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    Beating a dead horse here, but great article nonetheless.

    Larry Flynt: Common Sense 2009

    Common Sense 2009

    The American government -- which we once called our government -- has been taken over by Wall Street, the mega-corporations and the super-rich. They are the ones who decide our fate. It is this group of powerful elites, the people President Franklin D. Roosevelt called "economic royalists," who choose our elected officials -- indeed, our very form of government. Both Democrats and Republicans dance to the tune of their corporate masters. In America, corporations do not control the government. In America, corporations are the government.

    This was never more obvious than with the Wall Street bailout, whereby the very corporations that caused the collapse of our economy were rewarded with taxpayer dollars. So arrogant, so smug were they that, without a moment's hesitation, they took our money -- yours and mine -- to pay their executives multimillion-dollar bonuses, something they continue doing to this very day. They have no shame. They don't care what you and I think about them. Henry Kissinger refers to us as "useless eaters."

    But, you say, we have elected a candidate of change. To which I respond: Do these words of President Obama sound like change?

    "A culture of irresponsibility took root, from Wall Street to Washington to Main Street."
    There it is. Right there. We are Main Street. We must, according to our president, share the blame. He went on to say: "And a regulatory regime basically crafted in the wake of a 20th-century economic crisis -- the Great Depression -- was overwhelmed by the speed, scope and sophistication of a 21st-century global economy."

    This is nonsense.

    The reason Wall Street was able to game the system the way it did -- knowing that they would become rich at the expense of the American people (oh, yes, they most certainly knew that) -- was because the financial elite had bribed our legislators to roll back the protections enacted after the Stock Market Crash of 1929.

    Congress gutted the Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial lending banks from investment banks, and passed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which allowed for self-regulation with no oversight. The Securities and Exchange Commission subsequently revised its rules to allow for even less oversight -- and we've all seen how well that worked out. To date, no serious legislation has been offered by the Obama administration to correct these problems.

    Instead, Obama wants to increase the oversight power of the Federal Reserve. Never mind that it already had significant oversight power before our most recent economic meltdown, yet failed to take action. Never mind that the Fed is not a government agency but a cartel of private bankers that cannot be held accountable by Washington. Whatever the Fed does with these supposed new oversight powers will be behind closed doors.

    Obama's failure to act sends one message loud and clear: He cannot stand up to the powerful Wall Street interests that supplied the bulk of his campaign money for the 2008 election. Nor, for that matter, can Congress, for much the same reason.

    Consider what multibillionaire banker David Rockefeller wrote in his 2002 memoirs:

    "Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."


    Read Rockefeller's words again. He actually admits to working against the "best interests of the United States."


    Need more? Here's what Rockefeller said in 1994 at a U.N. dinner: "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." They're gaming us. Our country has been stolen from us.

    Journalist Matt Taibbi, writing in Rolling Stone, notes that esteemed economist John Kenneth Galbraith laid the 1929 crash at the feet of banking giant Goldman Sachs. Taibbi goes on to say that Goldman Sachs has been behind every other economic downturn as well, including the most recent one. As if that wasn't enough, Goldman Sachs even had a hand in pushing gas prices up to $4 a gallon.

    The problem with bankers is longstanding. Here's what one of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, had to say about them:

    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, and then by deflation, the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their father's conquered."


    We all know that the first American Revolution officially began in 1776, with the Declaration of Independence. Less well known is that the single strongest motivating factor for revolution was the colonists' attempt to free themselves from the Bank of England. But how many of you know about the second revolution, referred to by historians as Shays' Rebellion? It took place in 1786-87, and once again the banks were the cause. This time they were putting the screws to America's farmers.

    Daniel Shays was a farmer in western Massachusetts. Like many other farmers of the day, he was being driven into bankruptcy by the banks' predatory lending practices. (Sound familiar?) Rallying other farmers to his side, Shays led his rebels in an attack on the courts and the local armory. The rebellion itself failed, but a message had been sent: The bankers (and the politicians who supported them) ultimately backed off. As Thomas Jefferson famously quipped in regard to the insurrection: "A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    Perhaps it's time to consider that option once again.

    I'm calling for a national strike, one designed to close the country down for a day. The intent? Real campaign-finance reform and strong restrictions on lobbying. Because nothing will change until we take corporate money out of politics. Nothing will improve until our politicians are once again answerable to their constituents, not the rich and powerful.

    Let's set a date. No one goes to work. No one buys anything. And if that isn't effective -- if the politicians ignore us -- we do it again. And again. And again.

    The real war is not between the left and the right. It is between the average American and the ruling class. If we come together on this single issue, everything else will resolve itself. It's time we took back our government from those who would make us their slaves.

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    WHEN will people in this country say "enough is enough!" ?

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    I will go toe to toe with the unfortunate. I always felt so bad for him being shot in a courtroom. . .

    First off

    Mr. Flynt needs to address corruption and predatory practices in his own industry, the sex trade. Once he has demonstrated that he is against corruption and predatory practices, he will not be so green behind the ears on what it takes to regulate a sector of society.



    corruption need not be accepted as part of commerce
    It is not nonsense that a culture of corruption is what gave way and enhanced the unethical behaviors exhibited in the current crisis. In small towns and backwoods across America is has become commonplace to accept corruption as part and parcel of government and business alike. Even if these areas idealize vice as fiscal segment of their society, low ethics and corruption need not be accepted as part of commerce. It is there where the people can take courage and begin to take responsibility for their sector.

    The SEC needs teeth, so does the Federal Reserve.
    I somewhat agree when him on the SEC, but this is also where he is showing the green behind his ears. The SEC needs teeth, so does the Federal Reserve. It cannot be expected as Greenspan assumed that without structured penalties compliance is to be expected. Especially, in the enlightenment of the corruption age, it is foolhardy to think that certain sorts of our society will not be tempted by motive, opportunity, or perceived pressures to use unethical means to an end. This “means justifies the ends” mentality must go. People, real people, need to be held accountable when corporate and governmental agencies commit corruption. Moreover, to do this enforcement agencies need teeth.

    finical oversight along with the teeth to penalize
    As for the global market, Mr. Flynt needs to become aware of the age. He takes advantage of the very global monetary system he is saying does not exist. When his sales of his product are only within the boundaries of American borders, them let him preach no global markets. In the mean time, global oversight is needed. In today’s world, finical (and many other crimes) span the globe. You think those little nitwits from Nigeria is just an annoyance and not our issue, but they are. Their criminal activities affect people globally and to control those types of criminal enterprises and other like it, such as the Somali pirates, finical oversight along with the teeth to penalize these governments and individuals needs to be in place.

    spend some time in your industry addressing corruption and predatory practices
    So, Mr. Flynt, spend some time in your industry addressing corruption and predatory practices, get that green off your ear and come back when you have experience in cleaning corruption and predators from a sector of society.
    To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
    MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwsully View Post
    WHEN will people in this country say "enough is enough!" ?
    Many are. But they are being immediately branded as racists or plants by the opposition. While this may be true of some of the people beginning to rise up, I don't believe it represents the majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Many are. But they are being immediately branded as racists or plants by the opposition. While this may be true of some of the people beginning to rise up, I don't believe it represents the majority.
    Then why did they sit on their asses through 8 years of Chimp and Cheney actually destroying their country, and only have a problem with it NOW, when a Black man is trying to do something about a REAL problem, like health care.

    The teabaggers aren't in the same camp as Larry Flynt here (and I mean with his politics, not his occupation) If they were, they would be advocating FOR single payer health care, because it would be the biggest FUCK YOU to corporatist corruption since FDR was president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Many are. But they are being immediately branded as racists or plants by the opposition. While this may be true of some of the people beginning to rise up, I don't believe it represents the majority.
    Fucking PLEASE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    when a Black man is trying to do something about a REAL problem

    Why do you insist on using the Presidents skin pigmentation as a defense? It seems to be a much bigger issue with his supporters than opposition.

    I see a whole lot more of "He's great, and you don't like him only because he is black"

    than I do "I don't like him because he is black".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    Fucking PLEASE.
    Insightful response. At least FORD had the courtesy to call an American President a derogatory name "chimpy", refer to the race card "BLACK man", and use a deviant sexual comment to describe people against continuous tax hikes "Teabaggers".

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    The fact that Obama is Black is not an issue to me, but it IS a problem for the teabaggers. Have they EVER fucking dared to question whether any other President was a goddamn US citizen? They despised Clinton, but did they ever ask to see his goddamn birth certificate?

    Ironically it was McCain who was actually born on foreign soil (Panama, and not in the canal zone either) but on the list of things I would have been concerned with in a McCain pResidency, that would have ranked somewhere in the bottom 5 of the list.

    But you never heard these clowns bring up that issue in the campaign did you? Oh that's right..... McCain's a white Republican, so he's assumed to be American.

    BTW, how many of these same teabaggers would willingly amend the Constitution to make Herr Gropenfuhrer eligible to be President? Probably every last one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Have they EVER fucking dared to question whether any other President was a goddamn US citizen?
    Funny that you of all people can't understand how a handful of people can actually believe in some government conspiracy/cover up.



    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Herr Gropenfuhrer
    Who? Honestly, reading your posts is like trying to decipher a MadLibs. I can't keep up with all of the names you give everyone, and I read a lot of your posts. Can't imagine a casual reader perusing one of your rants.

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    Your governor. The Austrian born son of a concentration camp guard who likes to grope women who are not his wife. Hence the name "Herr Gropenfuhrer"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Insightful response. At least FORD had the courtesy to call an American President a derogatory name "chimpy", refer to the race card "BLACK man", and use a deviant sexual comment to describe people against continuous tax hikes "Teabaggers".
    But at least I didn't fall back on Bill O'Reilly head in the sand 101 in regards to the Dittohead agenda against the President.

    "Oh, they're accusing us of racism, but it's failing! The American people are winning!"

    Like I said, FUCKING PLEASE. Racism is what it is and there's absolutely no disguising it. You know what ELSE there's no disguising? Idiotic slight of hand by the Republican right to try and deflect their blatant attempts to derail EVERY aspect of Obama's presidency with "The American people have spoken!" bullshit.

    That's right, I said it. BULLSHIT.

    Birthers?
    Racists?
    Socialism?

    GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.

    I'd love to know where all these cocksuckers were when Bush was FLAGRANTLY disregarding the constitution and Dickhead Cheney was obtaining more and more personal power for his position. I'd like to know where all these cocksuckers were when Bush was abandoning bin Laden for the (supposedly) richer fields of Iraq. I'd like to know where all these cocksuckers were then. I'd REALLY like to know.

    Oh! That's right! Bush was a bible thumper so it was all under some kind of holy fucking mandate which makes it all ok, right?

    Tell me, if Obama told you that his agenda was a religious mandate from the almighty, would it be OK then?

    I'll tell you what right here and right now, that whole "They're accusing us of racism, but that's failing and the American people are winning!" crock of horse shit that worthless fucks like Glenn Beck and his Fox News cronies are spewing to themselves is SO far out of alignment I can't imagine anybody with an IQ over 60 lowering themselves to even repeat it, let alone actually buy into it.

    The American people are fucking LOSING because these Fox News/Republican agenda "Derail it all!" dickheads are losing it FOR America.

    That "detailed" enough for you?

    Because I think "FUCKING PLEASE" pretty much covers it nicely, myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    I can't imagine anybody with an IQ over 60 lowering themselves to even repeat it, let alone actually buy into it.

    ...said the man after his long rant on the very subject.

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    Well, to keep beating a dead horse.......Bush lied to us about the reason to invade a sovereign nation and no one other than a few free thinking people even seemed to mind. Killing thousand of people in the process and costing us trillions of dollars but war is OK just not health care for the millions of people who are uninsured.

    Bush let Bernanke basically give a blank check to all their Wall Street buddies.....where was the outrage there.

    The News a few weeks ago confirmed that the US government was spying and collecting information on thousands of law abiding citizens who had absolutely no ties to anti-government plots or terrorism. Done under Cheney's watchful eyes but no one has a problem with that.

    So basically the most corrupt and blatantly anti-consistuional government known to man is fine but give out free/affordable health care and watch the Socialism tag get thrown around.

    Quick questions.......Did government get bigger or smaller under Bush? Did government spending increase or decrease under Bush? How many innocent people died because of Bush? How much of our tax payers money went missing and is unaccounted for because of Bush......just try to account for the billions Halliburton spent........wait you can't! When questioned on that point by congress Halliburton basically said "we don't know where the money went". No problem we trust you and we know you guys because Cheney used to work for you so don't worry about paying any of it back.

    Yeah Obama has really fucked this country up. We were doing so great under Bush
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    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    but give out free/affordable health care and watch the Socialism tag get thrown around.

    Free? You sure about that chief?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Free? You sure about that chief?
    ...of course not, nothing is in play yet......hence, free/affordable tag.

    So out of my entire post that's all you have?
    Last edited by kwame k; 08-23-2009 at 10:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    ...said the man after his long rant on the very subject.
    Nice job dodging the whole thing.

    You wanted INSIGHT from me on the subject, and I just gave it to you. Now you're whining about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    ...of course not, nothing is in play yet......hence, free/affordable tag.

    So out of my entire post that's all you have?
    When your post starts of with ridiculous claims, it makes it difficult to take the rest of it seriously. The "free/affordable health care" is totally off base. Free and/or affordable for whom? The people who use it. I can guarantee you it will not be free to working Americans lucky enough to be making a decent salary. Affordable for them? Possibly. But there are only so many tax dollars you can take. At some point things do pass the "affordable" point.


    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    Did government get bigger or smaller under Bush?
    Bigger, but not even in the same ballpark as what President Obama’s vision is.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    Did government spending increase or decrease under Bush?
    Again, not even in the same universe as what Obama envisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    How many innocent people died because of Bush?
    If you really want to play that card, how many innocent people died due to President Clinton’s inaction? Or, how many more innocent people were not killed because of Bush’s actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    The News a few weeks ago confirmed that the US government was spying and collecting information on thousands of law abiding citizens who had absolutely no ties to anti-government plots or terrorism. Done under Cheney's watchful eyes but no one has a problem with that.
    And did these law abiding citizens end up on a White House black list and begin receiving emails from David Axelrod?

    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    When questioned on that point by congress Halliburton basically said "we don't know where the money went"
    Maybe they used the same accountants used by Obama’s "Cash For Clunkers" architects. The program that was scheduled to run through October and ran out of money in one week. Or any of his other programs that will require much more money than originally projected.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    Yeah Obama has really fucked this country up. We were doing so great under Bush
    What exactly has Obama done that can be claimed a triumph? Enough time has passed now that President Obama needs to begin being judged by what he has done and planning to do...and not what his predecessor did or did not do. The Democrats have full control of all branches of government and yet, haven't done anything with their power but play the blame game. Even their own are starting to speak up against particular ideas only to be quickly admonished, cast away, and labeled "Blue Dogs".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    Nice job dodging the whole thing.

    You wanted INSIGHT from me on the subject, and I just gave it to you. Now you're whining about it?

    Whining? Screaming through your keyboard is insightful to you? Six exclamations, 17 words in all caps, and 13 offensive words is how you make your point? Shows a high level of intellect if not just frustration with knowing the difficulties you face backing up your statements.


    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    FUCKING PLEASE. Racism is what it is and there's absolutely no disguising it.
    The "everyone who disagrees with Obama is racist" is as ridiculous as the "everyone who disagrees with Bush is un-American" was.

    Rather than yell "racist" at everyone who disagrees, why not instead post all of the terrific things Obama has done/doing and what their benefits to everyone are? Educate us point by point. That is what you demanded from Bush supporters. Why when the coin is flipped do you not see this? It is scary for you I'm sure, because everything that you will claim Obama will do that is wonderful, will be shot down by the truth of the sheer costs involved and the impossibilities of achieving these goals without driving this country further into the ground than you can wrap your mind around.

    Oh, I suppose you will retort "Bush supporters didn't back up anything". But that shouldn't preclude you from backing your guy now. The "but Bush, but Bush" is getting old. We have a pretty decent stretch now of Obama being in office. Enough time at least for him to show this magnificent change & redirection/healing of the country. So far all I've seen is hope. The hope that he will stop spending money he does not have. The hope that the wealthy will finally get what's coming to them. The hope that a handout is in the mail. The hope that the government doesn't get their hands into controlling everything or the hope that the government will take care of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Whining? Screaming through your keyboard is insightful to you? Six exclamations, 17 words in all caps, and 13 offensive words is how you make your point?
    Should I have wrapped it up in prettier words for you? Jesus Christ, really.

    Still dodging, I see.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Shows a high level of intellect if not just frustration with knowing the difficulties you face backing up your statements.


    Most of it strikes me as common sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    The "everyone who disagrees with Obama is racist" is as ridiculous as the "everyone who disagrees with Bush is un-American" was.
    Yeah, and?

    I never said it wasn't. But the fact that Republicans are trying to wrap it up in "Oh, we're being painted as racists, but America's seeing through it! We're winning!" is GLORIFIED BULLSHIT.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Rather than yell "racist" at everyone who disagrees, why not instead post all of the terrific things Obama has done/doing and what their benefits to everyone are?
    Um, because I've already done that? I'll call racism where I see it, I don't need to have what it is or isn't clarified to me, especially not by you.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Educate us point by point. That is what you demanded from Bush supporters.
    I didn't demand anything from Bush supporters. I knew exactly why they were supporting him and that demanding any sort of sensible reason was a lost cause.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Why when the coin is flipped do you not see this?
    Gee, it's funny. I seem to remember a "This is America! Love it or leave it!" mentality when all the Bush supporters were in power. Why is it when the coin is flipped all of a sudden it doesn't work for you anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    It is scary for you I'm sure, because everything that you will claim Obama will do that is wonderful, will be shot down by the truth of the sheer costs involved and the impossibilities of achieving these goals without driving this country further into the ground than you can wrap your mind around.
    LMAO. "Scary", hunh? I know what sheer fucking terror is, and I see it demonstrated every time I turn on Fox News and listen to any of the birthers and socialism pushers. They demonstrate their growing level of horror pretty effectively all on their own.

    OOOOH, evil socialism!

    OOOOH, birth certificates!

    OOOOH, he hates white people!

    Yeah, I don't think I need you to tell me what "scared" is.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Oh, I suppose you will retort "Bush supporters didn't back up anything".
    They didn't, other than with a fucking bible. I use the same backup to wipe my ass daily.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    But that shouldn't preclude you from backing your guy now.
    Never has, genius. You paid attention to anything I've posted since 2006 about Obama?

    Probably not, but the point remains...

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    The "but Bush, but Bush" is getting old.
    Oh, yeah, I'm sure it is. I'm sure Republicans would just LOVE to sweep all of the damning evidence against Bush and his criminal presidency under the carpet under the guise of "Oh, come on, it's getting old...blah blah blah..."

    With any luck, it won't be that easy for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    We have a pretty decent stretch now of Obama being in office.
    LMAO

    7 months? Um, OK. Even I gave Bush benefit of the doubt for four years. Bad choice on my part, but live and learn. Most Republicans have been pissing in their pants since election day. Or before.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Enough time at least for him to show this magnificent change & redirection/healing of the country. So far all I've seen is hope.
    Odd. Looks to me like he's been a pretty fucking busy President since day one. Of course, your side of the fence has been doing absolutely boo shit to help and have even LOWERED yourselves to actually contributing to derail any and all efforts at bipartisan work.

    Been listening to your Fox News, I see.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    The hope that he will stop spending money he does not have.
    Were you bitching about it when Bush was spending shitloads of cash per day in Iraq that we didn't have? Oh no...that was a holy fucking mandate, I forgot...

    Here we are trying to spend it at home in the hopes that it'll reinvigorate this economy that's been fucked by Republican mismanagement and corporate greed at the highest levels to be found in this country, and DO SOMETHING for American citizens and businesses, and NOW you wanna bitch about financial conservation? Lovely.

    Fox News talking points. Empty and vapid. And luckily enough, the MINORITY.
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    I tend not to take my political advice from a man who was born in Kentucky and super-glues a models' labia to her leg for a "better shot".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post

    Odd. Looks to me like he's been a pretty fucking busy President since day one. Of course, your side of the fence has been doing absolutely boo shit to help and have even LOWERED yourselves to actually contributing to derail any and all efforts at bipartisan work.
    And accomplished exactly what? Why does Obama need bipartisan support to pass his agenda? The Democrats have full control, yet are inept with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    Been listening to your Fox News, I see.
    No. Shepard Smith maybe twice a month.

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    every time I turn on Fox News
    Wait, you just chastised me for assuming I watch it, and you're the one that's watching? Do as I say, not as I do mentality. Let me guess, you're way too smart to be swayed by anything on that network and watch it simply for laughs.

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    But the fact that Republicans are trying to wrap it up in "Oh, we're being painted as racists, but America's seeing through it! We're winning!" is GLORIFIED BULLSHIT...
    I'll call racism where I see it
    So they either are racists, and they should be rightly labeled as such.

    or

    they are not racists and you're using the "glorified bullshit" as a crutch for your weak arguments.

    So are they or aren't they being wrongly tagged as racist? Easy question considering you & others at this site claim to be able to spot it a mile away.

    I think you believe they are all racists, but are flat out scared to come out and just admit to it. Insinuations, small little tidbit comments here & there, eluding to it in your statements. It's a whole lot easier to tip toe around the subject crying about how they are whining about being called that the whole time rather than sack up and flat out say "they are all racists".

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    I seem to remember a "This is America! Love it or leave it!"
    I do recall many high profile liberals stating they would move out of the country if Bush were elected for a second term. Unfortunately none made good on their promises.

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    Were you bitching about it when Bush was spending shitloads of cash per day in Iraq that we didn't have?
    I was "bitching" that not enough money was going where it was needed most. That the troops on the ground did not have sufficient equipment nor funds to purchase that equipment. I do remember Democrats continuous attempts at stopping the funding as well. I'm sure you remember, it was in the days of the news-ticker style daily count of deaths in the war. Since Obama has been elected, soldiers have still died over there. Where is the daily count/tally now? Or do their deaths not mean as much because Democrats can't use them for political gain?

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    OOOOH, evil socialism!
    No one claims Obama has a magic socialism button or is going to suddenly pass a "We're switching to Socialism" bill, but his ideas, agenda, and things he has done already are traveling down that road. If we do not want to be a socialist country, at what point do we finally draw the line? When do we say "OK government...we think we're close enough now. Time to stop & hold the status quo"?

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    OOOOH, he hates white people!
    Funny, I remember the exact thing being said about Bush hating black people. Katrina ring a bell?

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    Here we are trying to spend it at home in the hopes that it'll reinvigorate this economy that's been fucked by Republican mismanagement and DO SOMETHING for American citizens and businesses
    Well, you got me there. Raising the deficit to unprecedented levels, spending billions of dollars on pork projects and greased palms, taxing businesses and citizens dry, leaving a massive debt for future generations, and allowing the government to get their hands in every aspect of our lives is DOING SOMETHING.

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    The banks don't have any power that we (as a people) don't give them. About 2 years ago when this shit started to go down, I decided I didn't want to belong to a credit society. I paid off all my credit cards. I paid all my loans, except my car loan and my student loan, and I started saving a significant amount of money every month from not having to make all those additional payments. I turned around and paid off 1 of my 2 student loans.

    This year I'll pay off the other (25 years ahead of schedule) or pay off my car (3 years ahead of schedule). Next year I'll pay off the other. Additionally, I've taken a european vacation, bought a new entertainment center and new king sized bed + mattress -- all with cash. I don't buy anything unless I have the cash to buy it. I save up. The anticipation and planning actually makes the end result of my purchase more satisfying instead of charging it to a card and wondering how I'm going to pay yet another bill. My credit score has soared from paying down all my debts and closing the accounts I previously had.

    That doesn't really matter to me. I don't plan on buying anything on credit. Not a car. Not a house. Nothing. When my girlfriend and I get married, her entire income will be diverted to savings; I already make enough to support us both and still be able to save 1/3 of my own income already based on not being under a mountain of credit card bills.

    If you don't want a bank to control your immediate life, don't sign up to be their slaves. If you don't want the banks to control our society, then a lot of us have to change how we run our own lives. It's not hard. It just takes dedication and discipline, not revolution.

    For a lot of people in this country, it's a lot easier to strap a gun to their hip and try to make some asinine point that they are defending themselves than it is to clean up their own lives and lead by example. What a shame.

    And if Obama is owned by the banks, why did they cram through the credit card reform that was supposed to help so many? Or is that some sort of Trojan horse to you guys?
    I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

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    Nice try.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Funny, I remember the exact thing being said about Bush hating black people. Katrina ring a bell?
    Yeah, it does...and how is it a relevant comparison in the first fucking place? Has there been any comparable disaster in a predominantly white area of a city that Obama has fucked off on for over three days while people drowned? Didn't think so, so STFU with that one...


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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    And accomplished exactly what?
    Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act into law, 1/29/09

    Signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, 2/4/09, which continued coverage for 7 million children and extended coverage to 4 million more

    Signed the DTV Delay Act into law, 2/11/09, to give Americans more time to make the transition from analog to digital television

    Signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law, 2/17/09

    Named White House aides on urban affairs, investing billions of dollars in programs benefiting urban areas “where 80% of the American people live and work.”

    Supported the market while trimming excesses...

    Re-established some of our credibility overseas...

    Introduced initiatives for treatment of Guantanamo detainees to equal pay for women to high speed railway plans....

    Working to introduce jobs in renewable energy that will relieve us of our dependence on foreign oil by 2020...

    National security? We're still not being attacked...

    I can go on and on, but trust me, he's been pretty busy.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Why does Obama need bipartisan support to pass his agenda? The Democrats have full control, yet are inept with it.
    This is true. But the original point was this, since you seem to have missed it - he went to Republicans in a bi-partisan effort to work on numerous problems facing the country and was met with a closed fist every time. Did you forget that that was what I said? Perhaps you should engage in the use of your scroll feature on the right hand side of your computer so that you can keep involved with the discussion and keep things in context here.

    As far as other Democrats are concerned, I can name you quite a few that I'm not exactly happy with...oh wait! I already have in numerous other posts. Have you not read them?

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    No. Shepard Smith maybe twice a month.
    Funny, considering you seem to recite most of their rhetoric like an old pro. In any regards, it's still baseless.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Wait, you just chastised me for assuming I watch it, and you're the one that's watching? Do as I say, not as I do mentality. Let me guess, you're way too smart to be swayed by anything on that network and watch it simply for laughs.
    Basically, yeah. It's obviously a work of fiction, which is exactly what I've been saying for, oh, the last eight years or so. I like to know how the other half thinks and what the guns 'n' bibles mentality, uh, takes as gospel. And they do take Fox News as gospel. I know. I've seen it in action.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    So they either are racists, and they should be rightly labeled as such. or they are not racists and you're using the "glorified bullshit" as a crutch for your weak arguments.
    LMAO.

    Let me spell it out for you...AGAIN...in plain English: 1) I know what racism is; 2) I don't need you to tell me what it isn't.

    Do you have a hard time with that concept?

    Do NOT sit there and tell me you're being portrayed as a racist but you're "winning". I'm simply too fucking smart for that. And I think most people are.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    So are they or aren't they being wrongly tagged as racist? Easy question considering you & others at this site claim to be able to spot it a mile away.
    See above. It's not a difficult thing to follow here.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    I think you believe they are all racists, but are flat out scared to come out and just admit to it.


    Again...FUCKING PLEASE. Who are you trying to convince with that?

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Insinuations, small little tidbit comments here & there, eluding to it in your statements.
    LMAO! Really?

    Show me proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    It's a whole lot easier to tip toe around the subject crying about how they are whining about being called that the whole time rather than sack up and flat out say "they are all racists".
    Jesus Christ, your leaps of logic are astonishing. Are you from Krypton? Must be the way they defy gravity.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    I do recall many high profile liberals stating they would move out of the country if Bush were elected for a second term. Unfortunately none made good on their promises.
    True. Did you actually have a point with that, or...?

    Personally, I don't give much of a shit whether the Baldwins live here or abroad, frankly. It's, um, irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    I was "bitching" that not enough money was going where it was needed most. That the troops on the ground did not have sufficient equipment nor funds to purchase that equipment.
    THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE FUCKING BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    I do remember Democrats continuous attempts at stopping the funding as well.
    Well, cutting off the flow of cash would certainly go a long way to derail a war. Or so one would think. Guess Bush thought otherwise, considering he kept them over there. Who do you think that shows has less consideration for our troops?

    In any regards, their not having proper equipment was bullshit and all involved with the lack of that equipment should be held accountable.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Since Obama has been elected, soldiers have still died over there. Where is the daily count/tally now? Or do their deaths not mean as much because Democrats can't use them for political gain?
    Oh yeah, deaths don't mean as much now. Yeah, that's it. Well, let me say this about that...if that's the way you figure people feel about it, you're really fucked in the head and have deeper problems than I can address.

    As far as Iraq is concerned, ensuring their continued security has been our responsibility since we illegally invaded them. I said as much during Bush's reign of terror. We owe them that much. On the plus side, Obama does in fact have an exit strategy by August 31st, 2010, something his inept predecessor did not (and visibly had no interest in).

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    No one claims Obama has a magic socialism button or is going to suddenly pass a "We're switching to Socialism" bill, but his ideas, agenda, and things he has done already are traveling down that road.
    I disagree. I see nothing to back that up, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    If we do not want to be a socialist country, at what point do we finally draw the line? When do we say "OK government...we think we're close enough now. Time to stop & hold the status quo"?


    "Status quo" is what got us into this fucking mess in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Funny, I remember the exact thing being said about Bush hating black people. Katrina ring a bell?
    Did you see me saying it? If not, you have no point. Additionally, the whole Katrina affair was just mismanaged, period; and the outcry of "Bush hates blacks" was the result of a natural disaster which hit a very distinctive percentage of people; the whole "Obama hates whites!" comes from the talking heads at Fox News and specifically Glenn Beck. You tell me what's worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Well, you got me there. Raising the deficit to unprecedented levels,
    Necessary, and being invested in American interests as a way of stopping the country from imploding. Thank your BCE, trickle nowhere economics and the highest levels of corporate greed in this country for that being a necessity.

    Let's see. I know it's been used before, I think maybe Lounge used it?

    The forest is on fire. The fire department shows up. They start trying to put out the fire and all of a sudden a portion of the campers are bitching about water conservation.

    Beautiful logic!

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Spending billions of dollars on pork projects and greased palms,
    I love the word "pork". "Pork" essentially translates into "He's spending money and I guess I don't like it because it's not going to me". And thus goes the rest of your 'financial argument'.
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    I don't give a damn who started what in this economic crap...

    I don't give a damn who's black or white or green or yellow...

    But I do want the federal government to do the jopb they are paid to do. Especially in the regulatory and justice departments. There's a ton of fraud that's gone on specific to the mortgage industry... I suspect a good part of it is still going on. That crap needs to be halted. Same thing with Wall St...

    If we don't fix anything so that this crap stops and doesn't happen again... you can't expect anything to improve. Start shutting down the banks, the mortgage companies and probably the best starting point is the companies giving triple AAA credit ratings to banks sitting on toxic debt.

    Only until some house cleaning occurs will the markets and economy start to rebuild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    If we don't fix anything so that this crap stops and doesn't happen again... you can't expect anything to improve. Start shutting down the banks, the mortgage companies and probably the best starting point is the companies giving triple AAA credit ratings to banks sitting on toxic debt.

    Only until some house cleaning occurs will the markets and economy start to rebuild.
    That's all well and good in theory Zoo but our banks and their creepy cousin the mortgage industry are like an infected tooth of corruption that if you pull it what good does it do when the infection has already spread throughout the rest of the body? The true function of the government is in the minority in that you have large corporations, special focus groups, and lobbyists all influencing and thus eventually making the laws that benefit them and their aims while fucking the tax payer over & over who bail out their mistakes.

    To stand up and simply say "enough is enough" is more cliche t-shirt slogan than revolution in these days; in fact, if there was a "enough is enough" so-called grass roots movement (in the same manner as that retarded tea baggers nonsense) it would most likely end up being sponsored by Coke-a-Cola, Geico, and Merk Pharmaceuticals. And I'm not being at all cynical here - that actually would happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    That's all well and good in theory Zoo but our banks and their creepy cousin the mortgage industry are like an infected tooth of corruption that if you pull it what good does it do when the infection has already spread throughout the rest of the body? The true function of the government is in the minority in that you have large corporations, special focus groups, and lobbyists all influencing and thus eventually making the laws that benefit them and their aims while fucking the tax payer over & over who bail out their mistakes.

    To stand up and simply say "enough is enough" is more cliche t-shirt slogan than revolution in these days; in fact, if there was a "enough is enough" so-called grass roots movement (in the same manner as that retarded tea baggers nonsense) it would most likely end up being sponsored by Coke-a-Cola, Geico, and Merk Pharmaceuticals. And I'm not being at all cynical here - that actually would happen.
    You missed a key point I made... present day regulatory and justice departments need to start doing their current damn jobs.

    For example... Federal Housing Finance Agency need to be actively reviewing loan activities within Fannie Mae, Fannie Mac and all Federal Home Loan Banks. For every case of fraud found putting people in loans they can't afford... shuffle that case over to the FBI for prosecution.

    SEC should be aggressively going after the companies that have regulatory oversight over the outfits that provide credit ratings for financial companies. Review their loan portfolios and if there are signs that these companies have given inappropriate ratings... shut them down immediately and send the case over to the justice department for prosecution.

    I'm not advocating any sort of t-shirt slogan crap. I'm advocating that our federal government get off their lazy asses and do what they are being paid to do today. Don't need any new laws or legislation... just get to work. If they can't fire or impeach whoever is the top leader and get someone who can motivate these people to work their asses off.

    Go research the Savings and Loan debacle... see how the feds cleaned up that mess and sent a lot of these white collar criminals to jail... along with some of their own government employees who were part of the fraud. Go view the video Igosplut posted in this forum... here http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/front...al-crisis.html

    That guy knows what he's talking about and isn't some crackpot with a half assed plan.

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    Too bad the last president we had who had enough balls to tell the Fed they could no longer run the United States economy got him a brand-spanking new air-conditioned brainpan, courtesy of our local CIA:


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post

    I'm not advocating any sort of t-shirt slogan crap. I'm advocating that our federal government get off their lazy asses and do what they are being paid to do today. Don't need any new laws or legislation... just get to work. If they can't fire or impeach whoever is the top leader and get someone who can motivate these people to work their asses off.
    I didn't miss your point, just that there is too much outside influence on our current government to make a difference anymore. Maybe I am too cynical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    Re-established some of our credibility overseas...
    Like when the Chinese laughed in Tim Geithners face when he said the American dollar would be strong and we would make good on our debts? Or maybe the "reset button" we gave to Russia...that went well. Or how Libya heeded Obamas harsh, harsh warning on not having a hero's welcome for the Lockerbie bomber. Maybe that's why people are beginning to ask Hillary what Bill thinks.

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    National security? We're still not being attacked...
    You did not buy this argument when Bush was President, but now claim it as one of Obamas triumphs?

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    Signed the DTV Delay Act into law, 2/11/09, to give Americans more time to make the transition from analog to digital television
    Really? It takes a messiah of hope and change to sign this? Wait, wasn't this a government program to buy people the new converters?

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act into law, 1/29/09

    Signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, 2/4/09, which continued coverage for 7 million children and extended coverage to 4 million more

    Signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law, 2/17/09

    Named White House aides on urban affairs, investing billions of dollars in programs benefiting urban areas “where 80% of the American people live and work.”

    Supported the market while trimming excesses...

    Introduced initiatives for treatment of Guantanamo detainees to equal pay for women to high speed railway plans....

    Working to introduce jobs in renewable energy that will relieve us of our dependence on foreign oil by 2020...

    I can go on and on, but trust me, he's been pretty busy.

    Looks like all he has done is spend a bunch of money (more than he has). Don't really see any "excesses" being trimmed. And you list these as Obama triumphs? Great accomplishments? Looks about similar to any other average Presidents first 6-7 months in office. Where's the change? Or is that where the hope comes in?

    I give you credit for attempting. At least you listed something. But come on. Really? You honestly believe these are great things that could not have been accomplished if any of the other potential Presidential candidates had won?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardrock69 View Post
    Too bad the last president we had who had enough balls to tell the Fed they could no longer run the United States economy got him a brand-spanking new air-conditioned brainpan, courtesy of our local CIA:
    Ohhh no the big scary picture post!
    [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/2udxqb6.jpg[IMG]
    Ohh, the great conspiracy. The so big so bad the it's not really there so nothing to confront, but it's there so don't confront it magical mystical anonymous mAJIC jACK, sON OF sAM
    Blow off with that crap

    Corruption happens, always did always will, but just like the scary corruption of the Mississippi Burning eras, it can be confronted, removed and/or cleaned. Murder has no statue of limitations. And even if the guilty die before confession or accountability. There is no reason to say, "yep, that's it nothing can be done now"... And not continue working toward accountability of business and governmental agencies.

    Your worship of the intimidation factor is idolatry at the one of the most sinister levels.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Really? You honestly believe these are great things that could not have been accomplished if any of the other potential Presidential candidates had won?
    There was only one other choice, and it wasn't pretty...

    Do you really believe Grandpa McCain and Moosealini would have done anywhere near as well thus far? Even close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    There was only one other choice, and it wasn't pretty...

    Do you really believe Grandpa McCain and Moosealini would have done anywhere near as well thus far? Even close?

    I meant all of the other candidates before it was down to McCain/Obama. Back when there were still several candidates on both sides vying for the nomination of their party.

    And when you ask if I believe if McCain would have "done anywhere near this well"...I don't see that Obama has done anything well. Maybe you should rephrase to "Do you really believe McCain would have done less damage?" Then my answer would be yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Yoda View Post
    The padawan is right. Douchebaggery at its finest, both are.
    Master Yoda?

    You always were a green little sniveling bitch. I should have killed you when you told me to accept my wife's impending demise with joy.

    I was ALWAYS more powerful than you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    I meant all of the other candidates before it was down to McCain/Obama. Back when there were still several candidates on both sides vying for the nomination of their party.
    Hillary?

    Romney?



    The REAL best candidate was Dennis Kucinich, but America doesn't quite have the balls to elect a REAL good President.

    Yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    And when you ask if I believe if McCain would have "done anywhere near this well"...I don't see that Obama has done anything well.
    Nice dodge, Neo.



    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Maybe you should rephrase to "Do you really believe McCain would have done less damage?" Then my answer would be yes.
    LMAO

    I might have agreed with you once, but...


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    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    Nice dodge, Neo.
    It wasn't a dodge. The question itself was fundamentally flawed. But cute response on your part. I liked that movie.

    Might as well have asked me "If a dolphin climbs a tree, will the cracked cheese bubble onto the titanium lip before the cow grabs the fork on the asteroid". Makes as much sense as saying Obama has done well.



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    The force is not strong with GAyR...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    The force is not strong with GAyR...
    No shit, huh?

    What we would do with him was ban every alias he tried to register so he had to post under his Gargle handle. Saved the other posters a lot of wasted space....

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