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    Powder Keg Israel!

    Fucking terrible. I hate having much sympathy for Israel but these Hamas cunts are just bestial!
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    So now 'MURICA will send them loads of weapons and tactical support and unlike Ukraine, not one fucking Republican will bitch about this. As for Israel, expect a all-out killing spree on every Humas whose lungs are still drawing in air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    So now 'MURICA will send them loads of weapons and tactical support and unlike Ukraine, not one fucking Republican will bitch about this. As for Israel, expect a all-out killing spree on every Humas whose lungs are still drawing in air.
    I agree with the GOP-hypocrisy point (along with the fact that the US is finally supporting a competent even superior ally that is doing all the dying and asking for only ammo as opposed to Vietnam/Afghanistan/Iraq where we did a lot of the dying supporting corrupt cowards that often ran away)...


    But, where have you been? Israel is sending US weapons now! Albeit we're paying for it...

    Anyway you slice it for the average Israeli fighter/reservist, Netanyahu's regime should be burned down for what is really a massive intelligence failure, possibly even a LIHOP one...

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    The "lame stream libtard media" is saying this attack comes on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War. This was more than an intelligence failure, it was pure laziness on Israel part. A attack such as this (where Humans took over a Israel military base completely) which had to have been planned for months if not year(s) and not one person in Mossad seem to not have bothered to pay a shred of attention to it. Either that, or Humas did not like Ben Shapiro's review of Barbie.

    One of the two.

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    Or Nut-and-Yahoo knew something was happening and "Let It Happen On Purpose" to deflect the vast disaffection of his regime by Israeli centrists and leftists that are in the military under conscription, but the most right wing segment of Israeli Jewish society's Orthodox members don't have to serve in the military...

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    Hamas surprise attack out of Gaza stuns Israel and leaves hundreds dead in fighting, retaliation
    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stated Israel is now at “war” with militant group Hamas after a massive show of force that caught Israel off-guard on a major holiday. (Oct. 7)

    BY JOSEF FEDERMAN AND ISSAM ADWAN
    Updated 4:59 PM EDT, October 7, 2023
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    JERUSALEM (AP) — Backed by a barrage of rockets, dozens of Hamas militants broke out of the blockaded Gaza Strip and into nearby Israeli towns, killing dozens and abducting others in an unprecedented surprise early morning attack during a major Jewish holiday Saturday. A stunned Israel launched airstrikes in Gaza, with its prime minister saying the country is now at war with Hamas and vowing to inflict an “unprecedented price.”

    In an assault of startling breadth, Hamas gunmen rolled into as many as 22 locations outside the Gaza Strip, including towns and other communities as far as 15 miles (24 kilometers) from the Gaza border. In some places, they roamed for hours, gunning down civilians and soldiers as Israel’s military scrambled to muster a response. Gunbattles continued well after nightfall, and militants held hostages in standoffs in two towns and occupied a police station in a third.

    Israeli media, citing rescue service officials, said at least 250 people were killed and 1,500 wounded, making it the deadliest attack in Israel in decades. At least 232 people in the Gaza Strip have been killed and at least 1,700 wounded in Israeli strikes, the Palestinian Health Ministry said. Hamas fighters took an unknown number of civilians and soldiers captive into Gaza, a deeply sensitive issue for Israel, in harrowing scenes posted on social media videos.

    The conflict threatened to escalate to an even deadlier stage with Israel’s vows of greater retaliation. Previous conflicts between Israel and Gaza’s Hamas rulers brought widespread death and destruction in Gaza and days of rocket fire on Israeli towns. The situation is potentially more volatile now, with Israel’s far-right government stung by the security breach and with Palestinians in despair over a never-ending occupation in the West Bank and suffocating blockade of Gaza.

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    The Israeli death toll is rising and is over 300. A grisly and horrific day by any standard...
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    Shit's been going on forever.

    Israel and Palestine have no real desire to settle their differences, make peace with one another, begin the process of going forward in a peaceful co-existence and - as best as they could - putting the past behind them.

    Just an endless series of conflicts and an endless series of accusations - "[Israel/Palestine] started it first! [The other country] is more to blame! [The other country] is engaged in terrorism" - and the only difference I can effectively see is that Palestine doesn't have as effective a political lobby here in the United Sates as Israel does.

    Sun rose in East? Check.

    Dog bit Man somewhere? Check.

    Israel and Palestine fighting? Check.

    I dunno...maybe take away Israel's nukes, wall both countries in and let 'em duke it out once and for all against each other, rather than letting them try to via proxy drag the rest of the world into their hatred?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    The Israeli death toll is rising and is over 300. A grisly and horrific day by any standard...
    Usually by the end the Israelis kill at least 10 times as many Palestinians.
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    From "The Times of Israel".... NuttyYahoo Propped Up Hamas For Years.

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    For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
    By Tal Schneider Today, 3:58 pm 85 Edit




    For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

    The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

    Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

    Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

    Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

    Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu leads a government conference at the Prime Minister’s Office in Jerusalem on September 27, 2023. (Chaim Goldberg/Flash90)

    Since Netanyahu returned to power in January 2023, the number of work permits has soared to nearly 20,000.

    Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza.

    Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip.

    Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.

    According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2018, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

    While Netanyahu does not make these kind of statements publicly or officially, his words are in line with the policy that he implemented.

    The same messaging was repeated by right-wing commentators, who may have received briefings on the matter or talked to Likud higher-ups and understood the message.

    Bolstered by this policy, Hamas grew stronger and stronger until Saturday, Israel’s “Pearl Harbor,” the bloodiest day in its history — when terrorists crossed the border, slaughtered hundreds of Israelis and kidnapped an unknown number under the cover of thousands of rockets fired at towns throughout the country’s south and center.

    The country has known attacks and wars, but never on such a scale in a single morning.

    One thing is clear: The concept of indirectly strengthening Hamas — while tolerating sporadic attacks and minor military operations every few years — went up in smoke Saturday.

    Just a few days ago, Assaf Pozilov, a reporter for the Kan public broadcaster, tweeted the following: “The Islamic Jihad organization has started a noisy exercise very close to the border, in which they practiced launching missiles, breaking into Israel and kidnapping soldiers.”

    The difference between Islamic Jihad and Hamas doesn’t matter much at this point. As far as the State of Israel is concerned, the territory is under the control of Hamas, and it is responsible for all the training and activities there.

    Hamas became stronger and used the auspices of peace that Israelis so longed for as cover for its training, and hundreds of Israelis have paid with their lives for this massive omission.

    The terror inflicted on the civilian population in Israel is so enormous that the wounds from it will not heal for years, a challenge compounded by the dozens abducted into Gaza.

    Judging by the way Netanyahu has managed Gaza in the last 13 years, it is not certain that there will be a clear policy going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Usually by the end the Israelis kill at least 10 times as many Palestinians.
    That may be true, but there is some very horrifying and graphic footage coming out of this. Apparently, there was a very bad music festival going on the border near Gaza (the kind Kristy would love), It's where the footage of women being kidnapped and probably abused are from. In any case Hamas cunts just hosed down and murdered people wholesale in their tents. There's also lots of grisly pics of old people that were summarily executed, and random cars being shot up In the end this is one of the fucking dumbest things Hamas could have done and will alienate any Western left sympathy. I think they also will eventually end the regime of their great Israeli benefactor and counterpoint in Nut-&-Yahoo, because once things are settled, a large part of the IDF is coming after him for allowing this...

    But as usual, the little people and innocents will die the most on both sides....

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    I saw something that there was a soccer game going on in Tehran where Palestinian flags were hoisted and most of the crowd told them to "shove those up your ass!" Some of the flag holders were beaten and even many Iranians are expressing sympathy for Israel online...

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    From watching this alone Israel was more than asleep at the switch


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    Still on a plus point I'm sure the hostages will appreciate that every cloud has a silver lining...

    Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel explained on Fox News Saturday how GOP presidential candidates could respond to Hamas militants’ unprecedented, surprise attack on Israel.

    “I think this is a great opportunity for our candidates to contrast where Republicans have stood with Israel ― time and time again ― and Joe Biden has been weak,” McDaniel said.

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    Nutjob says Barry did it.....


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    Lil' Marco says "Kill Em All"


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    Fuck Hamas AND Fuck NuttyYahoo. both are goddamned terrorists


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Still on a plus point I'm sure the hostages will appreciate that every cloud has a silver lining...
    Or they stood with the Israeli (Netanyahu) gov't that allowed this to happen in one of the greatest intelligence failures of the 21st century...

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    This is a complicated situation obviously and I'm no expert - horrible shit done by both sides as usual but a new low from Hamas which also seems dumb as it is a suicide mission that also massively loses you PR?

    Just some stuff to think about.

    The Israeli government is really extreme at the moment and basically running an apartheid regime.
    The Israeli government in the past have released over a 1000 prisoners to get one Israeli soldier back.
    Over 2 million people live squashed up in Gaza with nowhere to go. Israel has cut off their electricity and water which I think is illegal?
    Trump and others supporting extreme Israeli government has taken away any support from moderate Palestinian voices and made it easy for the Hamas terrorists to take control.
    Proportionally in terms of population the murders done by Hamas are way worse to Israel than 9-11, the equivalent of 10 times as many victims.
    Trump and Putin have both lied saying that Hamas are coming over the Mexican border and Ukraine gave Hamas weapons - both blatant self serving evil shit to say.

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    It's hard to discuss anything after seeing any of the vilolence from the horrific Terrorist attacks...and they are that. Not "militants".

    I think it's almost impossible to think that a terror org...yes, that is what Hamas is. funded consistently by Iran can have anything but this result and a never ceasing result. How can we be the least bit surprised? They sponsor state terrorism...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Or they stood with the Israeli (Netanyahu) gov't that allowed this to happen in one of the greatest intelligence failures of the 21st century...
    Certain groups in Israel would want such an attack because it gives them a reason to wipe out the Palestinians. The Temple Institute wants to get going on the temple. Some people are still living in Old Testament times. Take the holy land and kill who’s not chosen and build a temple.

    We had the perfect opportunity to overthrow the Iranian government when they were having protests a few years ago but the powers that be wanted to fund terrorism by giving Iran billions of dollars and leaving weapons and equipment in Afghanistan to be used. We could have orchestrated a coup in Iran by backing the opposition. Oh well. Who buys otero politicians likes war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Shit's been going on forever.

    Israel and Palestine have no real desire to settle their differences, make peace with one another, begin the process of going forward in a peaceful co-existence and - as best as they could - putting the past behind them.

    Just an endless series of conflicts and an endless series of accusations - "[Israel/Palestine] started it first! [The other country] is more to blame! [The other country] is engaged in terrorism" - and the only difference I can effectively see is that Palestine doesn't have as effective a political lobby here in the United Sates as Israel does.

    Sun rose in East? Check.

    Dog bit Man somewhere? Check.

    Israel and Palestine fighting? Check.

    I dunno...maybe take away Israel's nukes, wall both countries in and let 'em duke it out once and for all against each other, rather than letting them try to via proxy drag the rest of the world into their hatred?
    The only reason there is still an Israel is we fund it. Not that the people there haven’t done amazing things and beat the odds. There’s more PHD’s in Israel per capita than anywhere else. But you’ve had outsiders moving in and taking over Palestinian land. The Jews are more sophisticated and better educated. Anything modern in Israel is because of them. The Palestinians are less sophisticated but they also have been screwed.

    Let’s be honest. Certain people want to wipe out the Palestinians. There is no oil in Israel. You have some nice beaches and some agricultural areas in certain parts. There’s really not much there but it’s the Holy Land to the Abrahamic religions. It’s all about religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    It's hard to discuss anything after seeing any of the vilolence from the horrific Terrorist attacks..
    I agree to an extent, but there is also a lot of violence you don't see as well. I agree the Hamas outrages are horrific and they need to be wiped out or at least decimated into stupid bands that they were before the Israeli gov't actually built them up..

    .and they are that. Not "militants".
    Actually they are "militants" Being a militant does not preclude one from being a "terrorist" Just like being an "army" doesn't preclude one from being a state-terrorist...

    I think it's almost impossible to think that a terror org...yes, that is what Hamas is. funded consistently by Iran can have anything but this result and a never ceasing result. How can we be the least bit surprised? They sponsor state terrorism...
    Apparently the Israelis WERE surprised and badly. Yes Iran funds them, but it's not that simple nor cut-and-dry. Most Palestinians are Sunni whereas Iran is Shia and Iranian forces like the RG have gone to great lengths to murder large swaths of Syrian Sunnis and both of the Islam schism sects hate each other. There are also times Israel has been a duplicitous actor and have contravened US and Western interests in the Middle East. For instance, Israel probably knew about the bombing in the US Marine and French Foreign Legion barracks in Beirut and cooperated with Iran, Syria, and even Christian (nominally pro-Western) militias to allow it to happen in 1983. Because in the end, just like the Iranians and Syrians they didn't want US and Western prying eyes around while they massacred Palestinians in Lebanon. Hamas was largely built by Israel as a means to "divide-and-conquer" what was the PLO into factions to make it easier to keep them at bay and, of course, not really come to any sort of long term settlement so they can pen them into Gaza and the West Bank. The Middle East is a cesspool of double-dealing and the Israelis are not innocent of any of it...

    Israeli Mossad and Shin Bet (intelligence and counterintelligence) are supposed to be everywhere and have sources in everything. They have conducted elaborate assassinations in Iran using remote controlled machine-guns and bombs and the like. But somehow they couldn't fucking figure out there was a massive coup de main attack coming from right next door. If I were an Israeli reserve Army officer, I would turn my guns on Hamas right now, then when it's over turn them on the highest level of the Israeli Nut-&-yahoo regime for being such repugnant cunts on so many levels. And I am pretty that is what is going to eventually happen...

    But hey bro, the Israeli gov't IS corrupt. Netanyahu is UNDER INVESTIGATION and maybe we shouldn't help them? No? Like the Ukraine? The Russian MOD cunts get to murder Ukrainians but not in Israel? Kay...
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    And for the Israel and the Palestinian/Iranian/Arab divide, I've always thought Shakespeare...

    "A pox on both your houses"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Certain groups in Israel would want such an attack because it gives them a reason to wipe out the Palestinians. The Temple Institute wants to get going on the temple. Some people are still living in Old Testament times. Take the holy land and kill who’s not chosen and build a temple.

    We had the perfect opportunity to overthrow the Iranian government when they were having protests a few years ago but the powers that be wanted to fund terrorism by giving Iran billions of dollars and leaving weapons and equipment in Afghanistan to be used. We could have orchestrated a coup in Iran by backing the opposition. Oh well. Who buys otero politicians likes war.
    It's a lot more than that. Large segments of the Israeli military and reservists hate Nut-&-yahoo because he is an authoritarian cunt and is like Trump, only he's smart and with a military background that gives him a sort of pseudo legitimacy. They resent not only his marginalization of the Israeli equivalent to the Supreme Court as he is under investigation and has been indicted as a corrupt hack pol, but the fact that a large part of his constituency of ultra-right wing Jewish Orthodox and Hasidics don't serve in the military and don't have too. They don't get drafted, just use the rest of the moderate society to inflame policies with their extreme rhetoric. So the segment of Israeli-cunts there that really get off on killing Palestinians are the ones that don't actually have to or do it. Most Israelis do not and want some sort of peace plan and not terminal war...

    Imagine as if in the US the religious right of fundamentalists drove US polices but didn't actually have to do any of the killing and dying and were exempted from the draft. How fucking well do you think that is going to go?

    So yes, Netanyahu may well have "LIHOP"'ed this to save his neck, but it won't...
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    I have an idea, how about Israel trade Netanyahu for all of their hostages? Yeah, no, such karma induced justices do not happen in their world...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    It's a lot more than that. Large segments of the Israeli military and reservists hate Nut-&-yahoo because he is an authoritarian cunt and is like Trump, only he's smart and with a military background that gives him a sort of pseudo legitimacy. They resent not only his marginalization of the Israeli equivalent to the Supreme Court as he is under investigation and has been indicted as a corrupt hack pol, but the fact that a large part of his constituency of ultra-right wing Jewish Orthodox and Hasidics don't serve in the military and don't have too. They don't get drafted, just use the rest of the moderate society to inflame policies with their extreme rhetoric. So the segment of Israeli-cunts there that really get off on killing Palestinians are the ones that don't actually have to or do it. Most Israelis do not and want some sort of peace plan and not terminal war...

    Imagine as if in the US the religious right of fundamentalists drove US polices but didn't actually have to do any of the killing and dying and were exempted from the draft. How fucking well do you think that is going to go?

    So yes, Netanyahu may well have "LIHOP"'ed this to save his neck, but it won't...
    There have been massive protests against the Israeli government so this attack being allowed could be motivated to take Netanyahu down. I mean Israel has some of the best border security and intelligence. The place wouldnt be here if it didnt.

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    I lived in Israel and yes most the people there just want to make a living and live life. The right wing Jews are a nasty bunch.

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    I am no particular fan of Trump, but curious, what part of this speech and plea to the world re. Iran is innaccurate or misguided? Seems like a solid path to pursue?

    https://x.com/dbongino/status/171215...0hVmJwYyUCzbEQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    I am no particular fan of Trump, but curious, what part of this speech and plea to the world re. Iran is innaccurate or misguided? Seems like a solid path to pursue?

    https://x.com/dbongino/status/171215...0hVmJwYyUCzbEQ
    I wouldn't fucking know, I don't watch Drumpf speeches. You know, the ones where he seems fucking senile?

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    OH Okay I watched a bit of it. The one Where Orange fucking asshole withdrew from the accords that actually now makes Iran for more likely to develop a nuclear bomb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    I am no particular fan of Trump, but curious, what part of this speech and plea to the world re. Iran is innaccurate or misguided? Seems like a solid path to pursue?

    https://x.com/dbongino/status/171215...0hVmJwYyUCzbEQ
    BTW please answer the question I asked. You basically said the Ukraine is corrupt and thereforee we should not give them AID. But the Israeli regime of Netanyahu is also charge with bribery, nepotism, and being overall a corrupt shill of a fucking Apartheid gov't. So why should we not support the Ukraine but support the Israelis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    BTW please answer the question I asked. You basically said the Ukraine is corrupt and thereforee we should not give them AID. But the Israeli regime of Netanyahu is also charge with bribery, nepotism, and being overall a corrupt shill of a fucking Apartheid gov't. So why should we not support the Ukraine but support the Israelis?
    Oh, its a nightmare on both fronts.

    I go back to the fact that in the case of Ukraine, the US went against the original agreement re NATO expansion, was actively involved in the current Ukranian regime's rise.

    And then the seemingly unending money with absolutely zero oversight, and nothing but war mongering rhetoric and zero talk of peace. Those are all red flags individually. Together very suspicious.

    Russia should have never invaded of course, but the West could have behaved better, and avoided war I think with a different approach. Its a big mess.

    I am not defending Russia, but I think we could have avoided war there. I like peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Delight View Post
    Oh, its a nightmare on both fronts.

    I go back to the fact that in the case of Ukraine, the US went against the original agreement re NATO expansion, was actively involved in the current Ukranian regime's rise.
    What a fucking LIE! LIAR LIAR Pants on fucking fire! The US and NATO agreed to DEFEND the Ukraine in any attack as collateral for the Ukraine giving up ALL of their thousands of nukes!

    The NATO Alliance has every legal right to send in ground forces and air assets. We don't need to because the Ukrainians are fucking great warriors!

    And then the seemingly unending money with absolutely zero oversight, and nothing but war mongering rhetoric and zero talk of peace. Those are all red flags individually. Together very suspicious.

    Russia should have never invaded of course, but the West could have behaved better, and avoided war I think with a different approach. Its a big mess.

    I am not defending Russia, but I think we could have avoided war there. I like peace.
    Again complete ignorance, there is in fact "oversight". I already posted that.

    YOU ARE DEFENDING RUSSIA and mirroring their talking points. You make Neville Chamberlain fucking blush and piss his panties with your pussy fucking enabling and rationalization. It's like saying your daughter got raped because "she dressed too sexy!" FFS

    BTW, please tell us how what you said Doesn't Apply to Israel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    What a fucking LIE! LIAR LIAR Pants on fucking fire! The US and NATO agreed to DEFEND the Ukraine in any attack as collateral for the Ukraine giving up ALL of their thousands of nukes!

    The NATO Alliance has every legal right to send in ground forces and air assets. We don't need to because the Ukrainians are fucking great warriors!

    The account below is likely a pretty accurate representation of what was expected re. NATO expansion and treaty and related discussions. If nothing else, it is pretty naive to think that you could literally have NATO next door (equivalent to Mexico or Canada for the US) and have no backlash, is insanity.

    http://opiniojuris.org/2022/03/11/wh...ment-promises/

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    Yeah, I know those bastards at NATO expanding! LOLz, You know Putin applied for Russian NATO membership, right? You know why he stopped it?

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    You know who is really GREAT at expanding NATO? PUTIN!!!!! Mission accomplished Vlad! you stupid soon to be dead cunt....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post

    Again complete ignorance, there is in fact "oversight". I already posted that.
    From July of 2023, after $113 Billion in the last year with little oversight, finally something was agreed upon.

    https://www.heritage.org/defense/com...ne-aid-the-way

    "Already, there are signs that trouble may be afoot. The Department of Defense’s inspector general reportedly found last year that criminals, volunteer fighters, and arms traffickers had stolen weapons intended for Ukrainian forces. The inspector general also recently found that U.S. service members lacked an accounting of U.S. equipment transiting Poland to Ukraine. And the DOD itself has revealed accounting errors that raise questions about its valuation of equipment going to Ukraine and amounts required to restock U.S. inventories."

    Look Nick. Just admit, there is not a small amount of misdirecting of funds. I already shared that the Ukranian people themsleves belive corruption is rampant and are worried themselves about the lack of oversight. That says alot when a country at war is worried about corruption. Ukraine's corruption is only trumped (you see what i did there) by Russia's. C'mon now, this is not looking good. AMerican taxpayers experiencing all kinds of pain deserve better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    You know who is really GREAT at expanding NATO? PUTIN!!!!! Mission accomplished Vlad! you stupid soon to be dead cunt....
    That's a great point

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