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    Internment Camps, Power Grab,WTF?

    Bush's detention facilities

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    Posted: May 30, 2007
    1:00 a.m. Eastern



    Houston-based KBR, formerly the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton Co., has a contingency contract in place with the Department of Homeland Security to construct detention facilities in the event of a national emergency.

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, spokeswoman Jamie Zuieback confirmed yesterday in a telephone interview that the KBR contract for $385 million was awarded initially in January 2006 for a one-year base period with four one-year options. It has been extended into 2007. KBR held a previous emergency detention contract with ICE from 2000 to 2005.

    Zuieback told this writer the primary intent of the KBR contract was to build temporary detention facilities that could be used in the event of a mass migration across the border that required ICE to respond on a quick basis to an illegal-immigration crisis.

    "The idea of the KBR contract is to support the Army Corp of Engineers," Zuieback explained, "in case we experienced a sudden mass immigration and we had to respond quickly. We would need immediate detention facilities in the form of temporary housing that would enable us to determine if the large numbers of illegal immigrants were political or economically motivated, or if they were criminals or terrorists."

    Zuieback confirmed that the KBR contract for detention facilities could apply to national emergencies, including natural disasters.

    Several times, Zuieback insisted in the telephone interview that the KBR contract was a "contingency contract," specifying that detention facilities were to be built only when an immigration emergency or a national emergency, including a natural disaster, had been declared.

    Heather Browne, spokeswoman for KBR, also sent me an e-mail yesterday confirming KBR built a temporary facility in New Orleans that provided cantonment for up to 500 federal detention officers who were tasked with maintaining law and order during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

    Last week, WND reported President Bush had signed May 9 a little-reported National Security and Homeland Security Directive (NSPD-51 and NSPD-20) that granted extraordinary powers to the president in the event of a declared national emergency, apparently without congressional approval or oversight.

    NSPD-51/HSPD-20, published on the White House website, rescinds Presidential Decision Directive 67 signed by Bill Clinton Oct. 21, 1998, and establishes a new White House office of the National Continuity Coordinator, a position now occupied by Frances Fragos Townsend, the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Terrorism.

    The new directive concentrates an unprecedented amount of emergency authority in the office of the president, specifying that the president now has the authority to direct "National Essential Functions" of all federal state, local, territorial and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations in the event of a national emergency.

    The directive loosely defines "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."

    The KBR contingency contract appears to give ICE the ability to have detention facilities constructed under the president's direction in response to a national emergency as declared under NSPD-51/HSPD-20.

    The initial White House press release announcing the presidential directive included no background explanation of the directive or statement by the president. The press release merely posted NSPD-51/HSPD-20 on the White House website.

    Sections 23 and 24 of NSPD-51/HSPD-20 specify that Annex A and the classified Continuity Annexes are incorporated into the directive, even though they remain secret and are not available for examination as part of the published document.

    Still, Zuieback said she was not familiar with NSPD-51/HSPD-20. At her request, this writer e-mailed to her the White House website link to the directive posting.

    The White House declined comment on the initial WND story and has not yet responded to the story or to my previous column on the subject.
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    President Bush, without so much as issuing a press statement, on May 9 signed a directive that granted near dictatorial powers to the office of the president in the event of a national emergency declared by the president.

    The "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive," with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive, establishes under the office of president a new National Continuity Coordinator...

    When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, the president can take over all government functions and direct all private sector activities to ensure we will emerge from the emergency with an "enduring constitutional government."

    Translated into layman's terms, when the president determines a national emergency has occurred, the president can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.

    That job, as the document describes, is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.

    The directive loosely defines "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."
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    Let's hear the Busheep try to justify this before I say another word.......
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    Originally posted by FORD
    Let's hear the Busheep try to justify this before I say another word.......
    So if no one tries to justify this, we'll never hear another word from you again? I'm on board with that plan.
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    No, I was just alluding to the fact that I told the Busheep this was coming way back in 2002. Long before you were here.

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    No I'll just rant and scream "What's the source, HUH!?!? A Monnie rag or FAUX Newwz?!?"

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    Read this !!



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    Shame on you Elvis. You know that some "American hating Commie librul" deliberately planted that document on Chimpy's offical website just to confuse everyone.

    Nothing to see here ...

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    Hmmm...

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    Wait, wtf is going on?
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    The government can come and put anyone of us into one of those places.

    It has happened here before.

    Do you think that you might feel like killing yourself after five or six years in a place like that?

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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    Read this !!
    Thanks for the link!

    Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
    No I'll just rant and scream "What's the source, HUH!?!? A Monnie rag or FAUX Newwz?!?"
    Good enough for you?
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    From further reading, they are prepping for a simultaneous nuclear attack. Houston, LA, New York, Chicago, hit at the same time. The country would be divided into regions and people moved to the camps for whatever reason - possible danger to society, nowhere to live, etc. It looks like the government sees this not as possible but probable. It is a when not if situation.
    Great reason to leave the border open dont ya' think??????
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    Interesting book review from right wing site. Quotes former FBI director and adds several cities to my list above.

    http://w3.newsmax.com/a/dayofislam/?PROMO_CODE=34BF-1

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    So many detainees, so little time....


    Not like they're GOING anywhwere anytime soon...

    Not like we KNOW they're there...

    Operation Ignore II- The terrrists.

    Who cares, right?

    Maybe the FUTURE terrists do.

    Praise Allah and pass the IED's...

    Brilliant...Another martyr for the anti-west.

    Get any info from him before you decided to forget he was there?

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    Originally posted by Wallyg
    From further reading, they are prepping for a simultaneous nuclear attack. Houston, LA, New York, Chicago, hit at the same time. The country would be divided into regions and people moved to the camps for whatever reason - possible danger to society, nowhere to live, etc. It looks like the government sees this not as possible but probable. It is a when not if situation.
    Great reason to leave the border open dont ya' think??????
    Louis Armstrong..."What a wonderful world......."
    And if anyone believes that a mostly fictional band of cave dwelling imbeciles has the capability of such a nuclear attack, then you'll believe the lie they use to justify the concentration camps as well.

    If we don't get these fucking criminals out of our government, this WILL happen, and the attack WILL be from within these borders, by people who were born here, and grew up in Kennebunkport, not Tehran.

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    Originally posted by FORD
    And if anyone believes that a mostly fictional band of cave dwelling imbeciles has the capability of such a nuclear attack, then you'll believe the lie they use to justify the concentration camps as well.


    I guess we should ignore them, maybe they'll just leave us alone.
    Ignore the one's training to fly planes.
    Ignore the millions in wire transfers.
    Ignore the missing plutonium or enrichment programs.

    We don't want to cause a panic and upset the Civil liberties of honest working citizens such as yourself.

    Isn't that was said before 911?

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    You must be referring to the 52 warnings the BCE ignored in 2001, right?

    Or perhaps the recommendations that Vice President Gore made in 1996 which were IGNORED by the Republican congress?

    Or maybe the BCE firing FBI agent John O'Neill when he was investigating ties between the Saudi government and a "charity" operated by two of Osama's brothers??

    Of course he's not talking much these days either. I wonder who told him about that job opening?

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    Originally posted by FORD
    You must be referring to the 52 warnings the BCE ignored in 2001, right?

    Or perhaps the recommendations that Vice President Gore made in 1996 which were IGNORED by the Republican congress?

    Or maybe the BCE firing FBI agent John O'Neill when he was investigating ties between the Saudi government and a "charity" operated by two of Osama's brothers??

    Of course he's not talking much these days either. I wonder who told him about that job opening?
    That's right. HOOK. LINE. SINKER.

    You've just made my point.

    Before 911 they were called warnings. Now, they are tools of the administration to incite fear.

    You can spin all you want, my friend, but most can see through your line of bs. Save it for the uninformed.

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    Originally posted by Lqskdiver
    I guess we should ignore them, maybe they'll just leave us alone.
    Ignore the one's training to fly planes.
    Ignore the millions in wire transfers.
    Ignore the missing plutonium or enrichment programs.

    We don't want to cause a panic and upset the Civil liberties of honest working citizens such as yourself.

    Isn't that was said before 911?
    Yeah, let's all become a fascist police state after a nice terrorist Reichstag burning!

    BTW, you keep saying "ignore." No one is ignoring anything.

    In fact, tell me how many people have actually been prosecuted on the ACTUAL "terrorist" charges they were brought in with.

    I reckon it's almost nil...

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    Is There Still a Terrorist Threat?: The Myth of the Omnipresent Enemy
    John Mueller
    From Foreign Affairs, September/October 2006

    Summary: Despite all the ominous warnings of wily terrorists and imminent attacks, there has been neither a successful strike nor a close call in the United States since 9/11. The reasonable -- but rarely heard -- explanation is that there are no terrorists within the United States, and few have the means or the inclination to strike from abroad.

    ...

    On the first page of its founding manifesto, the massively funded Department of Homeland Security intones, "Today's terrorists can strike at any place, at any time, and with virtually any weapon."

    But if it is so easy to pull off an attack and if terrorists are so demonically competent, why have they not done it? Why have they not been sniping at people in shopping centers, collapsing tunnels, poisoning the food supply, cutting electrical lines, derailing trains, blowing up oil pipelines, causing massive traffic jams, or exploiting the countless other vulnerabilities that, according to security experts, could so easily be exploited?

    One reasonable explanation is that almost no terrorists exist in the United States and few have the means or the inclination to strike from abroad. But this explanation is rarely offered.

    ...

    Intelligence estimates in 2002 held that there were as many as 5,000 al Qaeda terrorists and supporters in the United States. However, a secret FBI report in 2005 wistfully noted that although the bureau had managed to arrest a few bad guys here and there after more than three years of intense and well-funded hunting, it had been unable to identify a single true al Qaeda sleeper cell anywhere in the country. Thousands of people in the United States have had their overseas communications monitored under a controversial warrantless surveillance program. Of these, fewer than ten U.S. citizens or residents per year have aroused enough suspicion to impel the agencies spying on them to seek warrants authorizing surveillance of their domestic communications as well; none of this activity, it appears, has led to an indictment on any charge whatever.

    In addition to massive eavesdropping and detention programs, every year some 30,000 "national security letters" are issued without judicial review, forcing businesses and other institutions to disclose confidential information about their customers without telling anyone they have done so. That process has generated thousands of leads that, when pursued, have led nowhere. Some 80,000 Arab and Muslim immigrants have been subjected to fingerprinting and registration, another 8,000 have been called in for interviews with the FBI, and over 5,000 foreign nationals have been imprisoned in initiatives designed to prevent terrorism. This activity, notes the Georgetown University law professor David Cole, has not resulted in a single conviction for a terrorist crime. In fact, only a small number of people picked up on terrorism charges -- always to great official fanfare -- have been convicted at all, and almost all of these convictions have been for other infractions, particularly immigration violations. Some of those convicted have clearly been mental cases or simply flaunting jihadist bravado -- rattling on about taking down the Brooklyn Bridge with a blowtorch, blowing up the Sears Tower if only they could get to Chicago, beheading the prime minister of Canada, or flooding lower Manhattan by somehow doing something terrible to one of those tunnels.
    ...

    But while keeping such potential dangers in mind, it is worth remembering that the total number of people killed since 9/11 by al Qaeda or al Qaeda_like operatives outside of Afghanistan and Iraq is not much higher than the number who drown in bathtubs in the United States in a single year, and that the lifetime chance of an American being killed by international terrorism is about one in 80,000 -- about the same chance of being killed by a comet or a meteor. Even if there were a 9/11-scale attack every three months for the next five years, the likelihood that an individual American would number among the dead would be two hundredths of a percent (or one in 5,000).

    Although it remains heretical to say so, the evidence so far suggests that fears of the omnipotent terrorist -- reminiscent of those inspired by images of the 20-foot-tall Japanese after Pearl Harbor or the 20-foot-tall Communists at various points in the Cold War (particularly after Sputnik) -- may have been overblown, the threat presented within the United States by al Qaeda greatly exaggerated. The massive and expensive homeland security apparatus erected since 9/11 may be persecuting some, spying on many, inconveniencing most, and taxing all to defend the United States against an enemy that scarcely exists.

    The full article is here.
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    Originally posted by Lqskdiver
    Ignore the one's training to fly planes.
    Ignore the millions in wire transfers.
    Ignore the missing plutonium or enrichment programs.
    A fine synopsis of the Bush Administration's agenda for their first 9 months in office.

    Three cheers for LittleQueenSuckdiver!

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    Glad to be back on your radar, DC.

    I'll be sure to stay away from the gay references. I've noticed it's kind of a touchy subject around you.

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    Originally posted by Lqskdiver
    Glad to be back on your radar, DC.

    I'll be sure to stay away from the gay references. I've noticed it's kind of a touchy subject around you.
    I got no problem with your gay shit. Your latent homosexuality is quite amusing. Suck away, yo!

    I again point you to your comments and compare them to the Bush Administration's early days. I can see why you would rather go gay than discuss that.
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    Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
    Your latent homosexuality is quite amusing. Suck away, yo!
    that.
    I figured you'd come back with a quirky response involving penile manipulation. You can't seem to leave it out of the discussion.

    Anyway, my point to FORD was his hypocrisy in pointing out the warnings given before 911 compared to the "terror tactics" being implemented now. These detention centers being discussed is just that...discussions. But the opposition is quick to point out Hitler similiarities and offer colorful commentary on how we are headed down the Nazi path.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is most feel safe when "THEIR" party is in office. It's what it boils down to isn't.

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    Originally posted by Lqskdiver
    I figured you'd come back with a quirky response involving penile manipulation. You can't seem to leave it out of the discussion.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is most feel safe when "THEIR" party is in office. It's what it boils down to isn't.
    You brought it up, sweet cheeks. I called you out on your bizzare descriptions of gay sex and now you just cannot leave it alone. Ha ha!

    There is a difference between feeling safer and actually being safe.

    Originally posted by Lqskdiver
    Ignore the one's training to fly planes.
    Ignore the millions in wire transfers.
    Ignore the missing plutonium or enrichment programs.
    The Bush Admin are gulty of all of the above. Your first two items, of course, apply to 911. The second to the so-called axis of evil.

    Remember 911 happened on Bush's watch.

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    All of you who are thinking this is more Bush tyranny, ponder this...

    Will the idea of all of this happening bother you when there is a Democrat in the Presidency?

    If you answered "no" to that question, I have another for you...
    What are you worried about? This is only a contingency strategy at this point. By the time any of it gets acted upon there will be someone else in the high seat.

    If you answered "yes" to the first question...
    Is it really Bush that's got you concerned, or were you worried when the media announced that stores of supplies for a nuclear attack were being put under the Brooklyn Bridge in the '80's. (they're still there btw)

    My feelings...the threat of a nuclear attack (or even an accident like Chernobyl) grows every year. As long as nuclear is being used, there is a need for a plan in the event of a catastrophe. There wasn't a rock solid plan for what happened in NO with Katrina and the levees and look how it turned out.

    I dunno, I'm a planning kinda person so I have no real issues with knowing that our government is taking some action to plan for the worst possible scenerio. I've worked bombing raid practice runs in a spit of a town in the middle of the Appalchain mountains...I know it's necessary and that anything can happen.
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    Chimpy seizing dictatorial powers and locking up American citizens in concentration camps isn't my definition of "emergency planning".

    And what makes this part of Chimp tyranny, is that no other President ever came up with such a fascist plan and then tried to justifiy it under "emergency response".

    Clinton may have had his faults (and I don't mean Monica) but at least FEMA worked when he was in office. The response to Hurricane Andrew (which was considered the worst hurricane disaster before Katrina) is a perfect example.

    Bottom line is that helping people is not the BCE's concern. Consolidating power is.

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    Originally posted by FORD
    And if anyone believes that a mostly fictional band of cave dwelling imbeciles has the capability of such a nuclear attack, then you'll believe the lie they use to justify the concentration camps as well.
    Right there is the arrogance that keeps me from changing my voter registration card to Democrat. You think we're better, smarter, and more powerful than them. I DON'T. It shows how much in posts like this one, and the Democratic party is supposed to be the "people's party"? Are you fucking kidding with this shit?

    Lemme tell you something, those savage, naked indians kicked the SHIT out of the hoyty toyty, well-dressed British soldiers. They use primitive yet effective tactics to even make a whole colony disappear. And just like you, the British thought the Indians were a lower form of life that couldn't possibly be intelligent enough to take them out.

    So you and your croonies better jump down off that evolutionary, societal high horse and take a good look around. Cause those "cave-dwelling-imbeciles" will cut your head off faster than you can piss your pants. Cause face to face with one of them.... you would.

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    Originally posted by FORD
    Chimpy seizing dictatorial powers and locking up American citizens in concentration camps isn't my definition of "emergency planning".

    And what makes this part of Chimp tyranny, is that no other President ever came up with such a fascist plan and then tried to justifiy it under "emergency response".

    Clinton may have had his faults (and I don't mean Monica) but at least FEMA worked when he was in office. The response to Hurricane Andrew (which was considered the worst hurricane disaster before Katrina) is a perfect example.

    Bottom line is that helping people is not the BCE's concern. Consolidating power is.
    FORD, by the time this were to get enacted BCE won't be in the President's seat anymore!!! Unless you can show proof that it's happening now, today.

    I'd hate to ship your ass back to WWII and see how you'd react to Japanese-Americans getting put into camps. Cause they did, it has happened before.....do you think that was a good reason?

    What will you complain about then? You didn't answer my question from yesterday!

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    Originally posted by Ellyllions
    FORD, by the time this were to get enacted BCE won't be in the President's seat anymore!!! Unless you can show proof that it's happening now, today.

    I'd hate to ship your ass back to WWII and see how you'd react to Japanese-Americans getting put into camps. Cause they did, it has happened before.....do you think that was a good reason?

    What will you complain about then? You didn't answer my question from yesterday!
    The internment of Japanese Americans was wrong as well. Unless they were flying the Japanese flag outside their house or chanting "Hirohito ROOLS!!" in the streets, their loyalty shouldn't have been questioned. Many of them even had family members serving in the military. The US military, that is. And yes, it was blatantly racist. Because it's easier to pick a Japanese American out of a crowd than a German American. On the other hand, if they HAD locked up German Americans, my dad would have spent half his childhood in a concentration camp, despite the fact that part of my family had been in this country since the 1830's.

    Again, the problem with the BCE is that they are shredding the Constitution in ways that no other President would have ever considered doing. And they aren't doing it as a housewarming present for Al Gore, or John Edwards, or Barack Obama, or ..... god help us all.....Hillary. They're setting this up because they PLAN on using it.

    Just like they PLANNED to invade Iraq, even before they chose Chimpy to be their frontman.
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    Originally posted by Ellyllions
    Right there is the arrogance that keeps me from changing my voter registration card to Democrat. You think we're better, smarter, and more powerful than them. I DON'T. It shows how much in posts like this one, and the Democratic party is supposed to be the "people's party"? Are you fucking kidding with this shit?

    Lemme tell you something, those savage, naked indians kicked the SHIT out of the hoyty toyty, well-dressed British soldiers. They use primitive yet effective tactics to even make a whole colony disappear. And just like you, the British thought the Indians were a lower form of life that couldn't possibly be intelligent enough to take them out.

    So you and your croonies better jump down off that evolutionary, societal high horse and take a good look around. Cause those "cave-dwelling-imbeciles" will cut your head off faster than you can piss your pants. Cause face to face with one of them.... you would.
    Hey, I'd be rooting for the Indians myself. But you missed the point.

    Indians were very effective with bows & arrows. Or tomahawks. Or knives. And the cave dwellers are effective with what they have.

    However....

    1) There is NO SUCH THING as a worldwide terrorist network.

    2) These guys in caves have no more nuclear capabilities than Crazy Horse or Geronimo did.

    Would I want a late night visit from an Apache raiding party? Probably not. Would I be worried that they were going to nuke Tucson? Hell no, they don't have the capability to do so.

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    Originally posted by DEMON CUNT

    The Bush Admin are gulty of all of the above. Your first two items, of course, apply to 911. The second to the so-called axis of evil.

    Remember 911 happened on Bush's watch.
    Listen, buttercup, this is typical scripted response by the left to justify their feelings for the president. It doesn't matter who's watch it happened on, it happened.

    Now do we sit back or do we let the shit fly?

    I think history will tell a different story. We finally decided to go after them instead of waiting around for them to come to us as had been the policy. And it's making alot of people nervous. I can't blame them and you for being scared...we are walking on uncharted territory. But the sooner we place a policy fo zero tolerance for terrorism, the sooner we'd make them think twice about pulling another stunt like that on OUR soil.

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    Don't even say the word racism. What you posted by calling them "cave dwelling imbeciles" is BLATANT discrimination. You wouldn't be rooting for the indians! You'd be calling them nasty savages, just as you have with another group that YOU consider to be backward and ignorant.

    Lemme tell you something dear. Don't go into a fistfight with a poor person. You'll try to be all honorable with your fists in clear site, while the poor person WILL have a knife to cut your throat. In a battle, put me on the side of the people who know how to use their resources in their environment without all the fancy equipment and prideful attitude.

    You're so much better than they are, won't you go take a nice early summer vacation to Tehran, Israel, or even Nigeria. I hear they're all nice this time of year. No terrorists networks? Well, if you're so sure, you can tell us all about it when you get back. Make sure when you're meeting folk that you talk your good old "lofty" American accent loudly telling them that there's no such thing as a terrorist network.

    But you won't and I wouldn't really want you to...because even though you (a Democrat supposedly considerate and thoughtful to all man-kind) make remarks about people the way you JUST did; this reigistered REPUBLICAN would be concerned for your safety. Imagine that shit!

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    Originally posted by FORD

    1) There is NO SUCH THING as a worldwide terrorist network.

    2) These guys in caves have no more nuclear capabilities than Crazy Horse or Geronimo did.

    Since FORD, in his endless wisdom, has decided to enlighten us on his counter-surveillance and declassify this sensitive information, I can truly now sleep better at night.



    We'll can go back to just IGNORING them.

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    Lq, the two reasons you quoted from Ford is exactly why 9-11 happened in the first place.

    No one believed that those "cave-dwelling imbeciles" could touch us.

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    Originally posted by Wallyg
    From further reading, they are prepping for a simultaneous nuclear attack. Houston, LA, New York, Chicago, hit at the same time. The country would be divided into regions and people moved to the camps for whatever reason - possible danger to society, nowhere to live, etc. It looks like the government sees this not as possible but probable. It is a when not if situation.
    Great reason to leave the border open dont ya' think??????
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    Shit. The govt. can't even handle one crises in New Orleans let alone sevral at the same time. There will be caos and the govt. will be stuck with it's head up it's collective ass.
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    Originally posted by Lqskdiver
    Listen, buttercup, this is typical scripted response by the left to justify their feelings for the president. It doesn't matter who's watch it happened on, it happened.

    Now do we sit back or do we let the shit fly?

    I think history will tell a different story. We finally decided to go after them instead of waiting around for them to come to us as had been the policy. And it's making alot of people nervous. I can't blame them and you for being scared...we are walking on uncharted territory. But the sooner we place a policy fo zero tolerance for terrorism, the sooner we'd make them think twice about pulling another stunt like that on OUR soil.
    So, because your guy was in the White House he gets a pass. Clinton Lies about a blowjob and... well you know.

    No, I don't believe that we should just let them be. On the other hand I do not approve of kicking the hornet's nest.

    Zero tolerance is a naive and stupid notion. These people are willing to die for their cause. How do you plan on making them "think twice"?

    You really need to think through the talking points before you repeat them.

    Does Zero tolerance for drinking and driving stop it? No, the police can simply enforce the law if they catch you drinking and driving.

    They would have never done that on our soil unless we allowed it. How long did it take for our defence in the air to engage the hijacked aircraft? Do you know? Do you know what the official protocol is for such an event? Not unless Hannity told you.

    You "think history will tell a different story." Are you psychic? Or simply speaking in cliches?

    This man does not look surprised to me...


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    Originally posted by DEMON CUNT

    This man does not look surprised to me...

    You're right, he doesn't look surprised in that photo, he looks pissed off.

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    Originally posted by Ellyllions
    You're right, he doesn't look surprised in that photo, he looks pissed off.
    Yeah, the "Decider" was so pissed off that he sat there and read a story with children for another 7 - 18 minutes while America was under attack.

    Here's where you tell me that he didn't want to upset the children by excusing himself for some Presidential business. The President gave no orders to scramble fighter jets, etc. He made no attempts to get additional information. Just a nice story about a goat.

    Bush's visit to the school was of public record.

    Watch the footage. That's fear.

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