Muslim Cartoon Row

[flatbroke]

What I wish the Danish Prime Minister had said:

Good news for all you Western Muslims who feel like you're under persecution for your faith - particularly those holding signs that say something like "kill anyone who denies that Islam is the religion of peace." It turns out that you don't have to put up with all the stress and strain of changing your host country into a Muslim country after all.

It seems that there are already places in the world called "Muslim Lands." You've heard this term before, and probably used it in a sentence. For example, "you infidels have no business being in our peaceful Muslim lands."

Too much press freedom keeping you up at night? Not a problem in Syria, where you'll sleep like a baby.

Someone hurt your feelings by wishing you a Merry Christmas? Folks like that go headless in Saudi Arabia.

Teenage daughter picking out the wrong boyfriend? Just take her to Iran and pick out a rock.

Of course, if you'd prefer to stay here and enjoy the robust economies, political rights, intellectual liberties, freedom of expression, civil protections, and the benefits of open and accountable government that Judeo-Christian societies offer, then you might consider redirecting your energy into encouraging the Islamic world to adopt these principles as well.

Who knows, maybe someday Muslim countries might actually become places where Muslims want to live

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Wow! This is one of the most awesome threads I've ever read around, how could I miss it?
Cartoons... I almost never missed an issue of my fave satiric paper in 6 years, until yesterday. "My" Charlie Hebdo, having been widely advertised because of a mediatic controversy due to parodies of Muhammad, the muslim prophet, that were announced as the central topic of yesterday's edition... As a follow up of the Danish cartoons issue, it had many non-usual buyers purchase the uncompromising (but they always are at Charlie Hebdo) issue, so that the paper was very soon impossible to find early yesterday morning - while I was working, aaarrgh!

I have mixed feelings about that (European satiric cartoonists insisting on the so-called - as any is, in any religion... - prophet):

- Insisting, as Charlie Hebdo particularly is, on such a "sensitive" topic as (may it as dumb as it is) religious beliefs, looks like provocation, that could well not be...

- Even though muslims should not even dare suggesting that they could interfere in European affairs as far as censorship, considering that European societies have been secular for, as it is the case for France for instance, one century (since 1905). Yet, hadn't it been the case, they should keep about as far from our affairs as their so-called prophet is from reality. Most Western European democracies are based on reality, not religious delirium, be it of muslim or holy-joe source.

That said, today I missed my first issue of the paper I like most (done by brilliant free minds, writers or cartoonists, the latter being the last true philosophers of our time, IMO), because of a massive advertising campaign that resulted from the continuous mentioning of thair next publication, that was announced as even more non-compromising...
What gets me mad is that the issue was bought by the nearly 20% of extreme right-wing brainless jerks who thought they were going to read racist crap...
Charlie Hebdo is nothing like such shit paper: all they ever denounce, week after week, is social injustice, intellectual misguiding, or political malfunctions. Anyway, the result is I will be deprived of the first Charlie issue in 6 years. Fuck the media!

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by Angel
What country did your parents (or grandparents) come from? They should have stuck to their own country. ...

My parents, grand-parents and great grand-parents where born here.
My ancesters came from France and YES...
They should have "stuck in there"!

That way I wouldn't be freezing my ass in winter wonderland and I would be closer to Jérôme...
and French wineries...

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by flatbroke
What I wish the Danish Prime Minister had said:

Good news for all you Western Muslims who feel like you're under persecution for your faith - particularly those holding signs that say something like "kill anyone who denies that Islam is the religion of peace." It turns out that you don't have to put up with all the stress and strain of changing your host country into a Muslim country after all.

It seems that there are already places in the world called "Muslim Lands." You've heard this term before, and probably used it in a sentence. For example, "you infidels have no business being in our peaceful Muslim lands."

Too much press freedom keeping you up at night? Not a problem in Syria, where you'll sleep like a baby.

Someone hurt your feelings by wishing you a Merry Christmas? Folks like that go headless in Saudi Arabia.

Teenage daughter picking out the wrong boyfriend? Just take her to Iran and pick out a rock.

Of course, if you'd prefer to stay here and enjoy the robust economies, political rights, intellectual liberties, freedom of expression, civil protections, and the benefits of open and accountable government that Judeo-Christian societies offer, then you might consider redirecting your energy into encouraging the Islamic world to adopt these principles as well.

Who knows, maybe someday Muslim countries might actually become places where Muslims want to live

Fucking Brilliant!

[Nitro Express]

I have a friend who runs a winery in Nice. Should I tell him a nice Canadian girl is looking for a job?

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by flatbroke
What I wish the Danish Prime Minister had said:

Good news for all you Western Muslims who feel like you're under persecution for your faith - particularly those holding signs that say something like "kill anyone who denies that Islam is the religion of peace." It turns out that you don't have to put up with all the stress and strain of changing your host country into a Muslim country after all.

It seems that there are already places in the world called "Muslim Lands." You've heard this term before, and probably used it in a sentence. For example, "you infidels have no business being in our peaceful Muslim lands."

Too much press freedom keeping you up at night? Not a problem in Syria, where you'll sleep like a baby.

Someone hurt your feelings by wishing you a Merry Christmas? Folks like that go headless in Saudi Arabia.

Teenage daughter picking out the wrong boyfriend? Just take her to Iran and pick out a rock.

Of course, if you'd prefer to stay here and enjoy the robust economies, political rights, intellectual liberties, freedom of expression, civil protections, and the benefits of open and accountable government that Judeo-Christian societies offer, then you might consider redirecting your energy into encouraging the Islamic world to adopt these principles as well.

Who knows, maybe someday Muslim countries might actually become places where Muslims want to live

This should be published, and then pasted on every bus in every town in America.
Beautiful post, absolutely beautiful.......

[jhale667]

Originally posted by flatbroke
What I wish the Danish Prime Minister had said:

Good news for all you Western Muslims who feel like you're under persecution for your faith - particularly those holding signs that say something like "kill anyone who denies that Islam is the religion of peace." It turns out that you don't have to put up with all the stress and strain of changing your host country into a Muslim country after all.

It seems that there are already places in the world called "Muslim Lands." You've heard this term before, and probably used it in a sentence. For example, "you infidels have no business being in our peaceful Muslim lands."

Too much press freedom keeping you up at night? Not a problem in Syria, where you'll sleep like a baby.

Someone hurt your feelings by wishing you a Merry Christmas? Folks like that go headless in Saudi Arabia.

Teenage daughter picking out the wrong boyfriend? Just take her to Iran and pick out a rock.

Of course, if you'd prefer to stay here and enjoy the robust economies, political rights, intellectual liberties, freedom of expression, civil protections, and the benefits of open and accountable government that Judeo-Christian societies offer, then you might consider redirecting your energy into encouraging the Islamic world to adopt these principles as well.

Who knows, maybe someday Muslim countries might actually become places where Muslims want to live

Excellent post.

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by Angel
...Come on blond... this is Canada, a nation built by "immigrants".

You tell me?

I don't know where EH is, in Canada but I can tell you thet here, it is NOT "white bread Canada"...
And THANK GOD it ain't!

Yes, my French ancesters came here, raped the Amerindiens of their land and worked their ass off on it,
for the English to conqueer later on and to welcome other nationalities, as we do now.

We do need immigrants to support our socialist system and I enjoy living along with EVERY NATIONALITIES here... just not the Mid. Easterns because they are extremely different, therefore don't get along with ANYBODYELSE!

It is humainly impossible to ALL get along...

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by flatbroke
What I wish the Danish Prime Minister had said:

Good news for all you Western Muslims who feel like you're under persecution for your faith - particularly those holding signs that say something like "kill anyone who denies that Islam is the religion of peace." It turns out that you don't have to put up with all the stress and strain of changing your host country into a Muslim country after all.

It seems that there are already places in the world called "Muslim Lands." You've heard this term before, and probably used it in a sentence. For example, "you infidels have no business being in our peaceful Muslim lands."

Too much press freedom keeping you up at night? Not a problem in Syria, where you'll sleep like a baby.

Someone hurt your feelings by wishing you a Merry Christmas? Folks like that go headless in Saudi Arabia.

Teenage daughter picking out the wrong boyfriend? Just take her to Iran and pick out a rock.

Of course, if you'd prefer to stay here and enjoy the robust economies, political rights, intellectual liberties, freedom of expression, civil protections, and the benefits of open and accountable government that Judeo-Christian societies offer, then you might consider redirecting your energy into encouraging the Islamic world to adopt these principles as well.

Who knows, maybe someday Muslim countries might actually become places where Muslims want to live

Well said!

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
I have a friend who runs a winery in Nice. Should I tell him a nice Canadian girl is looking for a job?

PLEASE do!
I loved Nice but didn't see wineries there :confused:

You're joking right?

[Nitro Express]

His family runs sevral wine opperations in France and in Italy but his family is from Nice so I assumed they had a winery in the Nice area as well.

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
His family runs sevral wine opperations in France and in Italy but his family is from Nice so I assumed they had a winery in the Nice area as well.

You are very lucky to have such a "connection" in France...
I really wish I would!

[Angel]

Originally posted by blonddgirl777
just not the Mid. Easterns because they are extremely different, therefore don't get along with ANYBODYELSE!

It is humainly impossible to ALL get along...

Have you tried? I have numerous mid-Eastern friends, and we all get along just fine. I show respect for their ways when in their homes, and vice versa. So far I haven't found anyone in the world I can't get along with.

Were any of your ancestors "Genereux" by any chance? If so, we may be related! (I'm 9th Generation Cdn on my fathers side, and 8th generation on my mothers).

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by blonddgirl777
That way I wouldn't be freezing my ass in winter wonderland and I would be closer to Jérôme...
and French wineries...

Oh, BG... you're soooo sweet!

French wines and cuisine, if they didn't exist...

As for your ancestors, I think they had a very respectable nerve, didn't they?

Back on topic, I'll have my copy of my fave paper tomorrow, as I booked one of the reissues of last Wednesday's edition which was sold out everywhere way before midday. I'll scan a few cartoons and post them here asap.

[Nitro Express]

I have relatives who work in the high end resturant business. My cousin worked for Wolfgang Puck at one time. My uncle specializes in French/Italian cusine. I absolutely loved going to France/Italy with my uncles family. They are fluent in French and know the culture which makes being there even funner.

Americans make the mistake of judging France on Paris. I like a lot about Paris but face it, it can be a very rude place. Plus the religiouse right in our country seem to take offense at the French.

I remember having dinner in France with a person from Utah who did not drink because of theire religion and he was always bitching about how the French were trying to corrupt him with their wine. I told him some people in France don't drink either but the waiters were trying to do him a favor because if you don't eat something acidic with the French cheese sauces they ball up in your stomach and make life miserable. You deffinately don't want to wash some French food down with ice water! If you don't drink, the French take great pride in their fruit juices as well. Once the Mormon asshole discovered that he was happier.

Sure the French govt. are socialist, sure Paris has always been a city of lust but what major international city isn't? Shit. Las Vegas is way more loose than Paris is. Sure we had to save France in WWII. The United States seems to have forgotten that we would have never beat the British without French help. The French people gave us the statue of liberty. A good chuck of the United States was sold to us at a great price by France.

You get outside of Paris and the French people are pretty darn nice. At least I think so. Most French politicians are assholes but that's the norm everywhere except in the US where we don't have an ass for a president but a chimp that was trained by a Halliburton guy named Dick.

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
What is going on now is nothing new....The reality is as soon as you beat one enemy there is always another to replace him.

Wrong....there IS something TOTALLY new about this.

When the Federal Government lacks a real enemy, they just MAKE ONE UP!

No I am not saying these Islamic terrorists are fictional....what I mean is, for the first time in history, our President (Chimpy) has declared war on the entire planet!

Hey, in WWI & WWII, we knew who our enemy was. Germany in both wars, and add Italy & Japan to the list for WWII.

For Korea, it was North Korea (on the face of it), and in Vietnam, there were no enemies of the U.S. to begin with (as the United States backed Ho Chi Minh with weapons and materiel), but the CIA successfully led the public of the U.S. to believe that we were enemies with North Vietnam by removing one million North Vietnamese FROM North Vietname, and moving them to South Vietnam.

So then, once they were down there, they cut off the sale of rice to China (which was a MAJOR customer for South Vietnam).

So you have a million people in South Vietnam who are homeless, and starving, and because they suddenly arrived, they upset the economy that was in place, causing food shortages, and then the CIA cuts off a major source of revenue for South Vietnam.

So then the transplanted NVs began to steal food and create trouble, and some of the South Vietnamese began to get upset as well.

The CIA came up with a new label for them: "Insurgents", also known as "Viet Cong".

So despite the fictitious 'enemy', they were still located in South Vietnam.


Nowadays, the 'terrorists' have no home base. This gives Chimpy and his cretins the theoretical excuse that they can invade ANY country on Earth. All they have to do is claim that "terrorists" are given safe harbor, and next thing ya know there are U.S. soldiers landing on their shores.


We once had real enemies.

Now they are ghosts....ready to be called upon at a moment's notice when we need an excuse to go to war. Chimpy can just have some of his CIA goons go blow some people up, and then Chimpy can blame it on "terrorists".

Same as with 9/11. They continue to claim that 19 "terrorists" hijacked planes, blah, blah woof, woof, yet it was soon discovered that at least 5 of those "terrorists" who were on those planes were still alive and well and living in other countries.

Yet Chimpy and his bunch of genocidal maniacs contiue to claim TO THIS DAY that all of these 19 "terrorists" WERE on the airplanes that crashed.

They continue to lie, even when the facts show the truth is the opposite of what they are claiming.

This is a tactic used by retarded people and/or terrorists. Deny the truth.

So either Warham, 4moreyears & BBB are retards, or terrorists, as they use that same tactic in this forum.


What a fucked up administration.

Chimpy needs to.....be removed from office.

CHIMPEACHMENT NOW!!!

[Warham]

You use the same line in every post, fool.

'Chimpeachment!'



Can we get down to any lower of a common denominator than that? You sound like a FORD-wannabe. Actually, most of you liberals here ride his coattails. Come up with a new act.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
Sure the French govt. are socialist

:eek: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! :eek:

Nitro, I really dig all of your post, but this part... Arrrgh!

The French govt has been right wing since May 2002. The last two candidates were Chirac - more of a capitalist than him, you die - and Le Pen(dre) - if you add "dre to his name, it means "hang him" - who is a mere fascist.
We've had to endure the most right-wing policy since Vichy, you know, the Occupation, Pétain... No joke: these days we're almost as far from socialism as we can be in the US... So, please.

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by Angel
... Were any of your ancestors "Genereux" by any chance? If so, we may be related! (I'm 9th Generation Cdn on my fathers side, and 8th generation on my mothers).

Althoudh I am very generous (Généreux = French for a generous male) :p ...
It is not my last name but I would have to check if somewhere, they could have mixed...

I know my ancestors originated from Normandie... wich is where most of the French population came from.



Hey, truely I admire the fact that you seem to get along with everybody... Muslims included.
I also get along pretty much everywhere (work, class, important functions etc...)
but I guess my heart has its limits when it comes to being FRIENDS!

[Angel]

That's a shame. My best friend's in-laws are Syrian. (Actually, Palestinian) They are some of the nicest, best-mannered people I know.

and yes, I know Genereux is generous... my parents must have wanted me to be a stripper or something, imagine naming your child Angel Generous?

[Angel]

Originally posted by blonddgirl777
I know my ancestors originated from Normandie... wich is where most of the French population came from.

Probably not related then, mine came from Limousin

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by Angel
... I know Genereux is generous... my parents must have wanted me to be a stripper or something, imagine naming your child Angel Generous?

L.O.L.
And if you where... a stripper, you would have to change your name for something like: Karen Smith... :p

[flatbroke]

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/156837.php

I'm just glad that Scott Adams from Dilbert, or Gary Tredaeu from Doonsberry had the good sense not to say something immoral about Muhammad in their cartoon strips...

[Jérôme Frenchise]

This is last Wednesday's front page. Muhammad, "overwhelmed by fundamentalists", says: "How hard it is to be worshipped by cunts!"

Here's another cartoon from the same issue. There are dozens more.

[Nickdfresh]

Now that's funny...

[singerman]

Originally posted by flatbroke
What I wish the Danish Prime Minister had said:

Good news for all you Western Muslims who feel like you're under persecution for your faith - particularly those holding signs that say something like "kill anyone who denies that Islam is the religion of peace." It turns out that you don't have to put up with all the stress and strain of changing your host country into a Muslim country after all.

It seems that there are already places in the world called "Muslim Lands." You've heard this term before, and probably used it in a sentence. For example, "you infidels have no business being in our peaceful Muslim lands."

Too much press freedom keeping you up at night? Not a problem in Syria, where you'll sleep like a baby.

Someone hurt your feelings by wishing you a Merry Christmas? Folks like that go headless in Saudi Arabia.

Teenage daughter picking out the wrong boyfriend? Just take her to Iran and pick out a rock.

Of course, if you'd prefer to stay here and enjoy the robust economies, political rights, intellectual liberties, freedom of expression, civil protections, and the benefits of open and accountable government that Judeo-Christian societies offer, then you might consider redirecting your energy into encouraging the Islamic world to adopt these principles as well.

Who knows, maybe someday Muslim countries might actually become places where Muslims want to live

wow!!!....totally spot on! great post!

[Mr Grimsdale]

Originally posted by singerman
Bin laden was a 'freedom fighter' when he worked for the CIA against the russians, he wasnt the international terrorist as he is known now

I'm sure the Russians viewed him as freedom fighter and not a terrorist!

"Look at our brave Russian sons coming back without any legs thanks to that brave freedom fighter Bin Laden".

[Mr Grimsdale]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Any Muslim I've ever met personally has been nothing but decent and respectful...

driving a jagdtiger usually has that effect

[singerman]

Originally posted by Mr Grimsdale
I'm sure the Russians viewed him as freedom fighter and not a terrorist!

"Look at our brave Russian sons coming back without any legs thanks to that brave freedom fighter Bin Laden".

As i said, he wasnt an international terrorist when he was in Afganistan,he was fighting agaisnt the russians to stop them invading...oh yes forgot to mention...he was also a regular at Arsenal FC matches on a saturday (when he wasnt busy blowing the russian armys legs off!) lol

[FORD]

Originally posted by singerman
As i said, he wasnt an international terrorist when he was in Afganistan,he was fighting agaisnt the russians to stop them invading...oh yes forgot to mention...he was also a regular at Arsenal FC matches on a saturday (when he wasnt busy blowing the russian armys legs off!) lol

Well, that explains how the post game riots got started in soccer stadiums. Damn terrorists

[singerman]

Originally posted by FORD
Well, that explains how the post game riots got started in soccer stadiums. Damn terrorists

Originally posted by FORD
Well, that explains how the post game riots got started in soccer stadiums. Damn terrorists

LOL ....love it!

[flatbroke]

The Iranian embassy in Germany has demanded a written apology from a Berlin newspaper that printed a cartoon of Iranian soccer players dressed as suicide bombers and threatened legal action if none is forthcoming.

I only hope that Calvin and Hobbs, and Marmaduke decide to show a little more respect...


http://clarityandresolve.com/archives/2006/02/iran_seething_o.php

[Nickdfresh]

Well, this cartoon is a little closer to the mark...

[Wawazat]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=1588718

TEHRAN, Iran Feb 7, 2006 (AP)— A prominent Iranian newspaper says it is going to hold a competition for cartoons on the Holocaust to test whether the West will apply the principle of freedom of expression to the Nazi genocide against Jews as it did to the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.

Hamshahri, which is among the top five of Iran's mass circulation papers, made clear the contest is a reaction to European newspapers' publication of Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which have led to demonstrations, boycotts and attacks on European embassies across the Islamic world.


let the games commence

[ashstralia]

Originally posted by FORD
Well, that explains how the post game riots got started in soccer stadiums. Damn terrorists

hehehehehehehe.....

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Wawazat
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=1588718

TEHRAN, Iran Feb 7, 2006 (AP)— A prominent Iranian newspaper says it is going to hold a competition for cartoons on the Holocaust to test whether the West will apply the principle of freedom of expression to the Nazi genocide against Jews as it did to the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.

Hamshahri, which is among the top five of Iran's mass circulation papers, made clear the contest is a reaction to European newspapers' publication of Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which have led to demonstrations, boycotts and attacks on European embassies across the Islamic world.


let the games commence

I think the DUMP is in the front running to win...

[jhale667]

Ok, so I'm reading Yahoo! News....and the OIC (Organization of the Islamic Conference) is pushing the UN to adopt "Anti-Blasphemy" tenants into the human rights act? WTF? How can a culture with such an ABYSMAL record on human rights and their treatment of women even be allowed to SPEAK on human rights?!?!?!?!

[jhale667]

....And WTF does RELIGION have to do with HUMAN RIGHTS?!?!?!?

[Angel]

In Canada, it falls under the "Charter of Rights & Freedoms": http://www.efc.ca/pages/law/charter/charter.text.html


FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS.
Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.

EQUALITY BEFORE AND UNDER LAW AND EQUAL PROTECTION AND BENEFIT OF LAW / Affirmative action programs.
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

So, in Canada at least, Religion has a LOT to do with Human Rights.

[jhale667]

Well, then...by that logic the cartoons are fine. It's Freedom of expression....or is that only for them?