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Not a shred of evidence ??
BTW, storms are not indicative of climate change...
BTW, storms are not indicative of climate change...
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I thought "weather" and "climate change" were independent of one another. At least that's what I keep hearing here all the time. Of course, if you live in the Sahara Desert, your "weather" and "climate" are pretty closely linked. Or not, depending on who you listen to.American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.
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Looks like the car took the pole down. Look at the Pentagon and look where the light is. If the plane went into the Pentagon from the angle of where that downed light pole is the destruction on the building would have been at a angle instead of straight in.
Also it's impossible for an aluminum airplane to punch through that much concrete. The biggest density would be the engines. How come there isn't any damage where the engines were?
Talk to some retired heavy aircraft pilots and see how easy it would be to fly a large passenger aircraft on the same approach and speed and perfectly hit the side of the Pentagon. It might have been an airplane but not a large passenger craft.
To hit the Pentagon at the angle it got hit the bottom of the engines were probably 15 feet above the ground. You can't fly a large Boeing that low at 400 miles an hour due to the air cushion effect. It's impossible. Plus engines running that hard that low would make one hell of a mess on the ground tearing all sorts of stuff up.Last edited by Nitro Express; 07-16-2014, 02:50 AM.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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You might listen to this.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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I'm not sure where you got your cartoon physics degree from. But what part of the car hit the pole? The windshield? Maybe it was a controlled demolition?
How do you know it wasn't?Look at the Pentagon and look where the light is. If the plane went into the Pentagon from the angle of where that downed light pole is the destruction on the building would have been at a angle instead of straight in.
Should it have bounced off and done a belly flop? It was only several tonnes traveling at 400 mph. Of course it wouldn't make a dent, silly!...Also it's impossible for an aluminum airplane to punch through that much concrete. The biggest density would be the engines. How come there isn't any damage where the engines were?
You first...Talk to some retired heavy aircraft pilots and see how easy it would be to fly a large passenger aircraft on the same approach and speed and perfectly hit the side of the Pentagon...
So, you're saying it's impossible for planes to crash because they're protected by a magical cushion of air preventing them from hitting the ground or landing? Makes perfect sense! And in the history of air crashes, every plane's engine(s) was 15' from the ground at one point.To hit the Pentagon at the angle it got hit the bottom of the engines were probably 15 feet above the ground. You can't fly a large Boeing that low at 400 miles an hour due to the air cushion effect. It's impossible. Plus engines running that hard that low would make one hell of a mess on the ground tearing all sorts of stuff up.
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Man seeks video of 1995 Oklahoma City bombing
AP 5 hr ago By TIM TALLEY of Associated Press
What some consider a far-flung conspiracy theory will be at the forefront during a trial set to begin Monday in Salt Lake City. The Freedom of Information Act lawsuit was brought by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue against the FBI. He says the agency won't release security camera videos that show a second person was with Timothy McVeigh when he parked a truck outside the Oklahoma City federal building and detonated a bomb, killing 168 people. The government claims McVeigh was alone.
Unsatisfied by the FBI's previous explanations, U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups has ordered the agency to explain why it can't find videos from the bombing that are mentioned in evidence logs, citing the public importance of the tapes.
Trentadue believes the presence of a second suspect in the truck explains why his brother, Kenneth Trentadue, was flown to Oklahoma several months after the bombing, where he died in a federal holding cell in what was labeled a suicide. His brother bore a striking resemblance to the police sketch that officials sent out after the bombing based on witness descriptions of the enigmatic suspect "John Doe No. 2," who was the same height, build and complexion. The suspect was never identified.
"I did not start out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing, I started out for justice for my brother's murder," Jesse Trentadue said. "But along the way, every path I took, every lead I got, took me to the bombing."
The FBI says it can't find anything to suggest the videos exist, and says it would be "unreasonably burdensome" to do a search that would take a single staff person more than 18 months to conduct.
Jesse Trentadue's belief that the tapes exists stems from a Secret Service document written shortly after the bombing that describes security video footage of the attack that shows suspects — in plural — exiting the truck three minutes before it went off.
A Secret Service agent testified in 2004 that the log does, in fact, exist but that the government knows of no videotape. The log that the information was pulled from contained reports that were never verified, said Stacy A. Bauerschmidt, then-assistant to the special agent in charge of the agency's intelligence division.
Several investigators and prosecutors who worked the case told The Associated Press in 2004 they had never seen video footage like that described in the Secret Service log.
The FBI has released 30 video recordings to Trentadue from downtown Oklahoma City, but those recordings don't show the explosion or McVeigh's arrival in a rental truck.
If he wins at trial, Trentadue hopes to be able to search for the tapes himself rather than having to accept the FBI's answer that they don't exist.
Kathy Sanders and Jannie Coverdale, who both lost grandchildren in the bombing, are grateful for Trentadue's pursuit of the case. Sanders said she's been waiting 19 years to see the tapes.
"It is worth pursuing," Coverdale said. "I know there was somebody else. I have never stopped asking questions."
But former Oklahoma Rep. Susan Winchester, whose sister, Dr. Margaret "Peggy" Clark, was killed in the bombing, said she is satisfied that officials have identified everyone responsible for the bombing.
"I was very comfortable with the decisions that came out of the federal and state trials," Winchester said. "I have reached that point in my life where I can continue."
Jesse Trentadue's mission began four months after the bombing when his brother died at the U.S. Bureau of Prisons' Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City. Kenneth Trentadue, 44, a convicted bank robber and construction worker, was brought there after being picked up for probation violations while coming back to the U.S. at the Mexican border, Jesse Trentadue said.
His death was officially labeled a suicide. But his body had 41 wounds and bruises that his brother believes were the result of a beating. In 2008, a federal judge awarded the family $1.1 million in damages for extreme emotional distress in the government's handling of the death, but the amount was reduced to $900,000 after an appeal.
Jesse Trentadue's best guess about the motive is that his brother died in an interrogation gone wrong by investigators demanding information Kenneth Trentadue didn't have.
Jesse Trentadue filed the Freedom of Information Act lawsuit in 2008.
Going toe-to-toe with the federal government has come at a personal price for Jesse Trentadue, 67, who says he's lost time with his children and wife that he can't recover.
But he has no regrets, fueled by his love for his brother. Just three years apart, the two shared a bed, hunted coons together and played on the same sports teams growing up in a coal camp in West Virginia.
Their paths diverged as adults — Jesse becoming an attorney while Kenneth fell into drugs and crime — but the brotherly bond never broke. Before his death, Kenneth Trentadue had overcome his heroin addiction and had a newborn baby at home in San Diego, Jesse Trentadue said. The brothers spoke by phone from jail the night before his death, with the two discussing how he would soon be out.
"What I learned growing up in the coal fields is that you fight even when you know you can't win," he said. "Because you have to make a stand on some things. Justice for my brother is certainly one of them."
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McCombs reported from Salt Lake City. Follow Brady McCombs at https://twitter.com/BradyMcCombsComment
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