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    Homeland Security training TSA workers to save themselves in shooting



    WASHINGTON, January 26, 2012 ― Transportation Security Administration (TSA) checkpoint screeners are receiving training to prepare them for the possibility of a mass shooting at one of the agency’s airport checkpoints, and those TSA personnel are being instructed to “save themselves” should a shooting occur.

    It is unclear whether the TSA is conducting the reported mass shooting scenario training at airports around the nation or only at the airport where our source, a veteran of the TSA, is assigned. The TSA source claims with obvious concern that his own life, along with the lives of other unarmed TSA personnel, would be in grave danger were an airport checkpoint shooting to unfold.

    The TSA screener, who claims to have recently undergone agency training during which TSA personnel were confronted with a chilling checkpoint shooting scenario, now tries to remain aware of how to get out alive were such a shooting to unfold.

    “Every day when I arrive for work, I look for an escape route in case someone opens fire,” said the TSA worker. “We have been told to save ourselves.”

    Does the TSA already have intelligence about a possible future checkpoint shooting?

    It is unclear whether the alleged training is simply a prudent attempt by the agency to protect its own employees from every imaginable contingency. Fears are that the Department of Homeland Security has detected a threat and is already moving to prepare staff to either handle it or get out of the way.

    Considering the full range of possible reasons for the alleged TSA training, it would be hard to say whether the agency actually expects a checkpoint shooting.

    The events surrounding the Christmas Day 2009 “underwear bomber” incident, however, provide reason to pay close attention to the details of Homeland Security’s operations.

    Shortly after the “underwear bomber” attempted to detonate an explosive device onboard Northwest Airlines flight 253, an Airbus A330 flying into Detroit from Amsterdam, a witness who saw the bomber board the flight approached the FBI with information about the events that day. His information suggests that the U.S. Government knew that 23-year-old Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was a threat to air safety, and that it may even have taken steps to assure that the bomber actually got on board the flight.

    Michigan attorney Kurt Haskell, a 2012 Democratic Congressional candidate who lost to incumbent Tim Walberg (R-MI), stated by way of a Victim Impact Statement during Abdulmutallab’s sentencing hearing in federal court that while he and his wife Lori waited to board the flight in Amsterdam, he observed a well-dressed man help the bomber board the flight without a passport.

    Haskell is convinced that “a federal agent gave Abdulmutallab a defective bomb to carry onto the plane to create an incident that would cause the government to install full body scanners at airports nationwide,” according to USAToday.

    "Regardless of how media and government try to shape this case, I am convinced that Umar was given an intentionally defective bomb by a U.S. agent,” Haskell says.

    Haskell’s account of the events in Amsterdam was originally reported in the Detroit News.

    Reached by phone on Friday, Haskell said that the alleged TSA training for a checkpoint shooting “doesn’t surprise me at all” and voiced fears that the government might be involved in such an incident.

    “As a first-hand eyewitness to a proven false flat attack, I know that the government does stage fake attacks to further governmental policy,” Haskell said.

    Patrick F. Kennedy, Undersecretary of State for Management, told the House Committee on Homeland Security on January 27, 2010, that Abdulmutallab’s visa was not revoked by the State Department due to a national security override from within the intelligence and law enforcement community related to a larger al-Qaeda investigation.

    The name of the agency was not publicly disclosed during the hearing and implications were left unexplained.

    Haskell observes, “An airport is the perfect place setting to stage their play.”

    "Terrorism" is defined as the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion. Haskell believes that the government is willing to and has already terrorized the American public by staging fictitious attacks to coerce the acceptance of new government policies.

    Extrapolating on that scenario, the acceptance by the public and members of Congress of new gun restrictions would constitute only the latest policy initiative pursued through a program based on the implementation of terror.

    While in France, President Obama authorized the use of an autopen to sign into law the extension of three key components of the USA PATRIOT Act on May 26, 2011.

    Were another major shooting to unfold in the midst of congressional debate over additional gun control legislation, such as Diane Feinstein’s proposed assault weapons ban, the ensuing crisis could sway wavering members of Congress to support the new gun restrictions.

    The TSA employee who disclosed the existence of the checkpoint shooting training, when asked about the possibility that TSA personnel were being set up for a staged checkpoint shooting, responded “I hope the government wouldn’t do something like that.”

    TSA screeners are not sworn law enforcement officers, and unlike airport police officers, do not carry firearms.

    The primary mission of the TSA is to protect commercial aircraft and the passengers travelling on them from terrorism threats.

    TSA checkpoints separate airport “sterile” areas in close proximity to aircraft – where only ticketed passengers, airport workers, and airline crews are permitted – from “nonsterile” areas accessible to all members of the general public. Nonsterile areas typically include airline ticketing and car rental counters, baggage claim belts, and passenger pick-up and drop-off zones.

    TSA screeners at the checkpoints look for weapons, explosives, and suspicious travelers who could present a threat to an aircraft, but like everyone else at airports around the country, they count on airport police for armed protection.

    Airport police officers, often under the supervision of a city or county law enforcement agency within the municipality where the airport is located, provide armed protection at large airports and have full powers to detain and arrest individuals.

    Airport police officers are typically required to have graduated from a police academy, where cadets undergo firearms training,

    TSA “officers” wear badges and law enforcement style uniforms, but are not sworn law enforcement officers and initially receive only about 80 hours of new-hire training.

    Last June, the House of Representatives voted 131-282 against an amendment to the Department of Homeland Security Bill that would have blocked DHS from spending money on official-looking uniforms.

    Arming TSA checkpoint workers who are not sworn law enforcement officers would likely elicit backlash from some of the travelling public and from members of Congress who view current TSA screening procedures as overly invasive, and in some instances reaching the threshold of criminal sexual assault as defined by state laws.

    A previously unheard of TSA “all-stop” airport freeze drill become widely known after video of a drill being conducted at Phoenix’s Sky Harbor Airport emerged on YouTube in September 2012. During the drill, passengers were ordered to “stay right where you are” after passing through the checkpoint.

    On October 1, 2012, Arizona radio station KTAR quoted TSA spokesman Nico Melendez saying, “they use ‘all-stop drills’ to help prepare employees for a security breach ... They're called in case something happens at the checkpoint where we need to have everyone stop to be able to identify a problem or an issue.”

    Because TSA checkpoint workers have no authority to detain people, however, it appears that passengers would not have actually been required to “freeze” unless ordered to do so by law enforcement.

    A mass shooting at a TSA checkpoint would not only be a tragedy for the families of those passengers and TSA workers killed, but would likely lead to even more calls for gun control measures, as well as discussions of arming TSA workers, propositions that would likely face stiff resistance.

    As Americans grow increasingly fatigued by their experiences at TSA checkpoints, there have been calls from some quarters to scale back or eliminate the agency altogether.



    Last edited by ELVIS; 01-27-2013, 01:09 PM.

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    Do Not Fly: the Feds May Be Planning a Massacre at Checkpoint Lines

    Lew Rockwell Blog

    "I'm not certain whether The Washington Times considers itself mainstream media, and, if it does, whether anyone else agrees. But it contains a lengthy warning that the Fedcoats may be plotting a "mass shooting" at one of the TSA's checkpoints, a la Newtown or the movie-theater in Colorado. Why would Our Rulers murder more of us? Because another massacre "would likely lead to even more calls for gun control measures, as well as discussions of arming TSA workers..."

    The writer bases his story on a report from a "TSA source" who says he and his fellow gropers "are being instructed to 'save themselves' instead of attempting to protect passengers." Good: those inept bozos scrambling to escape rather than pestering passengers gives the latter the best chance of surviving. "It is unclear whether the TSA is conducting this training at airports around the nation or only at the airport where the source, a veteran of the agency, is assigned. Expressing fear bordering on extreme distress, the TSA source claims that his life, along with the lives of other unarmed TSA personnel, would be in grave danger were an airport checkpoint shooting to unfold." Yeah, what a pity to take out Thieves and Sexual Assailants when perfectly good passengers are milling about.

    Of course, this is the scenario that many genuine experts in security -- as opposed to the charlatans at the TSA -- have predicted for years: that bad guys will attack the hundreds of people whom the TSA delays in long, vulnerable lines. And it is yet another proof that the agency actually endangers, rather than protects, passengers; politician of even minimal decency and concern for their constituents would abolish the TSA rather than annually stealing our money to finance its depredations on us.

    At any rate, if gate-rape and games of sexual humiliation and dominance at the government's checkpoints are not enough to keep you from flying, perhaps the suspicion that the serial killers in office hope to slaughter yet more innocents will."



    Last edited by ELVIS; 01-27-2013, 01:40 PM.

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    • #3
      some are suspicious about Pearl Harbor, some think the twin towers fell conveniently straight down like a demolition or something ..

      some folk think a lot about stuff

      It really doesn't mater what happened in the past, the past is behind us & it is done - what matters is what happens next and how a nation responds

      I did read a funny quote "it is too late to change the system from within and too early to shoot the bastids"

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      • #4
        So, when this bullshit doesn't happen like nearly everything Alex Jones and his crew of conspiracy fuckwits predict, does this mean you'll admit you're wrong and listen to conspiratorial idiots?
        Last edited by Nickdfresh; 01-27-2013, 03:30 PM.

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        • #5
          Yeah, like that'll ever happen, Nick... "pay no attention to the crazy behind the curtain!"
          Originally posted by conmee
          If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

          That is all.

          Icon.
          Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
          I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


          Originally posted by Isaac R.
          Then it's really true??:eek:

          The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

          OMFG...who in their right mind...???
          Originally posted by eddie78
          I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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          • #6
            Alex Jones fantasies all aside, it's not out of the question that SOME of these TSA glorified rent-a-cops/failed to become actual cops are fully capable of going nuts. Last time I flew into Tucson I had to deal with the same asshole both flying in and out. The guy was all of 5'4" so he obviously made the point of singling out the tallest guy he could find to make him "respect his authoritah" even though I obviously bear no resemblance whatsoever to a "muslim terraist". I could easily have seen this fool flip his lid with a gun.
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            • #7
              I hate flying now.. I hate those fucking body scanners and I hate the TSA. They're both completely useless. It really should make any intelligent person question what the hell it's all about.
              Originally posted by wiseguy
              That shit will welcome you in the morning and pour the milk in your count chocula for ya.

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              • #8
                Well, the good news there is that the Chertoff porno scanners will be gone by June. And Chertoff should be forced to reimburse every airport that had one of the useless cancerous things. And arguably everyone scanned by one of them, though that would have to be one hell of a class action suit.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by VAiN View Post
                  I hate flying now.. I hate those fucking body scanners and I hate the TSA. They're both completely useless. It really should make any intelligent person question what the hell it's all about.
                  The important point to make is if enough people hate them then we should be able to organize a push to get rid of them. If everyone wrote and called their representatives in Washington DC and they got hit with a big wave of piss, that turns things more than anything. Sheep get sheared. The government behaves the way it does because it can get away with it. Simple as that. If you don't like it, then tell them. If enough people don't like it, there's power there.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FORD View Post
                    Alex Jones fantasies all aside, it's not out of the question that SOME of these TSA glorified rent-a-cops/failed to become actual cops are fully capable of going nuts. Last time I flew into Tucson I had to deal with the same asshole both flying in and out. The guy was all of 5'4" so he obviously made the point of singling out the tallest guy he could find to make him "respect his authoritah" even though I obviously bear no resemblance whatsoever to a "muslim terraist". I could easily have seen this fool flip his lid with a gun.
                    My brother in law has been a commercial pilot his whole adult life. He's going to be retiring here soon but he told me he used to fly illegal aliens back to Mexico out of Las Vegas. He said one of these government super cop guys mentioned he couldn't wait for the day. He asked the guy the day for what? Super cop said the day one of those SOB's does something to where I can shoot them and he said that while putting his hand on his sidearm. It gave my brother in law the chills.

                    He has to go through TSA screens as well. They drive him nuts. He said one day they squeezed out a brand new tube of toothpaste saying it could be dangerous. He said I fly the plane and on the bulkhead of the cockpit we have a loaded firearm. You are worried about my toothpaste thinking I'm dangerous?
                    Last edited by Nitro Express; 01-27-2013, 06:08 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nitro Express View Post
                      My brother in law has been a commercial pilot his whole adult life. He's going to be retiring here soon but he told me he used to fly illegal aliens back to Mexico out of Las Vegas. He said one of these government super cop guys mentioned he couldn't wait for the day. He asked the guy the day for what? Super cop said the day one of those SOB's does something to where I can shoot them and he said that while putting his hand on his sidearm. It gave my brother in law the chills.

                      He has to go through TSA screens as well. They drive him nuts. He said one day they squeezed out a brand new tube of toothpaste saying it could be dangerous. He said I fly the plane and on the bulkhead of the cockpit we have a loaded firearm. You are worried about my toothpaste thinking I'm dangerous?
                      Some of them are thick as shit.

                      If I was Al-Queda I would put a stick of dynamite up my ass and go through security and make sure they caught me.

                      That way because of the retarded reactive way airport security works, everyone getting on planes from then on would have to get an finger up their asshole which has to be a huge win for them surely?

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                      • #12
                        That all depends on what the "terrorist's" definition of the word win is...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Seshmeister View Post
                          Some of them are thick as shit.

                          If I was Al-Queda I would put a stick of dynamite up my ass and go through security and make sure they caught me.

                          That way because of the retarded reactive way airport security works, everyone getting on planes from then on would have to get an finger up their asshole which has to be a huge win for them surely?
                          I don't know about the UK but here one of the main responsibilities of the government is to keep our borders secure. That duty falls on the US President. They crack down on grandmothers and kids at the airports but leave the border security really lax and not only that, they got caught arming the drug bandits that have killed our border security officers. There is something wrong with that picture. The first thing you secure is the borders. You aren't strolling into Israel from Egypt. If you are on the beach past a certain time and in the wrong area, they shoot first and ask questions later. But then at the airport, There is no TSA taking nude scans of your wife or feeling up grandma. They do their background checks and profiling and do a good job of keeping out of your way. If someone gets flagged for being a danger, then they do something and the average person in the airport probably doesn't even see it go on. The average person should be treated like a human being and not a criminal.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • #14
                            Funnily enough I remember flying international a few weeks after 9-11 and the only flight that left on time was the El AL one.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Seshmeister View Post
                              Funnily enough I remember flying international a few weeks after 9-11 and the only flight that left on time was the El AL one.
                              ElAl knows their shit when it comes to this sort of thing because they have been doing it longer than anybody. I'm not exactly endorsing their methods, because it's obviously based on profiling Muslims, but at least they do it in a way that uses targeted questions and "psychological profiling" as opposed to groping and radiation.
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