!!!!!

On a team of all-stars with a 200 million dollar payroll, you mean to tell me that Derek Jeter stands HEAD AND FUCKING SHOULDERS above all of his teammates for this year's Yankee team? A team that is running away with their division by 12-13 games?

So without Derek Jeter this year the Yankees win the East by, what...6 games? 5 games?

Give me the mother fuckingest of fucking breaks.

Lets end the charade and just change the name of the award to "Anual Award For Yankee With The Best Statistics" and be done with it.

Without David Ortiz, the 2006 Boston Red Sox are the Tampa Bay Fucking Devil Rays.

**Dave's PA Rental** · 09-28-2006, 08:34 PM

By the way EVH...the Boston Massacre Part II was EXACTLY that, and ive NEVER been so fucking pissed at the Red Sox in my entire life. The Yankees has ALL KINDS of injuries this year, and they kept winning. I give them all the credit in the world.

But then I think back to Johnny Damon hitting that Grand Slam in Game 7 (that, in my opinion, was the exact instant that the curse was broken...) and I smile and chuckle to myself.

**Bob_R** · 09-29-2006, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by tjvhou812
But you got to remember Arod got the MVP when he was w/texas
an they finished last

Good point.

A-Rod's numbers were so outstanding that season.

**tjvhou812** · 09-30-2006, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by Dave's PA Rental
You know who is the only person who should be considered AL MVP this year besides Papi?

Frank Fucking Thomas.

I don't hate Derek Jeter. I really don't. After staying up and watching that game in '03 when Jeter crashed into the stands...the same game that Nomar pouted on the bench while everyone else on the Sox was standing on the top step of the dugout...

I don't hate Jeter... obnoxious fist pumps and all...

And he is having a monster year.

(wait for it...)

BUT!!!!!

On a team of all-stars with a 200 million dollar payroll, you mean to tell me that Derek Jeter stands HEAD AND FUCKING SHOULDERS above all of his teammates for this year's Yankee team? A team that is running away with their division by 12-13 games?

So without Derek Jeter this year the Yankees win the East by, what...6 games? 5 games?

Give me the mother fuckingest of fucking breaks.

Lets end the charade and just change the name of the award to "Anual Award For Yankee With The Best Statistics" and be done with it.

Without David Ortiz, the 2006 Boston Red Sox are the Tampa Bay Fucking Devil Rays.

well said

**Dave's PA Rental** · 09-30-2006, 11:27 PM

Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the sun to come up.

**Bob_R** · 10-01-2006, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Dave's PA Rental
Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the sun to come up.

And that's one hell of a compliment.

**Figs** · 10-01-2006, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Dave's PA Rental
Lets end the charade and just change the name of the award to "Anual Award For Yankee With The Best Statistics" and be done with it

True, they always hand it to them: A-Rod, Mattingly, Munson, do we have to go back more than 30 years?

Ortiz got "screwed" last year due to anti-DH bias, that's it!

**Dave's PA Rental** · 10-03-2006, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Figs
True, they always hand it to them: A-Rod, Mattingly, Munson, do we have to go back more than 30 years?

Ortiz got "screwed" last year due to anti-DH bias, that's it!

Many who vote for MVP have been quoted as saying just that...

Figs, isnt there a Big Day Out somewhere that you should go play in?...

**Sammy Who??** · 10-04-2006, 10:38 PM

It\'s a no brainer this year.

Jeter is the AL MVP.

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