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    Annual Rock Hall Nominee Shit Show thread

    Nominated in the Performer category, artists included in this year's Nominee class are:

    Pat Benatar
    Dave Matthews Band
    Depeche Mode
    The Doobie Brothers
    Whitney Houston
    Judas Priest
    Kraftwerk
    MC5
    Motörhead
    Nine Inch Nails
    The Notorious B.I.G.
    Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
    Todd Rundgren
    Soundgarden
    T. Rex
    Thin Lizzy

    New this year, to cast a ballot in the official Klipsch Audio Fan Vote, you can search “Rock Hall Fan Vote” or the word “Vote” with any Nominee name on Google to cast your ballot.
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    You can vote once a day through January 10, 2020 and pick up to 5 Nominees per ballot. The top five artists will comprise, a “fans’ ballot” that will be tallied along with the other ballots to choose the 2020 Inductees.

    The Class of 2020 Nominees includes 9 artists on the ballot for the first time: Dave Matthews Band, The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Motörhead, The Notorious B.I.G., Pat Benatar, Soundgarden, T. Rex and Thin Lizzy.

    The 2020 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony, presented by Klipsch Audio, will be held at Public Auditorium in Cleveland, Ohio on May 2, 2020 and will be preceded by Induction Week with celebratory events and the opening of the 2020 Inductee exhibit.

    https://www.rockhall.com/2020-nominees
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    Additionally, Jann Wenner is stepping down as Rock Hall Foundation chairman and is being replaced by John Sykes. You'll remember Sykes as one of the guys that started MTV, and more recently, as someone who destroyed rock radio as he headed up what used to be Clear Channel and is now iHeart Radio.

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    Very unlikely that both Priest and Motorhead get in at the same time. That wouldn't make for a diverse enough broadcast. Same with Depeche Mode and Kraftwerk, and maybe NIN.

    I'd like to see Thin Lizzy and T. Rex get in.

    Rundgren, NIN, and Benatar bring the Cleveland connection. Runt has always been popular here, Reznor was in a local synth pop band, and Benatar's husband Neil Giraldo is a local.

    Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks asked for more females to be inducted but I don't think that's enough to warrant Whitney Houston's nomination. If they want a woman inductee, give it to Liz Phair.

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    Lots of dead people. I assume they don't like having too many of them as they can't play or even pay $10k a seat for dinner or whatever it is...
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    I doubt Reznor would show up.

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    The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is so Un-rock and roll. A real rocker would tell them to fuck themselves. The real hall of fame is a arena full of screaming fans and the band bringing the house down and people taking three days to recover from what they were subjected to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    A real rocker would tell them to fuck themselves.
    Ted Nugent recently did just that. Of course, he's being labled as "racist" because he bitched about some rapper not belonging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Ted Nugent recently did just that. Of course, he's being labled as "racist" because he bitched about some rapper not belonging.
    I dunno I think people were maybe wondering if he was a little bit racist back when he was calling Obama a subhman mongrel and a chimpanzee...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I dunno I think people were maybe wondering if he was a little bit racist back when he was calling Obama a subhman mongrel and a chimpanzee...
    Well, that's exactly what NObama is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Well, that's exactly what NObama is.
    Well yeah I get that. You are my friend and I really fucking disagree with some of your opinions about politics but ok we will debate that.

    Nugent is (I hope) way more intolerant than you but the difference is he is dishonest about it. He pretends not to be when it may affect his career.

    For such a macho fuck he is a coward and always has been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Ted Nugent recently did just that. Of course, he's being labled as "racist" because he bitched about some rapper not belonging.
    Ted is crazy like a fox. He understands it’s about getting attention and he’s gotten rich off of playing that game. Marketing 101. Ted has done well. You appeal to a niche market. If he played Detroit tomorrow the arena would be packed and he’s not going to bring anything new but the guy still can play very well. If everyone loved Ted Nugent nobody would care about Ted Nugent but he gets people to talk about him constantly. He doesn’t disappear and that right there is the brilliance of the motor city madman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Ted is crazy like a fox. He understands it’s about getting attention and he’s gotten rich off of playing that game. Marketing 101. Ted has done well. You appeal to a niche market. If he played Detroit tomorrow the arena would be packed and he’s not going to bring anything new but the guy still can play very well. If everyone loved Ted Nugent nobody would care about Ted Nugent but he gets people to talk about him constantly. He doesn’t disappear and that right there is the brilliance of the motor city madman.
    Really?

    Honestly, I thought that "Crazy Ted Nugent" cache was negated when Nugent pussied out by admitting covid was something people should take seriously and virtually apologizing after the Las Vegas mass shooting for how he had ratcheted up the gun nutter factor with his decades of irresponsible rhetoric.

    Whatever. The nitwits who adore Nugent will doubtless forget those two things.

    Batshit gun-stroking pedophile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Really?

    Honestly, I thought that "Crazy Ted Nugent" cache was negated when Nugent pussied out by admitting covid was something people should take seriously and virtually apologizing after the Las Vegas mass shooting for how he had ratcheted up the gun nutter factor with his decades of irresponsible rhetoric.

    Whatever. The nitwits who adore Nugent will doubtless forget those two things.

    Batshit gun-stroking pedophile.
    Life ain’t fair. Both Ted and Sammy Hagar are living the good life. They might be lovers.

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    I have the old Kraftwerk on vinyle for the fun, but there's nothing rock 'n' roll in there.
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    2022 Nominees:

    Beck
    Pat Benatar - 2nd nom
    Kate Bush - 3rd nom
    Devo - 3rd nom
    Duran Duran
    Eminem - 1st time eligible
    Eurythmics - 3rd nom
    Judas Priest - 3rd nom
    Fela Kuti - 2nd nom
    MC5 - 6th nom
    New York Dolls - 3rd nom
    Dolly Parton
    Rage Against the Machine - 4th nom
    Lionel Richie
    Carly Simon
    A Tribe Called Quest
    Dionne Warwick - 2nd nom

    Fan vote leaderboard - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfish View Post
    2022 Nominees:

    Beck
    Pat Benatar - 2nd nom
    Kate Bush - 3rd nom
    Devo - 3rd nom
    Duran Duran
    Eminem - 1st time eligible
    Eurythmics - 3rd nom
    Judas Priest - 3rd nom
    Fela Kuti - 2nd nom
    MC5 - 6th nom
    New York Dolls - 3rd nom
    Dolly Parton
    Rage Against the Machine - 4th nom
    Lionel Richie
    Carly Simon
    A Tribe Called Quest
    Dionne Warwick - 2nd nom

    Fan vote leaderboard - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

    Beck? Unless it's the Beck with Jeff in front of the name, er, um...no.
    Pat Benetar - surprised she wasn't in there already.
    Kate Bush - always a critical favorite (assumedly male critics who liked to rub one out to her), but even just in terms of the fame I'd wager precious few in America even know who she is.
    Devo - yeah, I'll buy that. Ohio natives and all.
    Duran Duran - yeeesh...look, I like Duran Duran, but rock? Mmmm, maybe a couple tunes here and there.
    Eminem - not rock.
    Eurythmics - not rock.
    Judas Priest - should've been in there already.
    Fela Kuti - ?????
    MC5 - should've been in there already.
    New York Dolls - should've been in there already.
    Dolly Parton - great country artist, classily pointed out that she has never been a rock artist and said 'thanks but no thanks'
    Rage Against The Machine - posers: hope they never get in.
    Lionel Richie - ??? The Commodores, maybe. Lionel Richie solo? That's some of the softest schmaltz ever produced.
    Carly Simon - see Lionel Richie.
    A Tribe Called Quest - see Rage Against The Machine
    Dionne Warwick - fer fuck sake, is this nomination a joke?


    Honestly, the place should just be named the Popular Music Hall Of Fame.

    With each passing year, it becomes more and more apparent that most of the important rock acts have already gotten in, and compiling these nominee lists is really an exercise in scraping the bottom.

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    So...

    The Eurythmics
    Dolly (as a token winner) but shes not rock 'n' roll which only goes to show how much of a fucking joke this all is.
    Pat Banal Tard (maybe)
    Judas Pringels Chips (another limey token)
    Duran Durdumb
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    FORD's votes: Pat Benatar, Judas Priest, MC5, Devo, New York Dolls
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    Dolly Parton is a goddamned legend, but she's not remotely rock n roll. Same for Dionne Warwick. Thank fuck it wasn't Whitney Houston.... she's not only not rock n roll, she's the antithesis of rock n roll. Her music was so bland it made Pat Boone look like punk rock by comparison.

    Lionel Richie??? For "BrickHouse" & "Easy Like Sunday Morning" maybe. NOT for anything he did after he left the Commodores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Her music was so bland it made Pat Boone look like punk rock by comparison.
    Scary that Boone's In a 'Metal Mood: No More Mr. Nice Guy' is now 25 years old so he is now eligible under that persona...

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    Horse Hockey. Whitney Houston did more cocaine than Rick James, Stevie Nicks and the Eagles combined. She used to stop her shows in mid-song because she was hallucinating seeing "bugs" on stage. Now, that's rock 'n' roll.

    Oh, and Russell Wilson is coming to Denvoid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Horse Hockey. Whitney Houston did more cocaine than Rick James, Stevie Nicks and the Eagles combined. She used to stop her shows in mid-song because she was hallucinating seeing "bugs" on stage. Now, that's rock 'n' roll.

    I agree about the coke but thats about it..Doobies/Benatar/Priest/Motorhead/Lizzy....Thats RNR...Id vote for T Rex also
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    There was some F A T bald fuck who was either a Rogan or Stern sycophant claiming he dropped so much acid that he had a "spiritual awakening" by listening to the guitar playing of Neil Giraldo (and David Gilmour) while tripping. Horsetooth Pat herself didn't do bad songs - they certainly were less irritating when she left MTV behind her and moved on to non-commercial shores. Problem was she was little dynamic range in her voice and Neil's bombastic soloing covered up for it. Best song she ever did was Painted Desert. Neil's guitar playing shines here.


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    The same people that nominated Whitney Houston would have already nominated Boone for his white bread cover versions of songs from the 1950s....


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    I bet Ted dropped out because The Hall of Fame would not supply him with a 14 year-old girl

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    Obama was merely a moderate Republican. He said so himself....



    The guy who illegally occupied the White House before him was the chimpanzee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Obama was merely a moderate Republican. He said so himself....



    The guy who illegally occupied the White House before him was the chimpanzee.
    I call it the establishment. There really wasn’t much difference between the Bush clan, the Clinton’s and the Obama’s. It’s all about selling out to the multinational corporations or more accurately the biggest share holders. You have a cast of carefully picked characters that tell people what they want to hear but then do what their owners want which simply is more for them and less for us. If your politicians are getting very rich while in office they aren’t serving you.

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    The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has officially announced this year’s inductees: Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, and Carly Simon will join the class of 2022 in the Performers category.

    Additionally, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and Judas Priest will receive the Musical Excellence Award; Harry Belafonte and Elizabeth Cotten will be given the Early Influence Award; and attorney Allen Grubman, record executive/producer Jimmy Iovine, and R&B singer/Sugar Hill Records founder Sylvia Robinson will be presented with the Ahmet Ertegun Award.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...-2022-1346913/

    The New Waver in me is pleased to see Duran Duran get in. The original Fab Five and Warren Cuccurullo. Meh to Parton and Ritchie. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis is probably the closest The Time will get.

    Kind of shitty that Priest gets the musical excellence award. Kind of an "almost good enough" thing.

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    The real rock and roll hall of fame is do you have any fans? Filling seats is where it’s at.

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    Anyways we seem to have a low IQ public who’s easily duped so things aren’t going to change. They might finally manage to piss off enough people where you get a revolution but good luck getting that from an obese population addicted to distractions.

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    I think the weirdest Ted story I heard was from Eddie Kramer the famous sound engineer. Ted stripped butt naked in the recording studio thinking his music would be more pure if he did. I’ve always maintained the loose and unscrewed types who never could keep a regular job find their way into rock and roll. The ones with the right gimmicks and talent manage to draw an audience. The real shrewd ones stay around for decades and die rich. Like I said. Crazy like a fox.

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    You know Sam is the female in the relationship. I’m amazed Sam can sit down and drive a car.

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    It’s about entertainment and sure the music is an important element but it’s not the whole recipe. It’s the overall presentation and the bands and entertainers who are good at producing the whole package well and bringing it are the ones who have lot’s of success and stick around.

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    Also only so much will go through a PA system. Players that really process their sound through a bunch of effects only a fraction of that is going to come out the PA speakers. So a basic decent tone is what you want live. People fuck with their sound too much. Usually huge gear-heads are not the best players. They are into gear more than playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Also only so much will go through a PA system. Players that really process their sound through a bunch of effects only a fraction of that is going to come out the PA speakers. So a basic decent tone is what you want live. People fuck with their sound too much. Usually huge gear-heads are not the best players. They are into gear more than playing.
    I will say that in terms of gear re: pedals/effects, I'd have to agree. I've only ever owned stomp box pedals because I never reached the point with any of the amateur bands I was playing with decades ago where I needed rack mounted gear - and in the 1980s/early 1990s that gear was a bit more than I could afford in terms of needing it - but I've always noticed at louder volumes the effects are less...effective, for lack of a better word. The nuance they bring gets lessened at louder volumes. You can sort of over-process the sound of the instrument through too much gear to the point where it comes out sounding like mush. Really, the only effect box I used that wasn't dampened at louder volumes was a delay pedal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I will say that in terms of gear re: pedals/effects, I'd have to agree. I've only ever owned stomp box pedals because I never reached the point with any of the amateur bands I was playing with decades ago where I needed rack mounted gear - and in the 1980s/early 1990s that gear was a bit more than I could afford in terms of needing it - but I've always noticed at louder volumes the effects are less...effective, for lack of a better word. The nuance they bring gets lessened at louder volumes. You can sort of over-process the sound of the instrument through too much gear to the point where it comes out sounding like mush. Really, the only effect box I used that wasn't dampened at louder volumes was a delay pedal.
    If the amp is the base of your sound go with less effects but some people use effects as a preamp. Prince did this and got a good sound. I think for fly out gigs small multiple effects boxes or small pedal boards are the go to thing but a lot of players still like a real amp.

    For basic rock you just don’t want to over process the sound because it’s counter productive. If you are going for an over processed sound on purpose that’s a different story.

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    There's a reason those Quiet Riot albums still haven't been released officially. Randy sounds great, but that's the only thing good about them. DuBrow was a horrible songwriter. He made Hagar look like Shakespeare by comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    There's a reason those Quiet Riot albums still haven't been released officially. Randy sounds great, but that's the only thing good about them. DuBrow was a horrible songwriter. He made Hagar look like Shakespeare by comparison.
    It's no coincidence that their big hit was a cover and then they tried to repeat the trick with "Mama Weer All Crazee Now"

    A couple of times over the years I've thought I must go back and listen to early RR stuff but you are right the songs are so meh it's hard to get too interested. Also I do think his playing took a jump between QR and Blizzard of Oz and then again between BOZ and Diary of a Madman - he was getting better and better which makes his death a real 'what if'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    It's no coincidence that their big hit was a cover and then they tried to repeat the trick with "Mama Weer All Crazee Now"

    A couple of times over the years I've thought I must go back and listen to early RR stuff but you are right the songs are so meh it's hard to get too interested. Also I do think his playing took a jump between QR and Blizzard of Oz and then again between BOZ and Diary of a Madman - he was getting better and better which makes his death a real 'what if'.
    It seems that working with Bob Daisley did a lot for Randy's songwriting which is why the songs are so much better on the Ozzy records. As far as his playing, Randy knew he was good, but he wanted to be better. If I remember correctly, he was still taking lessons while working with Ozzy, though I can't imagine what a guitar teacher could have taught him by that point. Classical stuff, probably... since he seemed to be moving in that direction.

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