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  • FORD
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    • Jan 2004
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    MSNBC producer's observations from New Orleans Free Clinic event

    Health reform's human stories
    Countdown producer bears witness to America's health care shortcomings

    Rich Stockwell
    Senior producer, 'Countdown'


    MSNBC
    updated 4:39 p.m. PT, Mon., Nov . 16, 2009

    New Orleans, La. — - It happened as I watched a 50-something woman walk out, after spending several hours being attended to by volunteer doctors. "She's decided against treatment. A reasonable decision under the circumstances," the doctor tells us as she heads for the next patient. The president of the board of the National Association of Free Health Clinics tells me why: "It's stage four breast cancer, her body is filled with tumors." I don't know when that woman last saw a doctor. But I do know that if she had health insurance, the odds she would have seen a doctor long ago are much higher, and her chances for an earlier diagnosis and treatment would have been far greater.

    After watching for hours as the patients moved through the clinic, it was hard to believe that I was in America.

    Eighty-three percent of the patients they see are employed, they are not accepting other government help on a large scale, not "welfare queens" as some would like to have us believe. They are tax-paying, good, upstanding citizens who are trying to make it and give their kids a better life just like you and me.

    Ninety percent of the patients who came through Saturday's clinic had two or more diagnoses.
    Eighty-two percent had a life-threatening condition such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, or hypertension. They are victims of a system built with corporate profits at its center, which long ago forgot the moral imperative that should drive us to show compassion to our fellow men and women.

    Health reform is not about Democrats or Republicans or who can score political points for the next election, it's about people. It's about fairness and justice in a system that knows none. I'd defy even the most hardened capitalist-loving-conservative to do what I did on Saturday and continue to pretend that the system in place right now is working.

    Countdown chose to highlight and raise money for the Association of Free Clinics because we knew the work they do is so vitally important and we wanted to show in real terms how great the need is. We invited several politicians to attend so they could see first hand how critical the situation is. All declined. Some explained that they talk with constituents all the time and know very well of the need for reform.

    I have news for them, these people didn't need to speak. Their actions spoke far louder than any words. Having to get a check up and diagnoses at a free clinic because they have no other option tells you all you need to know. There are no words that can accurately describe the quiet desperation on the faces of the patients. Every single one I spoke to, and every one I heard talking with doctors, expressed their gratitude for the event and wished that they were held more often.

    They have been given the resources in their local communities with which they can get follow up care, but they are also the few. Over 700-thousand people in Louisiana alone have no health care, most of them with jobs that don't offer insurance.

    Or, worse, they have to decide whether to pay for that or food and housing. Four patients were taken out on stretchers and admitted immediately to hospitals. One woman who didn't know why she was feeling bad had a blood pressure of 280 over 180, numbness in her right arm, and "a slight headache." She now has a shot at survival, but without her attendance at the clinic, it was a matter of time before the inevitable happened.

    I spoke with a nurse who was there not as a volunteer, but as a patient. He works two part time jobs at hospitals providing quality care to those who have the one thing he doesn't. Many of his patients share his condition of high blood pressure, but they are fortunate to have insurance to pay for him to care for them while he goes without.

    His situation is not uncommon, he has tried for years to get more hours at one of his jobs so he will be eligible for benefits, but it hasn't happened yet. Our system of for-profit health care can't afford to give him and others benefits - might make the stock price drop a penny or two.
    The last time the media gathered at that convention center, it was for a natural disaster in which our government was rendered useless due to incompetence.

    This time we were there to cover a man-made disaster of even larger proportions. This is a disaster that goes largely unseen by most Americans. It is not too late for our current government to show that they are competent, and can do what the vast majority of Americans are asking them to. The incredibly dedicated people at the Association of Free Clinics told me the clinic would change me and I knew it would. None but the most hardened and heartless among us could watch that event and not be moved to action.

    I have changed. I am gratified that just over one thousand people were able to get the minimal amount of care and resources for follow up. But, I am heart-sick for the many more like them who didn't have the time or didn't know that they could get care on Saturday.

    They walk through their lives not knowing when the ticking time bomb might go off.
    Politicians continue to tell us we are the most compassionate and caring people, and clearly we have done much good in the world. I left the event overwhelmed by the hard work and dedication of the volunteers, doctors, nurses, other medical professionals, as well as ordinary citizens who came to help. I am left with one overwhelming question: what does it say about us as a nation of people who can live in a country so rich and yet allow this to continue?

    © 2009 msnbc.com
    URL: Health reform's human stories - Countdown with Keith Olbermann- msnbc.com


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  • ELVIS
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    I misplaced my miniature violin...

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    • Va Beach VH Fan
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      #3
      Originally posted by FORD
      One woman who didn't know why she was feeling bad had a blood pressure of 280 over 180, numbness in her right arm, and "a slight headache." She now has a shot at survival, but without her attendance at the clinic, it was a matter of time before the inevitable happened.
      That's amazing she's still alive....
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      • FORD
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        #4
        Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
        That's amazing she's still alive....
        No shit! My blood pressure was a little more than half that in a routine checkup a few years ago (made the mistake of having a meeting with a hostile boss about a half hour before) and they were so alarmed by the number that they ran every test on me they could do, short of actually cutting my chest open. Fortunately, those high numbers were an isolated incident, but I was running pretty high at the time, and had to go on prescription meds for a while, and then herbals after that to get it back to normal.

        Blood pressure ain't nothing to fuck around with.
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        • FORD
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          #5
          Originally posted by ELVIS
          I misplaced my miniature violin...
          Guess you missed the part about the male nurse working two jobs without insurance?

          Considering this is your hometown, you might work with that guy. Or more to the point, it could well be you. How's your liver doing after years of alcohol and pills? Or do you even know the answer to that? Jesus might have delivered you from addiction, but he didn't give you any free organ transplants.
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          • ELVIS
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            #6
            I honestly don't know, but that wasn't me. I've had three or four jobs at one time (I'm ashamed I don't exactly remember) in the nursing field, and yes, I sure could have worked with this guy...

            I don't profess to have the answer to anything, but I still have trouble with the premse of this article...


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            • FORD
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              #7
              The premise of this article is this...

              "Over 700-thousand people in Louisiana alone have no health care, most of them with jobs that don't offer insurance."

              You are one of those 700 thousand, even though you work in the health care industry, and by your own admisssion, have worked multiple jobs, like the nurse referenced in the article, with no health care from any of those employers.

              Nurses - those who provide health care to others - have no coverage for themselves. This is YOUR reality, and you don't see a problem with it?
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              • ELVIS
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                #8
                Sure I do, but we also have a Charity hospital system that accepts ANYBODY and the doctors, nurses, and the care delivered is the same as what is available for someone with a huge insurance plan...

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                • FORD
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ELVIS
                  Sure I do, but we also have a Charity hospital system that accepts ANYBODY and the doctors, nurses, and the care delivered is the same as what is available for someone with a huge insurance plan...
                  If that's true, then why are there people walking around with stage 4 breast cancer. metastasized to the point where any treatment is pointless, or with blood pressure literally through the ceiling? Why did these people have to wait for a travelling free clinic to come to town, if adequate "charity" systems exist? And surely if you know of this system, than the nurse mentioned in the story also would have known about them.
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                  • standin
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ELVIS
                    Sure I do, but we also have a Charity hospital system that accepts ANYBODY and the doctors, nurses, and the care delivered is the same as what is available for someone with a huge insurance plan...
                    That is because Mississippi with is High per capita charitable donations, which happen to extend into Louisiana, take care of you.

                    Mississippi does not mind taking care of the blue collar. God knows that is what sustains Mississippi, but do not pretend that charity hospital manifest itself from nothing.
                    To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
                    MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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                    • ELVIS
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by FORD
                      If that's true, then why are there people walking around with stage 4 breast cancer. metastasized to the point where any treatment is pointless, or with blood pressure literally through the ceiling? Why did these people have to wait for a travelling free clinic to come to town, if adequate "charity" systems exist? And surely if you know of this system, than the nurse mentioned in the story also would have known about them.
                      There is no way he doesn't. Charity Hospital Of New Orleans is famous world-wide and has been responsible for many medical breakthroughs over it's course of nearly 300 years...

                      Charity Hospital History


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                      • ELVIS
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        If that's true, then why are there people walking around with stage 4 breast cancer. metastasized to the point where any treatment is pointless, or with blood pressure literally through the ceiling? Why did these people have to wait for a travelling free clinic to come to town, if adequate "charity" systems exist?
                        There could be many reasons for those scenarios. Personal neglect, for one, who knows ??

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                        • Guitar Shark
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ELVIS
                          I misplaced my miniature violin...
                          Try looking in the vicinity of your miniature penis...
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                          • FORD
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                            • Jan 2004
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                            #14
                            So again, why are these people going without treatment, when they obviously have been in need of it for some time?

                            Believe me, nobody is going to live with daily chronic pain if they don't have to. I endured the worst toothaches imaginable several years ago, because I had no dental insurance and was either unemployed/underemployed/or a full time student when this happened, so there was no way I could come up with cash to pay for it. I went through this for years before I found out there was an emergency dental clinic operated by the local Catholic hospital. Hell, at that point I would have converted if they had made it a requirement for treatment.

                            If even the nurses have to go to the free clinic, I'm guessing there's some serious flaws in the local system.
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                            • ELVIS
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                              #15
                              How can you have a system without flaws ??

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