I'm not a fan of Maher's but this movie is pretty interesting. Has a lot of good points, but Maher doesn't know when to STFU and listen, like with the "Jews For Jesus" guy. He's too busy trying to throw his jokes in with the interviews. You can watch it here para gratis if you like...
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=1T33HYA9
Why would I want to watch a movie trying to convince me that my religion is wrong? I'd no sooner watch a movie telling me that my liking of Van Halen is wrong.
I rank Bill up there with Al Sharpton on my "I Wish Predator Would Catch That Fucker" list.
Maher....Ha, what a douchebag!!!
~Only you can prevent low volume~
I find Maher to be quite amusing and thought provoking.
I do wonder why believers in such an all powerful "God" find him to be so threatening. They feel the need to avoid Maher and his work or issue silly threats and call him names. See previous entries on the thread for details.
You may like him, but I find the cat to be a worm. Taking no side, for or against diety, I think he's a useless pustsule.
Which side do you take?Originally Posted by VanHalener
Overall....
I believe there is much more than just life on earth as we know it.
We'll see, I guess.
I don't dislike Bill for his views and opinions, I just don't like the dude. Just rubs me wrong.
I think that's an odd assumption...he's not out there trying to rob people of their souls or their faith, he's only asking practical questions about several religious doctrines and what the real intentions were/are. If your faith in whatever you believe is strong, you shouldn't be afraid or offended....what would Jesus do?
:bottle:
I'm not afraid or offended at all, nor did I say I was. I'm not offended that many people can't stand Van Halen either. Everyone has their own beliefs and opinions and that's totally cool. I'm just not into watching a movie by a guy who keeps trying to debunk mine. I don't get how so many people can believe in something, whether it's in a God/higher power or that there is no God, and feel the need to try to convince everyone else of the same.I think that's an odd assumption...he's not out there trying to rob people of their souls or their faith, he's only asking practical questions about several religious doctrines and what the real intentions were/are. If your faith in whatever you believe is strong, you shouldn't be afraid or offended....what would Jesus do?
Faith is subjective. There's no way to prove what's right or wrong. You can debate and ask all the questions you want, but it doesn't change the fact that there's no way to prove anything either way. Much like music. It's a personal choice/belief/opinion on what's best for you, and I think people should leave it at that.
How do you even know what the actual points of his movie are? You haven't even seen it.
Maybe he's not taking issue with the existence or nonexistence of a God. Maybe he's just mocking the shit out of organized religion, whose actions are often so hypocritical and contrary to the teachings of the figures they claims to represent that they are downright blasphemous.....
I've seen clips of it and watched two interviews with him where he discussed it. He was also recently on Huckabee.
Just got done watching it........wasn't too bad and there were some funny parts. Overall, pretty good flick......I agree, he was trying to be too cute in some parts. Maher's not the type of host or comic I can watch everyday or seek out. Just once in awhile.....
Thanks for posting the link, Sheep.
E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place
So Bill Maher making a documentary about the exploitation of religion is bad, but Mike Huckabee turning his religious fanaticism into a "career" at FAUX Noise is OK??
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"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992
It has nothing to do with bad or good, right or wrong. Like I've said a couple times now, watch whatever you want. If you enjoy it, that's terrific. I'm just choosing to not watch it.
Religious people tend to avoid information that challenges their beliefs.
Invisible made up shit does not stand up up to much scrutiny.
Frightening analogy, to say the least......
As is evident in the Truck Stop Baptist Church scene.
(SPOILER!)
Celebrity Boxing:
Bill Maher vs Dennis Miller
I'd love it!
Bingo. I can't wait to check it out.
I can already tell this is the kind of movie my former Catholic Church will (if they haven't already) FORBID anyone to see...
I remember when The Exorcist came out - I was a little kid, but I remember them telling us we WOULD "burn in hell" if we so much as watched the movie, or read the book... (yeah, they're not about thought-control, though!)
I know that having an attitude is part of your internet shtick, but I'm going to use your comment as an example: it's degrading, insulting views/comments like that no matter if it's a nonbeliever against a believer or a believer against a nonbeliever.
The reason why so many people with a religious faith don't engage in conversation that contradicts their faith is that they're insulted for having the faith. It doesn't become a conversation about interesting details, what the differing views are, and food for thought from both sides. It usually turns into an attack on the believer of their faith. Usually invisible sky god or pretend make-believe daddy are thrown around. Well, who would want to walk into that situation regardless of what the topic was? And trust me, lots of us who prescribe to a faith have walked down that path, either with intent or by accident, enough to know when to avoid it.
And I know not all who don't prescribe to a faith are like that. And I know that those who don't prescribe to a faith are likely to turn into our little example by being treated that way by crazy hate-filled fundies, who unfortunately are so vocal that they end up being the example to others when they are the exception.
It all comes to respect and a person's intention for engaging in such a conversation.
But, then again, if we had more respect for each other overall, lots of things in this world wouldn't be.
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Ah, Ally...missed ya.
He does have a point though, in that most people won't even engage in a serious debate, no "spirit-daddy" being thrown around or anything, because a LOT of it does not stand up to logical or scientific scrutiny. But that's where faith comes in anyway, right?
That and a lot of people don't bother getting educated in the history of religions, how they formed, how their different, and (most importantly) they're connected. Hell, a lot aren't even educated in their own religion. It's quite sad.Ah, Ally...missed ya.
He does have a point though, in that most people won't even engage in a serious debate, no "spirit-daddy" being thrown around or anything, because a LOT of it does not stand up to logical or scientific scrutiny. But that's where faith comes in anyway, right?
The reason I think is because they view it the same as studying evolution: they see it as sinful and that opening themselves up to it will bring the devil into their soul. This then circles back to not being educated in their own religion.
Wow!! That's sooo true.
Me too! :confused: At Rothfans, Lounge started a thread "Do You Believe" and a poster put all kinds of satanic pics of Satan blaspheming Jesus and a few people got offended, and someone took them down. Those pics didn’t bother me one bit. Even though Lounge started that thread with a questionable sign, I felt it was cool of him to want those satanic pics taken down too. I think he even knew those pics went too far.
I always felt it was pretty dumb to make fun of someone else’s beliefs when you can’t even explain your own. And that goes BOTH ways.
Well said, Ally.
I'll admit that I do play rough around here. I can take what I dish out and then some. I love a good thought provoking challenge. It helps me keep my own "beliefs" in check. And yes, I will call them "beliefs" because that is what they are. I, however, do not fear or avoid information to the contrary.
I will offer this cliché to members who find it difficult to engage in forums such as this one: "If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen." If having your beliefs mocked or deconstructed offends you that much you should probably spend less time in The Front Line and more time in prayer. If having your screen name fucked with causes you pain then you are nothing but a fucking baby.
I find many people of faith to be soft bellied and ignorant of their beliefs. Many are unable to articulate their faith beyond the simple pop-culture understanding of Christianity. Such laziness is absurd and does not serve one's cause in the least. It also makes for extremely boring conversation.
They know not of the origins of the modern Bible. They choose not to live according to Christ's example. Most simply fear death and feel the need to choose what their "afterlife" will look like. Ironically, most are able to provide a more vivid description of Hell than their chosen "destination."
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24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Jesus cometh, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and see my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and put it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing."
28 Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
Just got an e mail from JC.....
He wanted y'all to know that He was planning on visiting this thread, but due to the current events in Gaza, He's a little busy trying to talk His Dad down from smiting the living fuck out of Israel at the moment.
In some religions, that would mean God is arguing with himself.
What a sick joke the Middle East is on the world....3 religions that believe in the same God, breaking God's law to keep a small area of desert away from one another. That doesn't sound like "intelligent design" to me...it's more like "Punk'd".
Quite a sad state this forum has fallen into when someone can't post an opinion, without slamming anyone, and get nothing but crap for it. Some of you are so hooked on hopping online to see what flame war you can post for the day that you either drive people away, or end up with a thread with no decent argument or discussion.
All I said at the beginning was that I choose not to view the movie. I didn't say it was a horrible movie, that you shouldn't watch it, or that anyone would be damned if they don't believe any specific way. I just stated I personally would choose to not watch this move and gave an analogy that makes sense to me. And for some reason you and many others feel the need to slam me for that? Why do you feel such a need to change my beliefs to yours? Why is it such a big deal that I choose to not watch this movie? Do you guys get royalties from this film?
And about the screen name changing. That was a post from another thread where I simply pointed out that when you end up not being able to effectively argue back a point I make, you resort to name calling. That's childish, or "fucking baby" as you so eloquently put it. I think this just shows that it's you that finds it "difficult to engage in forums", at least not intelligently.
What's even more sad than that is when a poster wastes an entire post crying about how mean everybody else is. Grow up.
Of course you didn't say that. You can't, because you have no idea what the movie's about, apparently. And therefore shouldn't even be posting in the thread in the first place, unless you're at least relatively educated about the subject material.
And if that's the way you're going to go through your life, that's entirely your right, but when you openly admit to it, you might expect to receive a little grief - ESPECIALLY from those who have seen the kind of damage organized religion (ORGANIZED) has done over the centuries to people because they DON'T bury their heads in the sand and say "I'M NOT GONNA WATCH! I DON'T LIKE CHALLENGES!"
Twistin' by the pool.
LMMFAO while rolling eyes. [I'm multi-tasking]
Site has been back up one week, and you've already cried, whined, and bitched about the forum more than anyone.
If you post an opinion, you KNOW you are opening your post up to every critic here. You KNEW this going in.
So now cuntplaining about it is ridiculous.
I hear they have a really soft touch over at RF. Maybe you'd feel the warm and fuzies over there.
This is the Roth ARMY. We wear flak jackets and protective cups here, smoochie.
And your VH "analogy" was silly. If you can't see/admit that, then you're not the intelligent guy I took you for.
Sac up and deal with it in here, or find a softer place to lay your head.
This is the NFL.
Repeat once more for the slow of mind. I've seen enough of the movie to know that it is not something I would enjoy watching for 90 minutes. Clips, interviews, and discussions.
Call me any name in the book, or feel free to make a few new ones up. Do you really think with my screen name I don't know that I'm opening myself up to this? I've heard some really ingenious ones too. I don't care. But at least have the decency to do it in the context of an actual take. Name calling when posted alone shows a poster has run out of arguments or is simply uneducated on the subject. If you want to pwn my take in any thread, that's awesome. I don't post here for people to agree with me...obviously.LMMFAO while rolling eyes. [I'm multi-tasking]
If you post an opinion, you KNOW you are opening your post up to every critic here. You KNEW this going in.
Back on topic though, I watched about 8 more minutes of the film as maybe the few 30 second clips I had seen were giving me a false impression. It's not horrible, it's still pretty much what I had already gathered from the previous interviews & clips I had seen, but I still don't really want to watch any more of it. I don't watch Mr. Maher's show either. I think the last one I watched had Stephen Pearcy on, which was quite some time ago. I can't stand shows where people yell over each other and not one of them seems to be able to get a full point across. It becomes too much like shows like Hannity & Colmes. Hard to understand anyone when three or four people are talking over each other.
Excellent points
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You've seen "enough of it" to know that it's not something you would enjoy watching for 90 minutes.
You ALSO said "I'm just not into watching a movie by a guy who keeps trying to debunk mine (religious beliefs)", which inclines me to believe something else entirely, leading us right back to the "head in the sand" thing.
Either way, you're not really qualified to debate the pros or cons of the movie to much of any degree because you're admittedly not familiar with it and are, by default, most likely biased against it.
I guess it depends on how or what aspect of religion you are trying to debate.......there's the Historical aspect to Christianity, how it formed and how the Dogma of what is now perceived as Christianity evolved. My interest has always been in the historical context because really......after having grown up in "The Church" and having studied the bible in a church context.......it's two completely different subjects......Agrueing faith or your own faith based beliefs of the bible is pointless, you either have it or you don't and no amount of arguing will change that.
Debating the historical context and the motives or reasons the current religions are they way they are and how they built on older traditions is something that even the faithful should be able to handle......most churches and experts agree on certain fundamental facts that the bible was built upon oral traditions from all over......how that can "shake" or ruin your faith has more to do with the person's weakness than being able to hold or have a debate........if you're that weak in your faith that you can't even reason and see that the Bible has evolved over thousands of years, incorporates many different traditions and early beliefs........if you can not or are unwilling to believe or discuss the possibilities that the Bible wasn't written by just a few people over a short amount of time....ie, Moses wrote his parts of the bible in real time.....stay out of the discussions. Unless you are trying to debate faith.
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Religion is for people other than me.
I will watch this movie.
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Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.
100% accurate. Which is why I haven't debated any pros or cons of the content of the film. Just the fact that I'm choosing not to view it in it's entirety.
Isn't it a wonderful thing that we can make these personal decisions for ourselves? Don't forget the popcorn.
Satan took care of that....
Fuck Orville Redenbacher, Satan's DevilPop dragon roasted gourmet popcorn is the shit!
Sadaist don't you realize that by not watching this movie you are now a religious bigot and are closed minded?
I love how whenever an argument of this sort happens the people here that lead the flame war end up just looking like extreme assholes, or cunts if you will...
I didn't see Iron Man, does that make me a DC fanboy?
R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984
hopefully God will ressurect you
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