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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49125

    U.S. to Completely Withdraw from Iraq by January

    AP: U.S. drops keeping troops in Iraq

    BAGHDAD (AP) – The U.S. is abandoning plans to keep U.S. troops in Iraq past a year-end withdrawal deadline, The Associated Press has learned. The decision to pull out fully by January will effectively end more than eight years of U.S. involvement in the Iraq war, despite ongoing concerns about its security forces and the potential for instability.

    By Maya Alleruzzo, AP

    The decision to pull out fully by January will effectively end more than eight years of U.S. involvement in the Iraq war.

    The decision ends months of hand-wringing by U.S. officials over whether to stick to a Dec. 31 withdrawal deadline that was set in 2008 or negotiate a new security agreement to ensure that gains made and more than 4,400 American military lives lost since March 2003 do not go to waste.

    In recent months, Washington has been discussing with Iraqi leaders the possibility of several thousand American troops remaining to continue training Iraqi security forces. A Pentagon spokesman said Saturday that no final decision has been reached about the U.S. training relationship with the Iraqi government.

    But a senior Obama administration official in Washington confirmed Saturday that all American troops will leave Iraq except for about 160 active-duty soldiers attached to the U.S. Embassy.

    A senior U.S. military official confirmed the departure and said the withdrawal could allow future but limited U.S. military training missions in Iraq if requested.

    Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

    Throughout the discussions, Iraqi leaders have adamantly refused to give U.S. troops immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, and the Americans have refused to stay without it. Iraq's leadership has been split on whether it wanted American forces to stay. Some argued the further training and U.S. help was vital, particularly to protect Iraq's airspace and gather security intelligence. But others have deeply opposed any American troop presence, including Shiite militiamen who have threatened attacks on any American forces who remain.

    Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has told U.S. military officials that he does not have the votes in parliament to provide immunity to the American trainers, the U.S. military official said.

    A western diplomatic official in Iraq said al-Maliki told international diplomats he will not bring the immunity issue to parliament because lawmakers will not approve it.

    A White House spokesman, Tommy Vietor, said discussions with Iraq about the security relationship between the two countries next year were ongoing.

    Pentagon press secretary George Little said the U.S. remains "committed to keeping our agreement with the Iraqi government to remove all of our troops by the end of this year."

    "At the same time we're building a comprehensive partnership with Iraq under the Strategic Framework Agreement including a robust security relationship, and discussions with the Iraqis about the nature of that relationship are ongoing," Little said.

    The Strategic Framework Agreement allows for other forms of military cooperation besides U.S. troops on the ground. Signed at the same time as the security accord mandating the departure deadlines, it provides outlines for the U.S.-Iraqi relationship in such areas as economic, cultural and security cooperation.

    Iraqi lawmakers excel at last-minute agreements. But with little wiggle room on the immunity issue and the U.S. military needing to move equipment out as soon as possible, a last-minute change between now and December 31 seems almost out of the question.

    Regardless of whether U.S. troops are here or not, there will be a massive American diplomatic presence.

    The U.S. Embassy in Baghdad is the largest in the world, and the State Department will have offices in Basra, Irbil and Kirkuk as well as other locations around the country where contractors will train Iraqi forces on U.S. military equipment they're purchasing.

    About 5,000 security contractors and personnel will be tasked with helping protect American diplomats and facilities around the country, the State Department has said.

    The U.S. Embassy will still have a handful of U.S. Marines for protection and 157 U.S. military personnel in charge of facilitating weapons sales to Iraq. Those are standard functions at most American embassies around the world and would be considered part of the regular embassy staff.

    When the 2008 agreement requiring all U.S. forces leave Iraq was passed, many U.S. officials assumed it would inevitably be renegotiated so that American forces could stay longer.

    The U.S. said repeatedly this year it would entertain an offer from the Iraqis to have a small force stay behind, and the Iraqis said they would like American military help. But as the year wore on and the number of American troops that Washington was suggesting could stay behind dropped, it became increasingly clear that a U.S. troop presence was not a sure thing.

    The issue of legal protection for the Americans was the deal-breaker.

    Iraqis are still angry over incidents such as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal or Haditha, when U.S. troops killed Iraqi civilians in Anbar province, and want American troops subject to Iraqi law.

    American commanders don't want to risk having their forces end up in an Iraqi courtroom if they're forced to defend themselves in a still-hostile environment.

    It is highly unlikely that Iraqi lawmakers would have the time to approve a U.S. troop deal even if they wanted to. The parliament is in recess on its Hajj break until Nov. 20, leaving just a few weeks for legislative action before the end of year deadline.

    Going down to zero by the end of this year would allow both al-Maliki and President Barack Obama to claim victory. Obama will have fulfilled a key campaign promise to end the war and al-Maliki will have ended the American presence in Iraq and restored Iraqi sovereignty.

    The Iraqi prime minister was also under intense pressure from his anti-American allies, the Sadrists, to reject any American military presence.

    An advisor close to al-Maliki said the Americans suggested during negotiations that if no deal is reached in time, U.S. troops could be stationed in Kuwait.

    With the U.S. military presence in Iraq currently at about 41,000 and heading down to zero, almost all of those forces will be flowing out of Iraq into Kuwait and then home or other locations.

    A western expert in Iraq said it is conceivable that if the Iraqi government asks early next year for U.S. troops to return, there will be forces still in Kuwait able to come back and do the job.

    But he stressed that the core problems still remain on the Iraqi side about what types of legal immunity to give the American troops and whether parliament can pass it.

    USAToday.com

    Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    #2
    About fucking time........
    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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    • lesfunk
      Full Member Status

      • Jan 2004
      • 3560

      #3
      Amazing what can get done in an election year
      http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=4448212&t=o GIFSoup

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      • kwame k
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Feb 2008
        • 11302

        #4
        Very cynical but true
        Originally posted by vandeleur
        E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58755

          #5
          Hell, I'm more cynical than that, given the COMPLETE BULLSHIT story that broke a few days ago -the extremely vague and mysterious attempt to connect Iran with "Mexican drug cartels" (on the BCE/CIA payroll), allegedly to kill some Saudi douchebag, so World War III can begin and NuttyYahoo won't have to take the blame for it, despite the fact that he's the fucking piece of shit with a hard-on for killing Iranians.

          Gotta free up the manpower and the weapons for the NEXT useless war that has NOTHING to do with this country.
          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • kwame k
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Feb 2008
            • 11302

            #6
            FORD wins......Cynic of the year.

            Look at how much money that'll save us http://costofwar.com/en/
            Originally posted by vandeleur
            E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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            • sadaist
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jul 2004
              • 11625

              #7
              Originally posted by kwame k
              FORD wins......Cynic of the year.

              Dammit. I didn't even know the nominations had gone out.
              “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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              • sadaist
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Jul 2004
                • 11625

                #8
                Originally posted by FORD
                COMPLETE BULLSHIT story that broke a few days ago -the extremely vague and mysterious attempt to connect Iran with "Mexican drug cartels" (on the BCE/CIA payroll),


                Be careful. Obamas guy Holder is also connected to Mexican drug cartels too. Fast & furious. Seems like those drug cartels have their fingers in a lot of pies right now.
                “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58755

                  #9
                  Fuck Eric Holder. He's been far worse of a disappointment than Obama himself. Elliot Spitzer or John Edwards would have made a far better Attorney General (which is why I don't think either one's "sex scandals" were a coincidence. Not that I absolve either of their stupidity, but why was it suddenly a public issue?)
                  Eat Us And Smile

                  Cenk For America 2024!!

                  Justice Democrats


                  "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                  • Nitro Express
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 32798

                    #10
                    When I heard Obama was sending advisors to Uganda I immediately researched to see if there is oil there. There is and oddly enough, George Soros has interests in energy companies in that region of Africa. I guess we are going to protect George's oil interests more than anything. I never buy the humanitarian, spreading freedom excuse anymore.
                    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32798

                      #11
                      Originally posted by sadaist
                      Be careful. Obamas guy Holder is also connected to Mexican drug cartels too. Fast & furious. Seems like those drug cartels have their fingers in a lot of pies right now.
                      Yeah and they supposedly get Bin Laden and have no proof they did and then the Seal Team responsible for getting him get killed in an accident. Frankly, it all looks like a lie and coverup to me. Nobody trusts this president or his administration anymore. It's starting to look like they are just a bunch of mobsters basically.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • Unchainme
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 7741

                        #12
                        I know this is sounding like a guy wondering if we won a football game or not.

                        but, did we actually win this war? Not sure what the goal was exactly, but I guess we freed their people from an oppressive dictator and put in place some form of a democracy, and we're leaving now under our own free-will not just because we're cutting our losses.

                        Kind of confused now of what to think of this anymore. I mean it made us look like assholes on the international scale in general, but what will people think of this 50 years from now?
                        Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32798

                          #13
                          Iraq was invaded because Saddam was a threat to the US Dollar position as being the world's trade currency. What allowed the Federal Reserve to issue so many dollars with nothing backing them is that the world had to convert their currency into US Dollars in order to buy oil. When Saddam started accepting other currencies for his oil and since Iraq was such a large oil producer, we invaded Iraq.

                          I think the overall goal of the neocons was to use military force to control the world's oil supply. China was becoming too powerful, it would allow the dollar to keep going, and give the US great power to black mail other countries. That is why they wanted to attack Iran and create a situation in the caucuses so they could control the Caspian basin.

                          Where the plan went wrong was Putin tossed the western oil oligarchs out of Russia and Iraq turned out to be a harder country to control than initially thought.

                          It wasn't about restoring democracy it was about oil. As time goes on this period of US history will be known as the petroleum wars. I think many war crimes will start to surface and we may see some people brought to trial. It will be a black mark and known as a very dismal time looking back at it. It will be viewed as a huge waste and the politicians who sold it will be viewed as monsters. One of the most corrupt periods of US history. George W. Bush and Barrack Obama will go into the history books as being the worst presidents in US history. Their actions may also come back to haunt them as the truth comes forward and may be facing international courts and possible jail time. Only deserving for the nazis they are.

                          The only reason we are pulling out of Iraq is Obama knows his chances of re-election will be better if we do so. The overall mission was a failure and the contractors made a lot of money during the past decade. Like Vietnam it takes about a decade to get out but man oh man the money you can make on the war.
                          Last edited by Nitro Express; 10-29-2011, 02:12 AM.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58755

                            #14
                            Well, the BCE themselves might have been motivated by the whole oil/currency thing, but that's not why the authors of PNAC wanted him gone. Their goal was -and still is - to remove anyone from the Middle East who can in any way challenge the military supremacy of Israel. Those Likudist cocksuckers were plotting to get rid of him since NuttyYahoos first term as Israel's PM in 1995.

                            And that's when PNAC's Richard Perle & Douglas Feith, along with several NuttyYahoo advisers and other neocon shitbags created a document called "A Clean Break:
                            A New Strategy for Securing the Realm"
                            which was essentially PNAC agenda 1.0, designed as a manifesto for the NuttyYahoo regime. While the document mentions the Likud obsession with Syria actually more than it does Iraq, it specifically mentions their desire to remove Saddam from power.

                            PNAC then turned around and sent letters to President Clinton and to Congress in 1998. When they failed to provoke either one into another war with Iraq, they decided that they needed to become the US government, in order to implement their murderous plan for global fascism, which would require "a new Pearl Harbor" to kick it into gear.
                            Eat Us And Smile

                            Cenk For America 2024!!

                            Justice Democrats


                            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                            • SunisinuS
                              Crazy Ass Mofo
                              • May 2010
                              • 3302

                              #15
                              Ahh the bankers seem confused:

                              Bank of America is considering softening its controversial policy of charging some customers for making purchases with their debit cards, according to a person familiar with the bank's plans.
                              Can't Control your Future. Can't Control your Friends. The women start to hike their skirts up. I didn't have a clue. That is when I kinda learned how to smile a lot. One Two Three Fouir fun ter thehr fuur.

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