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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58783

    #16
    Originally posted by ELVIS
    How can you have a system without flaws ??
    You probably can't. But the best way to minimize the flaws is to take the profit motive out of the system, and make it actually about health CARE, with equal access for everybody.
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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
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      #17
      Then why not take the profit motive out of every system! We will all be one big happy world village of communism...

      THAT WILL NOT WORK!

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58783

        #18
        It can, will, and DOES work. In every fucking "civilized" country on the planet.

        Except this one And it's not "communism". It's common sense, and it's what Jesus would do.
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        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
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          #19
          What would be the incentive to do anything as far as work without profit being a motive ??

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          • ELVIS
            Banned
            • Dec 2003
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            #20
            I always knew you had radical ideas FORD, but not that bad...

            C'mon dude, wake up!

            You may say to yourself, "My power and the strength of my hands have produced this wealth for me." But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth.”

            Deuteronomy 8:17-18

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58783

              #21
              How Would Jesus Handle Health Care?

              Drew Smith
              Posted: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:56 am

              How Would Jesus Handle Health Care? | Drew Smith, Jesus, Health Care

              The test of faithfulness to Jesus is always in how we treat the vulnerable of society, Smith writes.

              One of the vocations for which Jesus is best known is being a healer. The Gospels narrate stories in which he makes the blind to see, the deaf to hear and the lame to walk. He heals some of dreaded diseases and raises others from the dead. Yet, the healing narrative in Mark 5:21-43 strikes me as particularly interesting in the way it is told and for its implications for how we envision health care reform in this country.

              In the hands of the author, the two stories of healing that we find in Mark 5:21-43 have become intertwined into one story. The story of Jairus, the synagogue leader, and his very ill daughter brackets the story of an unknown woman who has been hemorrhaging for 12 years.



              Both stories involve females in need of healing. The number 12 is important in both. Jesus' touch plays a key role in each healing. And the theme of faith is vital to what takes place in each episode. The literary structure and details not only force us to read the stories as one story, but lead us to see one story as having meaning for the other.

              Yet, when we read the stories as one, we also come away with the idea that the two individuals that come to Jesus could not be more different. Jairus, whose name we know, is a male. The woman, who remains nameless, is a female. Jairus is a leader in the synagogue, a man of great religious and political stature and influence. The unnamed woman is an outcast, who has been shunned by her community because of her disease. Jairus can come to Jesus expecting to seek healing for his daughter. The woman is disregarded by the crowd as she approaches Jesus from behind.

              Perhaps one of the reasons these two stories are linked together is so that readers can face the reality that in our human existence all of us are vulnerable to sickness and death. Sickness and death are universal, and they have neither respect for people of importance nor sympathy for those who are poor. At some point in life everybody suffers pain and sickness. Therefore, at some point in our lives, we will all seek healing.

              The problem, however, is that many who seek healing will never receive the care and treatment they need because they cannot afford health care coverage. In our wealthy and technologically advanced country, millions of people will not receive the health care they need because they cannot pay for such care. Tens of thousands die each year for lack of health care. Thousands of others suffer in pain and sickness because they cannot meet the expense of medical care and treatment.

              Politicians have debated this issue for some time now. Currently, there are plans being put forth to reform our health care system and make quality care affordable for all. Yet, there are still those who argue that our health care system should remain as it is, market driven.



              They think that the free market is the best solution to our health care problem, for in their minds competition will produce an industry that will be beneficial to all. The discussions have been reduced to political and economic debates that treat those who need health care coverage as mere numbers.

              Yet, the issue of providing health care to those who do not have access to such care because of the exorbitant costs is not a political or economic issue; it is a moral issue that calls us to re-envision how we see life and human dignity.

              In a market-driven system of health care, the unnamed woman would have perhaps gone untreated, but Jairus would have had the health care he needed for his daughter. After all, Jairus is a man of means. But the woman has no money left. Jesus, however, saw things differently. Jesus valued all human life as sacred to God, and he extended healing and wholeness to both the woman and Jairus' daughter.

              But in stopping to heal the unnamed woman instead of proceeding straightaway to Jairus' house uninterrupted, Jesus also rebuked a system that offered preferential treatment for those like Jairus who have power, status and money. He recognized the universality of pain and suffering, and thus he desired to heal both the woman and Jairus' daughter.



              He also knew the prejudices of societies that do not nurture and heal their most vulnerable members, and he stopped to affirm the value of someone who others perceived as an insignificant poor woman.

              The test of faithfulness to Jesus is always in how we treat the vulnerable of society. If we are to bear authentic witness to Jesus as the healer, and to God as the giver of life, then we must embrace the value and dignity of all human beings, but especially the vulnerable of our world. In our American society, perhaps there is no greater population that is more vulnerable than those who do not have access to good and affordable health care.

              It is time that Christians, and indeed people of all faiths, seriously consider this issue beyond the political battles and number crunching, to see the moral imperative of developing a system that offers to all the basic human right to quality and affordable health care.



              Drew Smith, an ordained Baptist minister, is director of international programs at Henderson State University in Arkadelphia, Ark. He blogs at Wilderness Preacher.

              How Would Jesus Handle Health Care? on EthicsDaily.com
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              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • kwame k
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Feb 2008
                • 11302

                #22
                Originally posted by ELVIS
                What would be the incentive to do anything as far as work without profit being a motive ??
                So the people who work in the Health Care Industry, in other countries, don't bring home a paycheck? Just because it's socialized doesn't mean there's no profit.......Come on now, ELVIS!
                Originally posted by vandeleur
                E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                • ELVIS
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 44120

                  #23
                  They can't pay for healthcare because they don't have jobs!!!

                  Unemployment is about to be 20%!!!!!

                  Where are the funds going to come from for this FREE healthcare ??

                  Can it just be wished out of thin air ??

                  NO, IT CANNOT!!!

                  Jesus had a job, retard...


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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    #24
                    Originally posted by kwame k
                    So the people who work in the Health Care Industry, in other countries, don't bring home a paycheck? Just because it's socialized doesn't mean there's no profit.......Come on now, ELVIS!
                    I never said there wasn't. I'm trying to point out that it's not possible without profit...

                    C'mon now, read the posts correctly...

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58783

                      #25
                      Originally posted by ELVIS

                      Jesus had a job, retard...


                      He did??

                      He was employed by His stepdad as a carpenter as a teenager, presumably. We don't really know what He did in his 20's, but the last three years of His life, He wasn't on anybody's payroll. In fact, He was basically "homeless".
                      Eat Us And Smile

                      Cenk For America 2024!!

                      Justice Democrats


                      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                      • jhale667
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 20929

                        #26
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        He did??

                        He was employed by His stepdad as a carpenter as a teenager, presumably. We don't really know what He did in his 20's, but the last three years of His life, He wasn't on anybody's payroll. In fact, He was basically "homeless".
                        The last three years of his life he was basically running a non-profit organization, wasn't he?
                        Originally posted by conmee
                        If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                        That is all.

                        Icon.
                        Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                        I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                        Originally posted by Isaac R.
                        Then it's really true??:eek:

                        The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                        OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                        Originally posted by eddie78
                        I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
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                          #27
                          He probably remained a carpenter and had enough money saved up to feed himself and help people as he fulfilled his role as the Christ. I don't know, but that seems to make sense...

                          The Bible also implys that Jesus paid his taxes, so...

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                          • ELVIS
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2003
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by jhale667
                            The last three years of his life he was basically running a non-profit organization, wasn't he?
                            Sure, but even that requires funds...

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                            • kwame k
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 11302

                              #29
                              Originally posted by ELVIS
                              I never said there wasn't. I'm trying to point out that it's not possible without profit...

                              C'mon now, read the posts correctly...
                              What would be the incentive to do anything as far as work without profit being a motive ??
                              Again, who ever said the Health Care Industry shouldn't make a profit.....every last person who works in the field that has "socialized" Health Care brings home a paycheck......no one works for free or is that what the so called defenders of freedom are telling you?
                              Originally posted by vandeleur
                              E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                              • ELVIS
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 44120

                                #30
                                I don't know if you're arguing with me or not, kwame...

                                You must be confused because i'm saying the same thing as you...

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