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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    No Brown Sugar.
    Why the Rolling Stones Aren't Playing 'Brown Sugar' on 2021 Tour
    https://ultimateclassicrock.com/roll...gar-2021-tour/

    "The Rolling Stones have conspicuously omitted their controversial 1971 hit "Brown Sugar" from their
    recent shows on the No Filter Tour. The reason varies, depending on which band member you ask."
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfish View Post
    Why the Rolling Stones Aren't Playing 'Brown Sugar' on 2021 Tour
    https://ultimateclassicrock.com/roll...gar-2021-tour/

    "The Rolling Stones have conspicuously omitted their controversial 1971 hit "Brown Sugar" from their
    recent shows on the No Filter Tour. The reason varies, depending on which band member you ask."
    Yeah, saw that too. I figured it was as simple as wanting to put the two new songs in. They don't seem like the kind to bow to pressure, but I doubt you are going to hear Mick sing "black girls just want to get fucked all night" again.

    They didn't do Sympathy on the Licks tour stop here. We got four from Exile, which was a nice treat.
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    Look at almost no one here tonight...
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Yeah, saw that too. I figured it was as simple as wanting to put the two new songs in. They don't seem like the kind to bow to pressure, but I doubt you are going to hear Mick sing "black girls just want to get fucked all night" again.
    They have enough songs that they can drop it just to save the hassle.

    That said it's pretty clear at this point that there is an invisible line that once you are over it you are immune and they could do it if they wanted.

    Elvis, Michael Jackson, Jimmy Page and Bill Wyman have created art that is seen as being too good to be cancelled just because they technically or in one case just plain raped some kids.

    Gary Glitter just not good enough, although ok enough to be in the Joker movie so he's close.
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    Look at almost no one here tonight...
    That was a half hour after the gates opened. The fireworks pic is at the end of the show. Full stadium.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Looking good Twona
    When I first looked at your reply I was on my phone and didn't see the circle. Now I do.

    Opposite side of the stadium, fifth section from the stage, first two sections are empty, lower bowl. Third row down from the top of the section on the right hand aisle. By myself with two in front of me.
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    Did you know that "Trouble's A Comin" was a cover?? I didn't!

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    I prefer Ain't too proud to beg or Just my imagination, by very far.
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    I prefer they just hang it up.
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    For the love of GAWD, please hang it up


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    Oh for the love of Christ, Mick! Stop fucking messing with the classics.

    When I heard that the "original reggae demo" of Start Me Up was going to be included in the new Tattoo You remaster, I thought it was great news. Most versions of this on bootlegs are either muddy, at the wrong speed, have skips in the track (apparently ripped from bad vinyl??) or sometimes all three. It really deserved a proper release in it's original form.

    This is NOT that......



    If you strain your ears hard enough, you can hear Keef's original track from the demo in the background. But they overdubbed another Keef track on top of it. Plus Woody, including a solo that's very much like the one he plays live.... which was never part of the original demo. Charlie's drums sound like they were cut & pasted from the 1981 released version of the song. And of course, Mick had to record a vocal as his current 78 year old self, completely burying the original 1975 vocals.

    This is the biggest mistake since they erased the original "drunk off their ass" vocals from "You Win Again" on the Some Girls deluxe remaster.

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    Thankfully, they left the overdubs to a minimum on this one. Sounds like some acoustic guitar added in. Maybe Mick sang some background vocals to himself on the chorus, but left the lead as it was. Still don't know why this wasn't released at the time they originally recorded it. Best version of the song ever recorded. Uncle Cracker my ass.......


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    Oh shit... here we go again....

    Always wondered why they left this one in the vault. Mick was high as fuck when he recorded the original version, but his emotional delivery - in the original - fit the song perfectly.

    The new vocals by Grandpa Mick? Not so much. But the rest of the song, vintage Mick Taylor era Stones, of course...


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    Here's the original.... just in case you hadn't heard it before....


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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    When I heard that the "original reggae demo" of Start Me Up was going to be included in the new Tattoo You remaster, I thought it was great news. Most versions of this on bootlegs are either muddy, at the wrong speed, have skips in the track (apparently ripped from bad vinyl??) or sometimes all three. It really deserved a proper release in it's original form.

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    This is the biggest mistake since they erased the original "drunk off their ass" vocals from "You Win Again" on the Some Girls deluxe remaster.
    Reading the descriptions of the additions to the new "super deluxe" edition of Tattoo You...it's just, ugh. I suppose for diehard fans of the band every single bit of audio is some golden nugget, but more often than not with any of these deluxe versions from any group, to my ears that unreleased stuff was unreleased for the simple reason that it wasn't good enough the first time around.
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    Second SoFi Stadium show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Reading the descriptions of the additions to the new "super deluxe" edition of Tattoo You...it's just, ugh. I suppose for diehard fans of the band every single bit of audio is some golden nugget, but more often than not with any of these deluxe versions from any group, to my ears that unreleased stuff was unreleased for the simple reason that it wasn't good enough the first time around.
    Ha! So the buyer of the new release is screwed and tattooed. Yup. Tattoo You Suckers!
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    Well I overpaid for some lousy seats in Seattle to see Mick, Kieth and Charlie one last time before they died. Time waits for no one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Well I overpaid for some lousy seats in Seattle to see Mick, Kieth and Charlie one last time before they died. Time waits for no one.
    I can see wanting to see the band before they finally tap out from touring, therefore you bite the bullet and overpay the piper, particularly if one has never seen them live...because the Stones...they're just one of those bands...and with Charlie having passed an Mick having suffered heart problems, clearly it is no longer the case that the chances to see the band are endless in terms of years and years left to check them out.

    I can recall thinking at the time that the $50 I paid for my scalped Stones ticket in 1989 was akin to highway robbery...good luck paying less than 6x that amount now, and that's just for nosebleed stadium seats.

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    And yet, just to throw a twist in the whole thing, here's the Stones going back to their roots.....


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    Never mind the hot lesbians.... Charlie is the real star of this video....


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    Sounds like a Goats Head Soup-era outtake.


    These fuckers really need to just hang it up.

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    Actually it's an outtake from "It's Only Rock n Roll". Originally they recorded the song in 1974, then for some reason, changed it to a reggae beat, totally rewrote the lyrics, and it became "Luxury".


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    Exactly why they should just hang it up.

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    Clicking thru some YT videos and this popped up into my feed.
    I guess if we can't see a current version, we can enjoy these old ones.
    Gotta love Mick's teenage girl crop top & high school boy football pant look.
    (on the other hand he's older than I was in 1981 and looks to be in better shape than I was/am...)


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    Even if this was posted previouily it's worth another look:

    The Rolling Stones - Hampton Coliseum Live In 1981
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    When the balloon drops at 1:40 you see some guy run onto the stage at the left of the screen.
    At 1:43 Keef takes action.


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    In Mark Blake's book Stone Me: The Wit and Wisdom of Keith Richards, Keef said, “What if he had a gun in his hand or a knife? I mean, he might be a fan, he might be a nutter, and he's on my turf. I'm gonna chop the mother down!”

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    How The Rolling Stones' ‘No Filter Tour’ Became 2021’s Highest Grossing Tour And An Industry Beacon

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    It didn’t seem remotely possible that The Rolling Stones, the World’s Greatest Rock & Roll Band, could outdo themselves nearly 60 years into their storied career. But what the Stones achieved in 2021 with the restart of their “No Filter Tour” stands out as among one of the legendary group’s greatest accomplishments. Not only was it the highest grossing tour of Pollstar’s 2021 chart year, bringing in $115.5 million and more than 516,000 tickets over the course of just two months, but, more importantly, it served as a beacon for the entire industry and hundreds of millions of music fans across the world, showing that in this supremely challenging year, concerts at the highest echelon of the live business could be pulled off safely and successfully.

    “It's a testament to all of the people who were out on the road and on our team,” says John Meglen, president and co-CEO of Concerts West, the Stones’ promoter. “You have to give every single person out there credit for a ton of buckling down and saying, ‘Let's go out and get this thing done,’ because we all wanted to get it done. We didn't want to lose a show. And we're watching all the others out there and going, ‘Man, they're not taking it serious enough.’”

    With an average revenue of a mind-boggling $10 million per show for the full run, there was a lot at stake and the Stones’ team had to do everything in their power to ensure the tour’s safety. To Meglen, his co-CEO partner Paul Gongaware and their team’s credit, the tour’s strict adherence to COVID protocols was crucial to the success of “No Filter.”

    “We had a very, very strict bubble, both for the entourage and the same with Opie (veteran tour production director Dale “Opie” Skjerseth) on the production crew,” Meglen says. “When we moved into St. Louis for the first show (the run debuted on Sept. 26 at The Dome), we really got into all of the daily or every-other-day testing.”

    Not only was the entire crew vaccinated and regularly tested, but the tour traveled with N95 masks, doctors and even its own PCR machines. No outsiders were allowed backstage, dressing rooms were sanitized and zones were set up to only allow certain people access. “We had to be very, very strict,” Meglen continues. “At the show in L.A., my wife was up in the suite, but I couldn't go up and see her.”

    Also, this year there was an array of other challenges beyond the global pandemic, including labor shortages, supply chain issues, rising inflation, consumer fear, varying city and state regulations and, most horribly, the one thing no group should ever have to endure, especially weeks before a major tour commences.

    “Charlie’s passing was a surprise,” says Gongaware of the immense loss of Charlie Watts, one of the all-time great drummers and an original Rolling Stones member. His passing at age 80 on Aug. 24, 2021, just a month out from the “No Filter” kickoff, was a body blow for The Stones, their team and music fans across the globe who for decades reveled in Watts’ steady, swinging grooves. “We knew he was in the hospital,” Gongaware continues, “but we thought he was doing okay. He had insisted we do the tour without him if he wasn't going to be able. We were hoping that he would come back somewhere in the middle of the tour, but he insisted we do it, and so we did.”

    Thank goodness. What the band accomplished in 2021 with 14 stadium shows in total (two of the shows fell outside of Pollstar’s chart year) in just under two months, with a whopping 577,303 tickets and a $226.75 average ticket price for a total gross of $130,906,734, is proof positive that the live industry can and will return.

    Within the context of the Stones’ storied concert history, a $130.9 million gross might seem a pittance – but it isn’t and it augurs exceedingly well for 2022. Over the course of six decades, the Rolling Stones have continually been on the forefront of the live business, pushing the bar ever higher while helping create the modern touring industry as we know it today. When Michael Cohl outbid Bill Graham for 1989’s “Steel Wheels Tour,” it was an historic paradigm shift that displaced the regional tour promoter system for the single promoter model that has ruled the day ever since. It also included groundbreaking sponsorship deals and saw revenues in excess of $140 million, which for then was all but unheard of.

    And that’s just the beginning. The Stones’ 1994-1995 “Voodoo Lounge” run hauled $320 million and sold 6.4 million tickets, while their “Bigger Bang Tour” exceeded that revenue benchmark with $558 million grossed from 2005-2007 but sold a little less at 4.7 million tickets. The World's Greatest Rock & Roll Band were among the top earners for three decades, pulling in $870 million in the aughts, $929 million in the teens (just behind U2) and an estimated $800 million in the '90s – a whopping $2.6 billion over those decades.

    Perhaps more mind-blowing is that if the Stones decided to continue touring apace of 2021’s leg of the “No Filter Tour,” which passed $130 million grossed in just one quarter, their haul for a full year would be a massive $523.6 million– significantly more than the top tours of the recent record-setting years of 2018 (Ed Sheeran at $432 million) and 2019 (Pink at $215 million), and more than any of their past tours earned in a single calendar year.

    Part of their success is ticket pricing, which by today’s inflationary standards at $223.50 is relatively reasonable for one of the most legendary artists on the planet. “It is an event, not just another concert,” says Gongaware of the Stones’ ticket pricing. “We want to make sure that when they come to town, it’s an event. We work very hard on that from tease campaigns at the very beginning with people like Amy Morrison, who runs our marketing department, who’s been doing this since their 50th anniversary tour and far more.”

    In addition to Morrison and Skjerseth, Gongaware and Meglen stress the importance of their team, which includes COO Kelly DiStefano, tour accountant Gord Berg, Marc Feinberg, who runs premium ticketing, and Mike Wozniak for security. In addition, the duo shout out the Stones’ indispensable manager Joyce Smyth, who Meglen calls “absolutely amazing, she makes everything happen.”

    When asked what they learned that others in the industry should know for when they get out there, Meglen cuts to the chase. “You better take it seriously,” he says. “We ain’t done. This whole thing about the ‘Roaring ’20s’ and all of that, we said a long time ago, the comeback’s going to be one hell of a bumpy road, and it’s going to continue being a bumpy road for a while. So all these Pollyannish ones who think that, ‘Oh, it’s going to be like it was before,’ that ain’t the case. It’s tough out there. You’ve got to be smart. If you lose shows, that’s a lot of money.”

    And the million- if not billion- dollar question for 2022, with the band’s incredible 60th year approaching, is will they or won’t they go back out?
    “We can’t talk about it,” Gongaware says firmly. That’s a far better answer than no.

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    Part of their success is ticket pricing, which by today’s inflationary standards at $223.50 is relatively reasonable for one of the most legendary artists on the planet.
    Oh fuck off.

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    They re-used the stage from '19. Some of the video effects were different this year from '19 but with a year of downtime that easily could be done by someone at home. So...they may have spent more on the doctors and protocol but the production was probably paid for in '19.

    I paid somewhere north of the $223 but I expect to. Win some, lose some, got the Lucky Dips for $40 each in '15 and we had club seats, lower bowl, at Ohio Stadium. Close to where I was this year in Pittsburgh.
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    It's your choice and as a man of means that's all good but anyone trying to make out it's 'relatively reasonable' to charge someone $200 to see them from the back of a stadium during a pandemic is a fucking disgusting joke.

    They are a bunch of greedy as fuck cunts that have helped drive up ticket prices for decades now. They invented insane concert prices. I don't know what they think think they are going to do with all that cash when they die soon. Their lack of altruism so so extreme it's actually really fucking weird and kind of makes me pity them.

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