ron paul=awesome/kickass?

[Dr. Love]

Third place last time I checked!

[Pink Spider]

same reason my money's taken from me to pay for your highways. or why our money is taken from us to pay for the military.

i hate to tell you, but you live in a society. it's not a random collection of huts.

The feeling I get is that a lot of people equate libertarianism with anarchism, which is simply not true. There are basic things for a society to function like roads, police, courts and military. It's just how much government we need is where we disagree.

[Nitro Express]

The feeling I get is that a lot of people equate libertarianism with anarchism, which is simply not true. There are basic things for a society to function like roads, police, courts and military. It's just how much government we need is where we disagree.

What people really need to realize is in a democratic republic, the citizens are the government. The politicians are just hired help. Employees if you will. What happened is we became successful and that success made us lazy and apathetic. You can't be that way when you are the boss or your employees will take advantage of you and invite their friends in and loot the place. This is exactly what has happened with this country. People need to grow up and start acting like they own this place again.

[Pink Spider]

Throwing away every regulation and letting the market correct itself has never and will never work!

Then why is China turning into a superpower because of market reforms and deregulation? I'm not saying that their market is completely free by any means, but it just goes to show that deregulation has great economic impact and impact on well being. A lot of these people have went from peasant farmers to middle class in one generation. Markets work. Free markets, more so.

I'm not saying that markets are free from personal responsibility, but what happens if a government controlled industry fails? A lot of people are out of work. What happens in an industry that is deregulated with lots of competition? One company is out of business while there's many more hanging around. A free market is actually overall safer from collapse and more stable.

[Nitro Express]

Regulation is a complicated issue. You have to have some or you end up with monopolies and other abuses in the private sector. But then too much regulation kills commerce. It can turn into a form of tyranny. Right now in the US regulation has taken a strange turn to where the regulators basically work for the corporations who bought up the politicians. So instead of regulating an industry as a whole they leave one company alone to do whatever it wants and then focuses on the competition to run them out of business or make it impossible to compete. I would say that's the sign of a corrupt government and a broken system. It's no longer regulation, it's racketeering.

Government is power period. Historically giving governments too much power usually always end up bad. I think the big mistake we have made and are making is giving the government too much power over our lives. It's into everything now and then if you haven't noticed, it's breaking the supreme law of the land and grabbing more power for itself. It amazes me people still want to give this beast of a government more power when it's clearly shown it's irresponsible and not worthy of such.

[Dr. Love]

I think a lot of people mistake corporatism for free markets, when they are not the same thing.

[Nitro Express]

I think a lot of people mistake corporatism for free markets, when they are not the same thing.

Most people don't understand basic finance or economics. I used to work for a finance company and people just didn't get future value and when you would try and do them a favor and make the total value of the loan quite a bit less they would get pissed and accuse me of trying to rip them off because the amount they paid a month was more. They had no idea how amortization worked. Not a clue.

A corporation is simply a legal entity owned by shareholders. Legally the shareholders are not legally liable for the acts of the corporation. It has nothing to do with the market at all. Corporations can be part of a free market or they can be a monopoly. Capitalism has nothing to do with corporations even though a corporation can participate in capitalism which is owning your own assets and selling products and services in an open and free market. What we have now is not a free market but racketeering and the government itself has merged with the abusers. One set of companies can do whatever the hell they want. There is a revolving door between Washington DC and companies, and the politically connected never go to jail. Barrack Obama participated in real estate price fixing in Chicago. His neighbor who also participated in the fraud got ten years in prison. Timothy Geithner got caught not paying his income tax. Nothing happened to him but then of course he is head of the Treasury Department and that's over the IRS. All sorts of this kind of shit going on in the government that supposed to regulate markets to keep them honest.

[Pink Spider]

What people really need to realize is in a democratic republic, the citizens are the government. The politicians are just hired help. Employees if you will. What happened is we became successful and that success made us lazy and apathetic. You can't be that way when you are the boss or your employees will take advantage of you and invite their friends in and loot the place. This is exactly what has happened with this country. People need to grow up and start acting like they own this place again.

I blame the media. But, I think things are changing thanks to the internet. More people see this stuff going on. A politician like Paul never would have been given the time of day if left to the corporate media alone. He's the internet's candidate and that scares the old media, who picks and chooses who we listen to. Another example of how regulation (the corporate media) works vs a free market (the internet).

[Nitro Express]

The media is obviously bought and paid for. I couldn't find the actual video on You tube. Someone must have removed it but David Rockefeller was actually thanking specific media channels for their cooperation in providing biased news that furthered the multinational corporate agenda. If you read Mr. Rockefeller's memoirs he says it frank. The world would be better ruled by academics and multinational corporate interests than the democratic systems that have been tried. In other words he see's democracy as a huge failure and would like to go back to feudalism ran by a few elites. I guess if you are in the top 1% it's not a bad plan but it sucks if you aren't.

The only video that covers a bit of Mr. Rockefeller's thank you to the media is this conspiracy video.



Ron Paul is the first internet candidate. The establishment Republican media has constantly told people he can't win so don't waste your vote but if you do a little research on your own, Ron Paul is holding his own. The media is trying to scar voters away from him because he threatens the Federal Reserve gravy train. Mitt and Obama will leave the establishment in place. I think they want to get Mitt in there because he's more of a go getter than Obama. I think they didn't get as much done with Obama as they had hoped. George Soros was spot on when he said there isn't much difference between Miit and Barrack. Newt must have made a lot of enemies because none of the heavy hitters and supporting him. Only the freaks like Sarah Palin.

Ron Paul could very well win. He can pull a lot of votes from both sides. He's popular with voters on both sides.

[knuckleboner]

KB, you know those things aren't anywhere near the same as what I'm talking about.

agreed.

i went hyperbole for effect.

but, i still say, in general, ron paul's domestic beliefs (while sincere) take the country more towards the laws of the jungle. there is value to funding social safety net programs. maybe not the exact ones we have now, sure. but overall, i think i benefit from the fact that there isn't a larger section of the population unable to provide for themselves.

[Dr. Love]

[Dr. Love]

agreed.

i went hyperbole for effect.

but, i still say, in general, ron paul's domestic beliefs (while sincere) take the country more towards the laws of the jungle. there is value to funding social safety net programs. maybe not the exact ones we have now, sure. but overall, i think i benefit from the fact that there isn't a larger section of the population unable to provide for themselves.

Not saying I disagree entirely, but I'll pose this question:

How did the nation get by for over a hundred and some odd years without them?

[ELVIS]

They didn't...

The streets were lined with dead bodies with homeless destitutes eating their rotting flesh...

Nanny State programs changed all of that...

[Nitro Express]

When the hounds of hell are unleashed and the world starts to burn, I'm just going to stay frosty.

edit: no full versions of songs until the album is released, turkey!

[ELVIS]

No you didn't Nitro...