The state of Van Halen

[thekeek]

The bottom line is- yes Dave Roth is AWSOME - his stay in Van Halen will live
forever in our hearts. Sammy in Van Halen will do the same. This whole Dave
or Sammy Camp crap- sucks. It's made VH fan against VH fan- it's retarded!
The bottom line is- Edward, Alex and Michael- are still playing. Certain
fans only want to live in a past that can NEVER be reproduced or copied.
Mozart would never have cared what soprano was singing his music- only if
they could! The truth is- we can never see another 1978, 1984 or, for that
matter 1991. Van Halen is more than just a band- it is about Men that want
to make the best music they can- because they have to. You can spend your
life in the past, or join and enjoy, the future. I look forward.
God Bless and Van Halen Rules!
-Jack Carey

[Roth & Roll]

Re: The state of Van Halen

Originally posted by thekeek
Van Halen is more than just a band- it is about Men that want
to make the best music they can- because they have to.
-Jack Carey

They CANT make the best music that they can without David Lee Roth.
End Of Story

P.S. : It's like someone else singing "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" during the 7th inning stretch at Wrigley besides your Uncle Harry.

[Panamark]

If Sammy wasnt such a geek compared to Dave, maybe it would be easier to take. Dave is everything Sammy is not. The band is not the same. Perhaps if they had found another Dave-esque type frontman it could have worked better. But Spammy is a total dweeb nerd and does nothing but tarnish the legacy.

Aside from the obvious image problems, his voice is shocking. Its one of the most annoying vocal styles in Pop. Fucking kills anything that EVH might possibly be doing in the background.

[Wayne L.]

It's about time common sense was FINALLY spoken by someone else instead of just me concerning Van Halen speaking as an old VH/DLR era fan. I think it's ridiculous the way some of my fellow VH fans live in the past constantly expecting another Van Halen, Fair Warning & 1984 when it's never going to happen ever again reunion or not. Eddie is one of the last great rock guitarist with few equals who had a major impact on the rock scene when VH exploded back in 78 in those days but you can't turn back the clock. Dave is one of the last great frontmen in rock with his showmanship & bad as attitude with few equals during his VH days while he has had his ups & downs as solo artist he'sstill one of rock's great performers. I think Sammy is a great singer, songwriter, musician & performer in his own right as well as a great VH frontman while Eddie & Sammy compliment each other onstage well which is why Live Without A Net defines that era. I'm looking forward to the Van Halen/Sammy Hagar reunion tour despite not planning on going even though it's more likea Paul McCartney & Wings reunion instead of a Beatles reunion because I would like to see EVH & DLR onstage one more time.

[Igosplut]

You numbnut feel free to cruise over to any of the sites dedicated to VH in any other form and spew that view. I'm sure you'll get plenty of golf clapps.

Here and DDLR have been getting besieged with people that seemingly want to tell us how great this reunion shit is, Sams so much better, Blah blah blah.

Whats the point?? Talk to the hand, It'll get you farther. All trolling aside if people like spam, why preach here.

Because these two sites are fun. Call it the dave attitude. Make most of these post on the other so-called "all era" sites and you get banned. Thats what I call the sam atittude.

So spew on about how great it is to see this shit, Eds the balls, ect....
bottom line its boring mediocre shit at best. Dont expect the people that know better to ever change.....

[thebuldawg]

Originally posted by Igosplut
Talk to the hand, It'll get you farther.

Good advice, in my opinion, but will probably be ignored by the Ched Heads. I've taken to ignoring them; I get fewer headaches that way.

[Lou]

Can someone move this thread....to the LINKS?

[Sarge]

Originally posted by Lou
Can someone move this thread....to the LINKS?

HAHAHA
That would be funny to move this fuckin thread over to another site.
Like a swap meet.

Van Hagar has no... BALLS.
No rebellion, No testosterone.
It's pop crap

[Golden AWe]

Van Hagar is like Luftwaffe without wings


DLR = roast beef
Sammy = soy sausages

[Lou]

I think it's a slightly harder version of Air Supply myself

[SheAintWaiting]

Someone wrote:

>>I'm looking forward to the Van Halen/Sammy Hagar reunion tour despite not planning on going even though it's more likea Paul McCartney & Wings reunion instead of a Beatles reunion because I would like to see EVH & DLR onstage one more time.<<

I don't think it's anything like Macca&Wings vs. Beatles, because
Macca still had his own voice, just different players behind him.
It sounded different musically, but there was that same voice
holding it all together. Did I miss the harmonies with John?
Did I at times miss the arrangements of Lennon and McCartney?
You betcha. But Wings was a WHOLE different deal than what's
happened with Van Hagar.

One thing I am consistently amazed by with classic Van Halen,
is how there is this subtle but VERY important harmony between
Dave's voice and Eddie's guitars. There was and still is a resonance
in Dave's voice that sounds spectacular with an electric guitar that's
being played certain ways. That is, he might sound pretty weird
singing with Burzum or Darkthrone, but he sounds fantastic on
the classic VH albums and in his solo work, especially the
DLR Band album.

Sammy's voice on the other hand has an odd, atonal, extremely
two-dimensional quality to it. His voice does not carry, it does
not shimmer. It's like he's just screeching. My favorite songs
from the Van Hagar albums are the instrumentals on Balance.
It's the only time I could ever sit back and just be glad for the
three musicians that were the rest of classic VH. Without the
screeching, Van Halen is still beautiful. Put that screeching in
there, and ugh, no thanks.

So, to go back to your Beatles reference, having Sam Hagar
front Van Halen is like doing a Beatles Reunion Tour and having
Roseanne Barr (Arnold? whatever) for the lead singer. In fact,
that's the main irritation I had with Gary Cherone, was that
FINALLY we had the chance to have a lead who wasn't Hagar,
and he turned out to be trying (?) to sound just like Sam more
often than not. When he was actually SINGING instead of doing
a Hagar imitation it wasn't bad at all.

Lastly, I will say that the lead singer, if he's involved in the
lyrics and songwriting, makes a huge difference in the
quality of the songs the band plays. To that end, compare
the DLR Band album with *either* VH3 or Balance, and I
think it will become clear that DLR has a gift for writing songs
that are gently profound, overtly humorous, undeniably melodic,
and hands down rock and roll. I feel like when I try to find songs
off the VHgr albums of the last nearly 20 years that don't just make
me cringe, I'm grasping at straws. It's really only the instrumentals
I can take! But then if I listen to DLR Band, I can hear EXACTLY
how that album would have sounded with Michael, Alex, and Eddie.
It's freakin' SAD that it can't be somehow pulled together.

For me, it's not so much that I "hate" Sam Hagar. If he never
would've gotten in VH, I would have never thought of him again.
I never liked his early solo stuff and was simply shocked when
he was invited to join VH. It's kinda like if I had an ex-husband
and he got married but it was to some ugly witch with warts.
It would be like, "You chose THAT?!?!?" It's just appalling how
Eddie van Halen is wasting his talent and in truth, the talent
of three other human beings who all are very capable of making
a sort of music together that is unique in all of rock and roll.

THAT'S why people "hate" Sam Hagar. THAT'S why there's
a rift. It's NOT just a matter of "Can't we all just get along."
To suggest that's the case is totally missing the point.

Respectfully,
SheAintWaiting.