Anyone else in here a republican. I know some of you are, be honest. And FORD, please don't reply to this ok. Thanks
p.s. Wayne L, i'm pretty sure u are.
Anyone else in here a republican. I know some of you are, be honest. And FORD, please don't reply to this ok. Thanks
p.s. Wayne L, i'm pretty sure u are.
I'm a registered Republican and have been for years.
EAT US AND SMILE!!!!
I'm legally not able to register until January, but I consider myself a republican. And when I turn 18, I will join the vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
Heh heh heh... I know everyone's wondering, but I too am a proud member of the VRWC.
I'm not a card carrying Republican or Democrat but I am an Independent who is for low taxes or no taxes, I'm anti-war but I'm for a strong defense, I'm pro life which makes more sense instead of pro choice, I think pot should be legalized even though I don't smoke it.
I'm a certified card-carrying Republican.
I'm also a member of the BCE, in case FORD pops in here.
I checked the vrwc box when I registered
Roth Army Militia
Count me in
i'm a registered republican and i think it's awesome ta finally hear people say they are and not be afraid. I always had a feeling Warham,Max, and JCOOK were, but i wasn't positive. John Ashcroft is the man though for speaking his mine, he never backs down which kicks ass! Oh and Tobinentinc, i'm also 17 years old as well and i'm registered, what's up with that???
It's so easy
no.
(but i have voted for a republican or 2 from time to time...
sounds pretty republican to me knuckleboner
o btw wayne l. most republicans are pro-life and lowering taxes, so u sound pretty conservative. You don't have to bullshit!
Don’t blame me for anything. I voted for…………
A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder
KB, you'll come to the dark side soon enough! I can already tell.Originally posted by knuckleboner
no.
(but i have voted for a republican or 2 from time to time...
Seriously though, why do you hang on to the Democratic party? Which issue do they promote that's keeping you? Truthfully, most people have only a couple of key issues they relate to when deciding on which party to associate with, which are yours?
So far, from reading your posts I can't really put my finger on why you associate with the Democratic party at all. I'll admit, it's got me a bit perplexed.
Now with Ford, it's all clear... Being crazy and all...
Last edited by John Ashcroft; 08-24-2004 at 08:40 AM.
eh...the parties aren't always what you see the talking heads spout at the national level...
but really, here goes:
in general, i'm pretty much socially liberal. fiscally, i understand how the economy works and i am in favor of justifying government programs and equally justifying the specific tax burdens placed on the various sectors of the country.
i'm also in favor of more government action at times. i think headstart is a good, valuable program that should be funded more. i think welfare (at least some form of it) is important, especially for children. although, i think job training programs and transitional unemployment are equally important. i think the government should provide a minimal level of health care (call it socialized, if you will, but i have no problem with individuals using their own health care options).
i don't necessarily agree with the specific tax bracket levels, but i think that the progressive tax system is good.
again, i don't necessarily agree with the levels, but i think the estate and dividend taxes are valid ways of funding government.
i've definitely found that fiscal constraint, at least at the national level, is equally as important for democrats. in my neck of the woods, the local republicans advocated much deeper tax cuts and government reduction, yet lost quite soundly. why? because the democrats were promoting careful budget and tax cuts (although, admittingly, cuts in the rate, not necessarily total $ tax paid).
the populace was willing to accept more government services and programs for human services and education (and parks/libraries/public safety, etc.) when they felt that the government was at least being fiscally careful, and was carefully, rather than carelessly spending those dollars it did.
so i think it IS possible to make the democratic party successful. is the national party there yet? eh...it's not a perfect fit for me. but currently, it's closer than the republicans.
that, and the chicks here are generally a bit more liberal, so you know, gotta do what you gotta do...
I can respect all of that. But I still don't believe the party at a national level is inline with your take on those issues at all. In fact, there are far more moderate Republicans at the national level than moderate Democrats. Your party has enlisted socialists to run it. I mean, Pelosi, Daschle, Clinton, Kerry. All with long track records opposing any kind of fiscal responsibility or constraint. In fact, when have you heard any of them utter a call for tax cuts? Seems just last month old Hillary was spouting communist doctrine (again).
Anyway, I do take issue with one thing you said...
i think welfare (at least some form of it) is important, especially for children. although, i think job training programs and transitional unemployment are equally important.
This amazes me, and I'm sure you didn't mean it the way it came across. But how could you ever consider welfare as "equally" important to training/educational programs? Really, needing welfare is indicative of a failure in the system at some level. Where education and training are pro-active and preventative measures to ensure against the welfare state. To me, education and/or training is infinitely more important to society than any welfare program. I would measure success on how many people don't require assistance rather than how many do. And I believe the conservative ideology falls directly in line with this reasoning (even if it's proponents aren't perfect...) But again, show me a national-level moderate Liberal?
[img] http://mccain.senate.gov/_images/bio_headshot.gif[/img]Originally posted by John Ashcroft
show me a national-level moderate Liberal?
but yeah not quite what i meant on welfare. i think that job training and education are an important part OF social welfare.
i view "welfare" as any of those programs where
as for national democrats; i really don't view most of them as much more liberal than lott, hatch, (the late) helms, are conservative.
it's not that i think the republican party is evil. i don't. i just don't see them championing most liberal social issues. nor do i see them making much inroads into tackling health care and and the middle class economy.
i fully admit the national democrats are still a group in need of a voice (and sometimes one with the wrong voice.) and i would like to see some changes to it's policy.
but i'd feel no less comfortable with the current republican party, either.
who knows? maybe barrack's the answer...
maybe not. we'll have to see.
I'll give you that. He certainly doesn't talk like a democrat (or any current Republican). I'm absolutely stoked by any mention of personal responsibility from politicians. Not because I believe politicians will magically deliver us from irresponsibility, but because there are so many of them willing to sell the country out in the name of destroying any sense of personal responsibility. And all for their own interests (I.E. reelection), and certainly not in the long term interests of our great country. It gets a bit depressing to tell you the truth. These assholes are literally selling our wonderful country into bankrupcy just to get reelected. They have no vision. They have no greater cause. They have no interest in the betterment of mankind. Only the betterment of themselves for the insignificant period of time they will reside on this planet.
I believe our country is special. I believe in the human spirit. I believe that freedom unleased reaps rewards unrealized by history. I believe when push comes to shove, most of my fellow man will rise to a cause greater than themselves, and make the world a better, more producitve place. I believe that those who exist simply to milk the benefits of such people should be an abomination to us all. I believe that so called "darwinism" should run it's course with such people.
I know, I know... That last line is going to send a bunch of you libs over the edge. But hell, you're the secularists, no??? You're the proponents of evolution, and staunch opponents of creationism, no??? You can't have your cake and eat it too, right?
Seriously, I believe that for those who are truly disadvantaged in this life, society can provide education for a better life. I am so strongly against giving them no more than a paycheck, ensuring that all they need to do is register to vote under a certain party once every couple of years. I realize that there are people who are desparate and desolate. I really believe that the riches nation on the planet can help pretty much ever single one of these people. But I just don't agree with how we've gone about it so far. I don't believe in building a dependent class. I believe in education vs. dependency.
And finally, I certainly believe that if you can't make it in the U.S., you simply can't make it. The problem is you, not the "system".
You're a Libertarian, except maybe for the pro-life part.Originally posted by Wayne L.
I'm not a card carrying Republican or Democrat but I am an Independent who is for low taxes or no taxes, I'm anti-war but I'm for a strong defense, I'm pro life which makes more sense instead of pro choice, I think pot should be legalized even though I don't smoke it.
Libertarian = no laws that prevent us from doing things that don't hurt other people--victimless crimes.
other than that...pro choice...on every issue.
No taxes. We can take care of ourselves. get the fed out of my ass.
I'm a registered Republican, no secret there.
Why do you think I agreed to be blood brothers with you, eh?Originally posted by Cathedral
I'm a registered Republican, no secret there.
The key is in motivating and encouraging individuals to better themselves, to move up the ladder of productive society...Originally posted by John Ashcroft
I believe our country is special. I believe in the human spirit. I believe that freedom unleased reaps rewards unrealized by history. I believe when push comes to shove, most of my fellow man will rise to a cause greater than themselves, and make the world a better, more producitve place.
If people lived as if their society depended on their personal contributions, there would be no need for welfare and government programs...
BTW, I've always been independant, but hanging out here with all of you, I've come to the realization that I am a Conservative Republican...
Good Point, I used to spend lots of time in this forum. I just got tired of repeating myself every couple of weeks in similar threads.Originally posted by MAX
Why do you think I agreed to be blood brothers with you, eh?
Now i just browse and shake my head at the Liberal stupidity trying to lead us into socialism.
It won't stand in this country and 8 years of nothing from Clinton proved nothing to them but how to be weak.
I'm sorry, but Iraq was the key place to take this battle to the Terrorists back yard and keep them out of ours.
Saddam is gone, Iraqi's are free, and Bin Laden is running scared digging holes in the ground.
We keep getting them and they have to start planning all over again how to hit us next.
Open your windows and listen....You'll hear the sound of security, that which soldiers enlisted to provide for all of us while we all have the freedom to sit here on a website and debate it.
I support this war because our friends and children are the one's fighting it, and if they believe in the cause we should either pick up a weapon and join them or shut the fuck up about it right now.
I can imagine it's pretty discouraging for a soldier in Iraq to read all of this anti-war, anti-American, Liberal spew...
i've spoken with a few, and they are pretty pissed not discouraged.
I was humbled by their stories and have far more understanding of what is really going on than any news program or paper has ever reported.
It's pretty sad what we learn from our information sources these days.
Yet i get identical stories from soldiers who have never met and served in different parts of Iraq.
I don't even watch or read news anymore, it's all lies from all so called sources.
Even the Conservative sides are off the mark.
Man, oh man......
It's so refreshing to both hear and read such stellar posts from people whom I've respected for years. You guys are great and you KNOW that I mean it!!!! I just don't have the energy to type or argue with people. I've noticed ONE THING during this election that I will agree with Kerry. Yes, we are a fucking divided nation! However, I have yet to hear as to why Kerry should be our country's Commander in Chief? When I argue with people regarding the upcoming election it NEVER has to do with Kerry or how he will make a better President. It's always me being on the defensive to people attacking and just plain hating Bush. I rarely see Kerry/Edwards stickers? I just see Buck Fush, Reclaim America! Defeat Bush! Etc.
Anyway, it's nice to have compadres who feel the same!!!
Right back at ya, Max...
I am sick of hearing about 30 years ago, or the pissing contests about who's service record was better or who was bravest in their youth.
I want to hear about the issues from both sides. I want Bush to explain to me why he thinks i should vote for him again.
I want to hear about Kerry's voting record over 18 years in washington and why i should trust that as President he will act any differently.
These subjects are NOT being addressed and quite frankly, both of them are pissing me off with this crap.
Stop bullying each other and talk to the people, earn the votes they seek and shut the hell up about Nam and the National Guard already.
Bring on the debates, i am anxiously awaiting them going head to head on issues...all this other shit means jack to me.
Well, the GOP convention is next week, so we will get to see a glimpse of where President Bush intends to take us...
Originally posted by Cathedral
Right back at ya, Max...
Mega dittos !!
LOL, I was approached by Nader supporters at the Hobby Lobby parking lot last week.
They asked me if i'd sign a petition to get Nader on the Ballot in Ohio, and i did.
Funny how today i hear that it was all the actions of Bush to take support from Kerry as his campaign officials were belly aching, lmmfao.
That thought never crossed my mind.
I signed it in an attempt to get the Green Party to finally get enough votes so we can have more than two choices legitimatly in presidential Elections.
Bush never called me up and asked me to do it, it was a great idea to add another debater in these things.
I'm all for more competition for the highest office in the land.
Nice post Cat!!!
You know what sucks the most? Kerry is the one who keeps bringing up Nam. Bush has repeatedly said that his (Kerry's) service to the country should be both honored and respected. Just like you've stated..... MOVE THE FUCK ON!!!!!
I'm sooooo stoked for the debates. Everyone likes to claim how fucking "illiterate and stupid" Bush is. Well, I don't give a rat's ass how wealthy one is cos one doesn't get a MBA from Harvard being stupid.
Believe me, I follow this election closely and Bush is the only candidate who is CLEAR on the issues asked and addressed to this point. I do not feel comfortable voting for a pussy-whipped guy who has to rub a bottle of ketchup to make a decision that effects all of us. All kidding aside, I really think it's a poor business decision to change management during wartime. If that makes any sense? Especially with a "man" who is completely incapable of making a concrete decision, let alone sticking with it!!!
You got that right, broham...
Kerry has more waffles than the House of Pancakes and I DO NOT TRUST HIM AT ALL...
He also loses his cool under pressure, which is not the kind of guy i want living in the White House.
Kerry is a phoney, period...
Back at you my brother!!!!Originally posted by ELVIS
Mega dittos !!
good call people.
The thought of Kerry being in charge of the stuff we got to handle now makes me squirm. If something Godforbid happens, I don't really think he'll go after and hunt the bastards down.Originally posted by MAX
All kidding aside, I really think it's a poor business decision to change management during wartime. If that makes any sense? Especially with a "man" who is completely incapable of making a concrete decision, let alone sticking with it!!!
Cuz isn't that really what we're all doing now? We going after everybody who pulls shit like this and showing them the westerners aren't gong to take it sitting down....unlike Spain. lol
Oh you must mean like the way Bush is hunting bin Laden, right? Where is he again?? Oh yeah, we're not looking for him anymore, we just let him go so we could go to Iraq.Originally posted by Ally_Kat
If something Godforbid happens, I don't really think he'll go after and hunt the bastards down.
That was a stupid arguement. God forbid we have Bush for another four years. I can't believe someone so intelligent would back a president who is so dumb.
You probably thought Saddam wasn't being hunted when he was found either...
Shut up...
Name a politician that isn't...Originally posted by ELVIS
Kerry is a phoney, period...
Mezro...at the end of the day, they are all on stage for personal gain...
Got me a date with a shaved Asian. I know, I know; I think it's fucked!
Can't argue with that, Mez.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I knew Saddam was being hunted... ...for all the wrong reasons. Prior to your 'Shut up' comment, all of you have made some very intelligent arguements here on this thread, however I am with KB and support the Dem's more than the Republicans, even though I am a registered Republican. (I know, I know you didn't see THAT one coming, huh?)Originally posted by ELVIS
You probably thought Saddam wasn't being hunted when he was found either...
Shut up...
Anyway, I fear Bush being in the White House for another four years a lot more than the "New Management" as someone called it. It's time for a change, and like I would tell any unshaven woman, "It's time to get rid of the Bush"...
At least you admit it IS the dark side...Originally posted by John Ashcroft
KB, you'll come to the dark side soon enough! I can already tell.
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