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    Ron DeSantis Officially Launches Bid to Turn Entire Nation Into Florida

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    Ron DeSantis Makes 2024 Presidential Campaign Official
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    Ron DeSantis is officially running for president.

    The Florida governor filed paperwork with the Federal Election Commission to run for president on Wednesday afternoon, setting the stage for an ugly showdown between Donald Trump and the 44-year-old culture warrior who wants to replace him as the GOP’s figurehead. DeSantis is expected to announce his candidacy publicly Wednesday night during an interview with Twitter owner Elon Musk.

    DeSantis has effectively been running for president for months. He stumped for swing-state Republicans ahead of the 2020 midterm elections, has been courting big-money donors and congressional endorsements, and even went on an international tour last month. A few weeks later, he held a rally in Iowa, the site of the first primary caucus, where he lamented the GOP’s “culture of losing” — an indirect shot at Trump’s 2020 loss to President Biden.

    Trump clearly sees DeSantis as the biggest threat to his hold on the party, and has been attacking the governor for almost as long as he’s been campaigning. Trump regularly bashes “Ron DeSanctimonious” on Truth Social, accusing him of everything from supporting cutting Medicare and Social Security to pedophilia while claiming that Florida was already a conservative stronghold before DeSantis became governor in 2019. It’s since become a fetid swamp for far-right ideology, so much so that the NAACP recently issued a travel advisory warning that the state is “openly hostile toward African Americans.”

    DeSantis has taken advantage of a Republican-controlled legislature to turn Florida into a test kitchen for turning culture war hysteria into policy. He’s been decidedly anti-science since the pandemic began, cracking down on public institutions’ ability to impose preventative measures and appointing an anti-vax surgeon general. He’s banned books in schools and cracked down on diversity studies. He’s outlawed gender-affirming care for minors. He signed a restrictive six-week abortion ban. Perhaps most notably, he signed “Don’t Say Gay” legislation that now prohibits discussion of gender and sexual identity through 12th grade. Disney, the state’s largest taxpayer, objected to the bill, leading DeSantis to do everything in his power to punish the company, which he has alleged is “woke.” Disney has fought back, and last week canceled a $1 billion building project that would have brought 2,000 jobs to Florida. The company cited “changing business conditions” in the state.
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    Trump and other candidates have mocked DeSantis for the Disney debacle, which many view as one of several signs he’s not ready for a high-profile presidential run. He’s been widely criticized for his robotic personality, which doesn’t lend itself to the kind of retail politics required of a presidential campaign. He’s been visibly frustrated with the media, especially when asked about Trump, and many worry that he and his operation don’t have what it takes to tangle with the former president. Rolling Stone reported last month Trump’s team had been mocking DeSantis’ team as a bunch of “amateurs” after Trump orchestrated a roll-out of Florida congressional endorsements while DeSantis was in Washington trying to woo Congress. Rolling Stone also spoke with several Republican operatives supporting candidates other than Trump or DeSantis who believe DeSantis is a “paper tiger,” and vulnerable even as a second choice. “No one is afraid of him,” said one GOP mega donor.

    DeSantis is also, of course, trying to unseat someone who has wielded control of the GOP for years. Trump has been relentlessly reminding followers of his grip on the party. “I’m blowing away DeSanctimonious in the Polls, and am leading Biden & Harris BIG, whereas DeSanctus is losing to BOTH,” he wrote on Monday. “I have gotten more people Elected than any other human being. Yet I have to listen to these liddle’ lightweights like “Ron” say I can’t win. Like the Dems, it’s just DISINFORMATION. The TRUTH is, they can’t win!!!”


    Trump is right that he’s well ahead of DeSantis in preliminary polls, with most of them showing the former president with a sizable double-digit lead. He’s also right that he’s gotten plenty of MAGA Republicans elected — including DeSantis, whose 2018 gubernatorial campaign was fledgling before Trump endorsed him. Trump regularly reminds people about this, accusing DeSantis of disloyalty for daring to run against him. “There were tears coming down from his eyes,” Trump claimed to Hugh Hewitt about how DeSantis “begged” for his support.

    Regardless of how well Trump appears to be doing against DeSantis, the former president is currently facing a slew of investigations, and although the probes don’t seem to have hurt his polling, there’s still plenty of time for the narrative to change. DeSantis insists that it’s time for the party to move on from Trump and that he’s the only Republican who has a chance to beat Biden. The problem for him and for the rest of the Republican field, however, is that they’ve largely shied away from attacking the man they need to defeat. DeSantis, for example, has pitched himself as the cure to the GOP’s “culture of losing,” but is too scared of alienating MAGA conservatives to actually admit that Trump lost the 2020 election.
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    DeSantis did win his last race by a quite hefty margin, although it should be noted his opponent, Charlie Crist, (who I admittedly voted for) was a bit past his sell by date; not to say a different opponent would have necessarily vanquished DeSantis, but Crist was at one time a republican who became an independent and then switched to the democratic party. Translation = DeSantis stands for something vs. Crist who flops between parties depending on whichever one is prevailing at the time.

    Who knows what's going to happen with Trump in the next 18 months? Even if convicted of a felony, he can still run and get elected.

    It isn't as if the idea of a DeSantis candidacy has been setting the political scene on fire thus far.

    Who knows? If 2024 in the GOP primary field turns out to be another clown car a la 2016, Trump could eke out a plurality again. However, even if all the other no-chancer hopefuls in the race (Pence, Haley, Pompeo, etc.) got out now and coalesced around DeSantis or another single opposition candidate to Trump that might not be enough to deny Trump the nomination. And the 2024 election will be referendum on Biden's presidency as much as it will on Trump's term in office...who knows where the fuck the country will be 18 months from now on the economy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    DeSantis did win his last race by a quite hefty margin, although it should be noted his opponent, Charlie Crist, (who I admittedly voted for) was a bit past his sell by date; not to say a different opponent would have necessarily vanquished DeSantis, but Crist was at one time a republican who became an independent and then switched to the democratic party. Translation = DeSantis stands for something vs. Crist who flops between parties depending on whichever one is prevailing at the time.

    Who knows what's going to happen with Trump in the next 18 months? Even if convicted of a felony, he can still run and get elected.

    It isn't as if the idea of a DeSantis candidacy has been setting the political scene on fire thus far.

    Who knows? If 2024 in the GOP primary field turns out to be another clown car a la 2016, Trump could eke out a plurality again. However, even if all the other no-chancer hopefuls in the race (Pence, Haley, Pompeo, etc.) got out now and coalesced around DeSantis or another single opposition candidate to Trump that might not be enough to deny Trump the nomination. And the 2024 election will be referendum on Biden's presidency as much as it will on Trump's term in office...who knows where the fuck the country will be 18 months from now on the economy?
    Ha! Nobody is going to jail and that is why nothing changes. Everything is rigged to where there is no accountability.
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    He for SURE has my vote.

    America is about 6 years behind on being totalitarian/fascist police state. Only the Ronny Boy can make it come true.
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    WHat specifically is your issue with Desantis?

    Let's talk about them one by one. I am not on board with everything he has enacted by any means, but in comparison to other states, I can't say he has been horrible.

    There are far worse states who have decimated their states by horrid policy decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    WHat specifically is your issue with Desantis?
    If you're asking NickDumbocrat, it's because Desantis isn't a bleeding heart Libtard. Simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    If you're asking NickDumbocrat, it's because Desantis isn't a bleeding heart Libtard. Simple as that.
    Or he's a pandering, hypocritical socialist cunt attacking big business (Disney) and hurting his state, but is also Trump's biotch and lets Donald shit all over him with nary a whimper. He's a lying cocksucker that says anything to get elected and makes statements that completely contradict his votes as a Senator. He has absolutely no charisma but a massive ego, and has managed to have one of the highest Covid death rates despite Florida being pretty isolated form it and enjoying hot weather. But other than that he's a great candidate that suburban women would support in a gen election (LOL) after it becomes generally known he's forced women to severally endanger their health by preventing them from having an abortion of a fetus that threatens the host....

    Nice announcement, asshole LOL:

    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis announced his 2024 presidential campaign to screeching audio feedback and technical difficulties in a Twitter Space with Elon Musk on Wednesday.

    DeSantis eventually did launch his campaign, but the event was mired with problems from the very beginning — and DeSantis didn’t manage to use the initial Space hosted by Musk. When moderator David Sacks, a venture capitalist and former PayPal product lead, first unmuted himself to start the talk, the Space was filled with loud, echoing feedback sounds before quickly going silent. The accounts of DeSantis and Sacks popped in and out of the initial room, muting and unmuting themselves before leaving entirely.

    As of publication, it’s not entirely clear what went wrong, but Musk (one of the only people to actually speak in the first Space) chalked the problems up to overloaded servers. More than 600,000 users were tuned in a few minutes before the Musk-hosted room ended. For comparison, more than 12 million people showed up to Travis Scott’s Fortnite concert in 2020.
    https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/24/2...k-announcement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Or he's a pandering, hypocritical socialist cunt attacking big business
    Nickdlunatic. Do you love big business, or do you hate big business? One minute you're crying about big business, the next you're defending it. Typical Dumbocrat. Can't make up his mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Nickdlunatic. Do you love big business, or do you hate big business? One minute you're crying about big business, the next you're defending it. Typical Dumbocrat. Can't make up his mind.
    I don't love or hate big business, but I have some hot fucking stocks and 401K's in several. so, what in fuck does it matter? Many "big businesses" are run by people that basically vote the way I do. Republicans have a lot of problems with many of them, like Trump attacking Amazon. Or the whole META thing. YOU"RE THE HYPOCRITE! Not me, man...

    But feel free to quote me "crying about big business" and we'll go line by line!

    Geroge fucking Soros anyone? He's a self-made billionaire, but Jesus fuck is he the devil to many Republcians....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    If you're asking NickDumbocrat, it's because Desantis isn't a bleeding heart Libtard. Simple as that.
    LOL Maybe Von desanctimonious can tell us what he loves so much about him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    If you're asking NickDumbocrat, it's because Desantis isn't a bleeding heart Libtard. Simple as that.
    How does Nickd support these current Democratic party policies. Seriously, its embarassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    How does Nickd support these current Democratic party policies. Seriously, its embarrassing.
    Which policies? Let's be specific....

    I guarantee whatever I support the vast majority of polls show the American (and Canadian) people support it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Which policies? Let's be specific....

    I guarantee whatever I support the vast majority of polls show the American (and Canadian) people support it...
    Let's start here. Can you really tell me any Democratic state following this direction has had an iota of improvement in people's lives? Its horrific

    https://democrats.org/where-we-stand...ustice-system/

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    This one is also pretty funny...I think 80% of Americans support needing Voter ID, and yet, the Dems have a very different view.

    https://democrats.org/where-we-stand...our-democracy/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    Let's talk about them one by one.
    Ramaswamy has no chance. It's Kucinich all over again...there are sections of the country that won't vote for him simply because his name sounds funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Ramaswamy has no chance. It's Kucinich all over again...there are sections of the country that won't vote for him simply because his name sounds funny.
    I remember thinking that it was absolutely fucking impossible that someone called Barack Hussein Obama could be elected...
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    DeSantis has far more policy positions that align with the political center of the nation than any other GOP candidate... he's next generation, willing to fight with common sense position on a wide range of issues and has strong leadership skills. I don't see any other candidate that comes close to appealing to the core of the nation on either side compared to DeSantis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    DeSantis has far more policy positions that align with the political center of the nation than any other GOP candidate... he's next generation, willing to fight with common sense position on a wide range of issues and has strong leadership skills. I don't see any other candidate that comes close to appealing to the core of the nation on either side compared to DeSantis.
    You have the die hard partisans who will vote their favorite color no matter what. Presidential elections are decided by the people who aren’t partisan. Usually the pendulum swings back and forth because the party that did have the presidency gets tarred with the problems.

    Political ping pong. Yawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    DeSantis has far more policy positions that align with the political center of the nation than any other GOP candidate... he's next generation, willing to fight with common sense position on a wide range of issues and has strong leadership skills. I don't see any other candidate that comes close to appealing to the core of the nation on either side compared to DeSantis.
    Here is a listing of where DeSantis stands on the issues....

    https://www.isidewith.com/candidates...tis-2/policies

    Most of what I see here.... and what he has been shown doing in national news coverage... is hard right fascist bullshit, not policies "that align with the political center of the nation"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Here is a listing of where DeSantis stands on the issues....

    https://www.isidewith.com/candidates...tis-2/policies

    Most of what I see here.... and what he has been shown doing in national news coverage... is hard right fascist bullshit, not policies "that align with the political center of the nation"
    You didn't spend much time reading the analysis on that site you linked. In the Policies tab every answer highlighted with a blue circle represents a left leaning response and the red a right leaning response. Blue outnumbers Red by a significant margin. I figured the simple color scheme would be easy for you numbskulls to understand.

    Go look at the data analysis/rankings in the Ratings and Themes tabs. In the Themes analysis DeSantis scored more Left leaning and neutral than Right leaning in most categories.

    Your example fully supports my opinion of DeSantis being more of a centrist than a hard core right wing radical.

    Thank you for proving my point... You and NickD can go have a Bud Light on me
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    You didn't spend much time reading the analysis on that site you linked. In the Policies tab every answer highlighted with a blue circle represents a left leaning response and the red a right leaning response. Blue outnumbers Red by a significant margin. I figured the simple color scheme would be easy for you numbskulls to understand.
    While your explanation of the blue circles & red circles should logically correspond to the current symbolism of those colors in US poltics (Blue= D /Red = R) this doesn't hold up with DeSantis's answers. For example, to the question Should employers be required to pay men and women the same salary for the same job? Meatball Ron answered "No", but there's a blue circle around it. Obviously this is NOT a "left-leaning" response to the question. I'm guessing in 2023 that even the majority of Republican voters would support equal pay for equal work. So clearly DeSantis is way off in MAGAtt fringe land here, despite whatever coding error on that website caused that response to have a "blue circle". It's not the only such error on the page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    While your explanation of the blue circles & red circles should logically correspond to the current symbolism of those colors in US poltics (Blue= D /Red = R) this doesn't hold up with DeSantis's answers. For example, to the question Should employers be required to pay men and women the same salary for the same job? Meatball Ron answered "No", but there's a blue circle around it. Obviously this is NOT a "left-leaning" response to the question. I'm guessing in 2023 that even the majority of Republican voters would support equal pay for equal work. So clearly DeSantis is way off in MAGAtt fringe land here, despite whatever coding error on that website caused that response to have a "blue circle". It's not the only such error on the page.
    I have no idea the criteria applied to that analysis to determine blue -vs- red (left -vs- right). In my opinion, equal pay between the binary biological genders is universally supported by most people regardless of political affiliation. Neither party opposes pay equality that I've observed.

    The pay question is over simplified as presented which would lead to me answering "No" without further clarification. For example... 2 people with similar experience of opposite biological genders hired the same time, for the same position deserve the same/equal starting salary. Two years later... those same parties and one is a high performer and the other a lower performer. In a merit based system, which most companies operate your high performer deserves a higher rate of pay than your low performer regardless of which gender they were born with. Its about performance not who has a penis or a vagina.

    "No" would be a correct answer in my real world example... Republican or Democrat... right or left... doesn't factor into the equation at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    DeSantis has far more policy positions that align with the political center of the nation than any other GOP candidate... he's next generation, willing to fight with common sense position on a wide range of issues and has strong leadership skills. I don't see any other candidate that comes close to appealing to the core of the nation on either side compared to DeSantis.
    Have you watched this?

    Maybe he is the best of a bad bunch for some people but...



    This culture wars woke shit is such a con on both sides. It's all irrelevant to 99% of people. Any time it comes up your first question should be 'How does this make any difference to my life?' and it never actually does, The fact is it really doesn't matter a flying fuck whether some college doesn't have it's shit together yet about some trans coming second in a swimming event is really not a reason to base your presidential vote on. Particularly since they have no power over it anyway. It's all about trying to distract you from the flow of money and real power - which actually sounds like something Nitro might post.

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    Let the Donny and Ronnie show begin.

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    His launch on Twitter was cringe comedy. The last episode of Succession is coming in a few days but at least we have this to replace it.

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    But teh very people they claim to be helping also support voter ID! Close to 70%!! This shouldn't even be a conversation it is so ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    But teh very people they claim to be helping also support voter ID! Close to 70%!! This shouldn't even be a conversation it is so ridiculous.
    I have to show my ID every time I vote. I give the poll worker my ID, they look me up in the register. I get a ballot. No big deal.

    You have to prove you are a real person, the actual person and you have been approved by the county to vote. I can’t keep going to different polls voting multiple times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I have to show my ID every time I vote. I give the poll worker my ID, they look me up in the register. I get a ballot. No big deal.

    You have to prove you are a real person, the actual person and you have been approved by the county to vote. I can’t keep going to different polls voting multiple times.
    Of course! All but a small radical minority disagree. This is a non issue. This shoudl be a blanket requirement for all states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    Of course! All but a small radical minority disagree. This is a non issue. This shoudl be a blanket requirement for all states.
    If you don’t want the system secure it means you want to commit fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    If you don’t want the system secure it means you want to commit fraud.
    It would be more secure if you had to present a passport to vote. Are you for that or are you for fraud?

    I expect better arguments than this from you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I have to show my ID every time I vote. I give the poll worker my ID, they look me up in the register. I get a ballot. No big deal.

    You have to prove you are a real person, the actual person and you have been approved by the county to vote. I can’t keep going to different polls voting multiple times.
    Same here. Present an ID, they look it up in the hard copy, and sign. We may be able to present a utility bill and make a provisional vote, I don't remember.

    There are people who don't want to be "tracked," so they don't get driver's licenses or state ID, or vote. We are asked when we renew our licenses if we're a registered voter, and if not, you're able to sign up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Same here. Present an ID, they look it up in the hard copy, and sign. We may be able to present a utility bill and make a provisional vote, I don't remember.

    There are people who don't want to be "tracked," so they don't get driver's licenses or state ID, or vote. We are asked when we renew our licenses if we're a registered voter, and if not, you're able to sign up.
    Again, ID's should be provided for free by local or state governments bending over backwards to insure senior citizens are represented and don't have to tripe through bureaucratic bullshit. Voters are already fucking registered and I have to sign a book every time I vote as an affidavit. It's a bullshit trope. It's like saying we need to enact laws against succubus's raping our assholes with dildos in the middle of the night. Sure, maybe that's a thing but really it isn't a public safety issue and has almost nothing to do with most peoples reality...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Again, ID's should be provided for free by local or state governments bending over backwards to insure senior citizens are represented and don't have to tripe through bureaucratic bullshit.
    See this has made me angry too because the UK conservatives saw the gerrymandering possibilities of voter ID from the US but there was push back from our strange upper house (unelected senate) which weirdly obviously shouldn't exist but sometimes does the right thing, and so they added provisions like that, So now a big expensive 'big government' waste of taxpayers money is being set up costing literally hundreds of millions to solve a non existent issue invented to try and gerrymander some votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    But teh very people they claim to be helping also support voter ID! Close to 70%!! This shouldn't even be a conversation it is so ridiculous.
    Your "gotcha" point is what is ridiculous. But under what circumstance to "70%" believe in Voter ID? That we make sure that every citizen gets a free ID delivered to their door? Okay, sign me up! But these laws are actually used as a Poll-tax designed to disenfranchise older minority voters that tend to vote for Democrats by putting hurtles in front on them for what is a basic civic right! Why the fuck do YOU care so much? What is so IMPORTANT regarding this issue that has no effect on anyone?

    There are almost ZERO issues regarding voter fraud in the United States, and even confirmed ones have had almost no affect on the outcome of elections...

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