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  • Nickdfresh
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    • Oct 2004
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    NRA, Standing Up for the Gun Rights OF TERRORISTS!?!?!?!

    NRA Says Banning Gun Sales to Terror Suspects Infringes on Civil Liberties

    05-04-2007 4:55 PM
    By SAM HANANEL, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON (Associated Press) -- The National Rifle Association is urging the Bush administration to withdraw its support of a bill that would prohibit suspected terrorists from buying firearms.

    Backed by the Justice Department, the measure would give the attorney general the discretion to block gun sales, licenses or permits to terror suspects.

    In a letter this week to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, NRA executive director Chris Cox said the bill, offered last week by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., "would allow arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on mere 'suspicions' of a terrorist threat."

    "As many of our friends in law enforcement have rightly pointed out, the word 'suspect' has no legal meaning, particularly when it comes to denying constitutional liberties," Cox wrote.

    In a letter supporting the measure, Acting Assistant Attorney General Richard Hertling said the bill would not automatically prevent a gun sale to a suspected terrorist. In some cases, federal agents may want to let a sale go forward to avoid compromising an ongoing investigation.

    Hertling also notes there is a process to challenge denial of a sale.

    Current law requires gun dealers to conduct a criminal background check and deny sales if a gun purchaser falls under a specified prohibition, including a felony conviction, domestic abuse conviction or illegal immigration. There is no legal basis to deny a sale if a purchaser is on a terror watch list.

    "When I tell people that you can be on a terrorist watch list and still be allowed to buy as many guns as you want, they are shocked," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which supports Lautenberg's bill.

    In the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings, lawmakers are considering a number of measures to strengthen gun sale laws. The NRA, which usually opposes increased restrictions on firearms, is taking different positions depending on the proposal.

    "Right now law enforcement carefully monitors all firearms sales to those on the terror watch list," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. "Injecting the attorney general into the process just politicizes it."

    A 2005 study by the Government Accountability Office found that 35 of 44 firearm purchase attempts over a five-month period made by known or suspected terrorists were approved by the federal law enforcement officials.

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    On the Net:

    Information on the bill, S. 1237, can be found at http://thomas.loc.gov/

    National Rifle Association: http://www.nra.org/

    Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence: http://www.bradycenter.org/
  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49203

    #2

    "They can pull the glorious AKs or martyrdom from our cold, dead hands!"

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    • BITEYOASS
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Jan 2004
      • 6530

      #3
      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
      NRA Says Banning Gun Sales to Terror Suspects Infringes on Civil Liberties

      05-04-2007 4:55 PM
      By SAM HANANEL, Associated Press Writer

      WASHINGTON (Associated Press) -- The National Rifle Association is urging the Bush administration to withdraw its support of a bill that would prohibit suspected terrorists from buying firearms.

      Backed by the Justice Department, the measure would give the attorney general the discretion to block gun sales, licenses or permits to terror suspects.

      In a letter this week to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, NRA executive director Chris Cox said the bill, offered last week by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., "would allow arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on mere 'suspicions' of a terrorist threat."

      "As many of our friends in law enforcement have rightly pointed out, the word 'suspect' has no legal meaning, particularly when it comes to denying constitutional liberties," Cox wrote.

      In a letter supporting the measure, Acting Assistant Attorney General Richard Hertling said the bill would not automatically prevent a gun sale to a suspected terrorist. In some cases, federal agents may want to let a sale go forward to avoid compromising an ongoing investigation.

      Hertling also notes there is a process to challenge denial of a sale.

      Current law requires gun dealers to conduct a criminal background check and deny sales if a gun purchaser falls under a specified prohibition, including a felony conviction, domestic abuse conviction or illegal immigration. There is no legal basis to deny a sale if a purchaser is on a terror watch list.

      "When I tell people that you can be on a terrorist watch list and still be allowed to buy as many guns as you want, they are shocked," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which supports Lautenberg's bill.

      In the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings, lawmakers are considering a number of measures to strengthen gun sale laws. The NRA, which usually opposes increased restrictions on firearms, is taking different positions depending on the proposal.

      "Right now law enforcement carefully monitors all firearms sales to those on the terror watch list," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. "Injecting the attorney general into the process just politicizes it."

      A 2005 study by the Government Accountability Office found that 35 of 44 firearm purchase attempts over a five-month period made by known or suspected terrorists were approved by the federal law enforcement officials.

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      On the Net:

      Information on the bill, S. 1237, can be found at http://thomas.loc.gov/

      National Rifle Association: http://www.nra.org/

      Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence: http://www.bradycenter.org/
      Hypocrisy in action! I think I'd be more worried about Arabs hanging around RadioShack than Mexicans hanging around Lowe's.

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      • hideyoursheep
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        • Jan 2007
        • 6351

        #4
        Great.

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        • Blackflag
          Banned
          • Apr 2006
          • 3406

          #5
          Not terrorists...terror "suspects." Huge difference.

          Regardless whether you like the NRA or gun control, I think we can agree that a "suspected" anything shouldn't lose any rights.

          As far as I know, anybody can be suspected of anything. No requirements to fit into that category.

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32797

            #6
            Originally posted by Blackflag
            Not terrorists...terror "suspects." Huge difference.

            Regardless whether you like the NRA or gun control, I think we can agree that a "suspected" anything shouldn't lose any rights.

            As far as I know, anybody can be suspected of anything. No requirements to fit into that category.
            Bingo! We must not give up our right "Incocent until proven guilty" for some suppossed margine of safety.

            Laws only keep the honest people honest anyways. If you want a gun and you are a criminal or terrorist, no problem on the illegal black market and you will even have access to arms that the current gun laws will deny you.

            When you are willing to die for Allah well a big fine and 30 years in Levenworth isn't a scary deterent. Some big money in Mexico will buy you anything you want and getting it here in no problemo senior.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32797

              #7
              It's a good thing most of us don't believe in Allah's suicidal paradise and the 72 virgins. We all would have nothing to live for and nothing to lose. Holly hell, the world would be one big fireball full of brainwashed assholes killing each other for goddess pussy and a villa in Allah's subdivision.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • Nickdfresh
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                • Oct 2004
                • 49203

                #8
                Originally posted by Blackflag
                Not terrorists...terror "suspects." Huge difference.

                Regardless whether you like the NRA or gun control, I think we can agree that a "suspected" anything shouldn't lose any rights.

                As far as I know, anybody can be suspected of anything. No requirements to fit into that category.
                The suspected already have lost rights...

                What if they're foreign nationals? Should they still have guns?

                And why can terrorist suspects not fly but yet they can buy a gun?

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                • Nickdfresh
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                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49203

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nitro Express
                  Bingo! We must not give up our right "Incocent until proven guilty" for some suppossed margine of safety.

                  ...
                  Tell that to the people on the "no fly list." Or the people that have the FBI abusing nat'l security letters to investigate them and invade their privacy with no real criminal acts committed...

                  There IS a double standard here!!

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                  • DrMaddVibe
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                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6682

                    #10
                    Isn't Ted Kennedy on the "no fly list"?

                    What's the problem with that? If I'm flying 1st class, I don't want to sit next to a murderer!
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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32797

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      Tell that to the people on the "no fly list." Or the people that have the FBI abusing nat'l security letters to investigate them and invade their privacy with no real criminal acts committed...

                      There IS a double standard here!!
                      The double standar really hit critical mass with the Patriot Act. That disolved habious corpus in the US. It's dangerouse legislation.

                      The US Constitution states that a warrant must be served before your home can be entered and searched. We need warrants as a check on the potential abuse of law enforcement. Trust nobody. We need a system of checks and balances to keep tyranny at bay. Efficient govt. always turns into abusive govt.

                      If a someone is suspected as a terrorist, then a warrant must be obtained to search their home or business. They should stand trial and be sentanced by a court of law before being imprisoned.

                      We could destroy our way of life in this country in the name of keeping the country safe.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49203

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                        Isn't Ted Kennedy on the "no fly list"?

                        What's the problem with that? If I'm flying 1st class, I don't want to sit next to a murderer!
                        But you'll give 'em a gun?

                        And Ted is off the no fly list when they discovered that Bush is a far bigger terrorist and killer of US troops and Iraqis...

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                        • Blackflag
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 3406

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          The suspected already have lost rights...

                          What if they're foreign nationals? Should they still have guns?

                          And why can terrorist suspects not fly but yet they can buy a gun?
                          It sounds like you're confused about what a "suspect" is.

                          "Suspects" do not lose any rights. And a suspect does not have to be a foreign national, or of arabic decent.

                          You could be a "terror suspect" at the drop of a hat.

                          And there is no "right" to fly on a plane.

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49203

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Blackflag
                            It sounds like you're confused about what a "suspect" is.

                            "Suspects" do not lose any rights. And a suspect does not have to be a foreign national, or of arabic decent.

                            You could be a "terror suspect" at the drop of a hat.

                            And there is no "right" to fly on a plane.
                            I'm "confused?"

                            Really?

                            Nice oxymoronic post. So a 'suspect' can buy a gun, but cannot fly on a plane? The "terrorist watchlist" only applies to planes? Really?

                            Um, yeah, mmm'kay. You have no "right" to travel, but you can buy a .50 caliber sniper rifle! Wooooohoooooh!!
                            Last edited by Nickdfresh; 05-06-2007, 01:24 AM.

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                            • DEMON CUNT
                              Crazy Ass Mofo
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 3242

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nitro Express
                              It's a good thing most of us don't believe in Allah's suicidal paradise and the 72 virgins.
                              Yeah, Americans believe in "Heaven."

                              Doesn't it sound like the Islam post-life is way better?
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