Guns N Roses 2016??

[Seshmeister]

He should have worn a fucking alarm clock on his head to remind Bailey when it was time to go onstage.

[Jetstream]

I saw them on the Use Your Illusion tour in Austin, TX and they where really good. I still do not get the whole hype concerning them because they really only had two LPs that one could consider legit long players. I think the music at the time got so polished and generic that as stated it was a breath of fresh air and a really good band (hey, "Appetite For Destruction" was one hell of a debut) like them was instantly then considered legendary but in retrospective they have gotten more notoriety with less material than any band ever formed... unless your Hagar and you think Montrose was the equal of Zeppelin in importance which they where not lol

[Seshmeister]

[Terry]

I saw them on the Use Your Illusion tour in Austin, TX and they where really good. I still do not get the whole hype concerning them because they really only had two LPs that one could consider legit long players. I think the music at the time got so polished and generic that as stated it was a breath of fresh air and a really good band (hey, "Appetite For Destruction" was one hell of a debut) like them was instantly then considered legendary but in retrospective they have gotten more notoriety with less material than any band ever formed... unless your Hagar and you think Montrose was the equal of Zeppelin in importance which they where not lol

I think a lot of that sort of instant legendary status was heaped on Guns and Roses by some simply out of a desire to see a band that broke big when we were coming of age BE a legendary band, instead of having to listen to legendary bands who were long gone.

I mean, shit, by the time 1987 rolled around any chances of The Beatles, The Stones or The Who doing anything approaching their peaks were a non-starter, due to deaths and/or the wear and tear of aging (or both, in the case of The Stones and The Who). Far as American rock bands went, the only two acts that had emerged post-1973 and really reached those iconic heights were KISS, Aerosmith and Van Halen. Van Halen were (for all intents and purposes) defunct by the time 1987 rolled around, Aerosmith were 'collaborating' with Run-DMC and getting ready to sell their souls for power ballad success and KISS were busy being 2nd rate Bon Jovi clones. Metallica hadn't broke big yet. I mean, in 1987, who was going to be vaulted up onto the legendary rock band mantle? Poison? Huey Lewis and the News?

So Guns released a great album at just the right time. Then somehow a few years later when the Illusions releases come out, they've already been put up on that legendary rock band pedestal. Problem is, they didn't have the depth of a body of excellent work all those other legendary rock bands have. They really only had two albums' worth of great material, when you boil it all down.

[cadaverdog]

A lot of people were calling GNR "the real deal" before The Use Your Illusion albums were debuted. They could have been but Axls antics fucked that up. I kept hoping someone would call him out and beat the shit out of him when he was playing Billy bad ass.

[DLR Bridge]

Another thing that put people off about Illusion's songs were Axhole getting too heady with his lyrics. Part of the charm, if you will, of the Appetite batch of tunes was that it allowed the listener to live vicariously through the lives of the reigning princes of sleeze rock. Once they had been kinged, they served up drivel like Don't Cry, November Rain, Estranged, Yesterdays and a handful of other mellow dramatic snoozers. Even the lumbering Civil War only impresses with its rhythms and tones. Does anyone really care to know what he's saying during the parts where it is borderline gibberish? Not me. Locomotive is probably the only thing I care to hear every now and then from that whole collection.

They greatly diminished their reckless attitude when they replaced "Your Daddy works in porno now that Mommy's not around" with "Nothing lasts forever, in the cold November rayeeehaiin". The former is infinitely more gripping.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Make it double.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

I think a lot of that sort of instant legendary status was heaped on Guns and Roses by some simply out of a desire to see a band that broke big when we were coming of age BE a legendary band, instead of having to listen to legendary bands who were long gone.

I mean, shit, by the time 1987 rolled around [...] .

I agree. Both "Appetite" and "Use your illusion" (#1 above all) were great.

But The Cult released a great one too in '87 ("Electric"), the '89 follow up was great too ("Sonic Temple") and "Ceremony" ('91) was very good. OK, the Cult were never as rock 'n' roll as G'n'R were, and Ian Astbury is fuckingly egocentric (a real "culnt" in some ways), yet musically they brought up some inspired stuff and an original rock sound.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

I remember catching a New York concert from the Stones' '89 Steel Wheels Tour the following year on TV - I saw them (the Stones) in Paris the following year.

It's funny how the Keith throws a dark look of his in the end of the song, pointing at Rose and Stradlin (who was great BTW, and very humble, which of course Axhole wasn't - humble, I mean, how he's prancing about...) to go off the stage.

[cadaverdog]

I caught that. Right at the end he points at Axl and makes the get the fuck outta here gesture.

[Terry]

Another thing that put people off about Illusion's songs were Axhole getting too heady with his lyrics. Part of the charm, if you will, of the Appetite batch of tunes was that it allowed the listener to live vicariously through the lives of the reigning princes of sleeze rock. Once they had been kinged, they served up drivel like Don't Cry, November Rain, Estranged, Yesterdays and a handful of other mellow dramatic snoozers. Even the lumbering Civil War only impresses with its rhythms and tones. Does anyone really care to know what he's saying during the parts where it is borderline gibberish? Not me. Locomotive is probably the only thing I care to hear every now and then from that whole collection.

They greatly diminished their reckless attitude when they replaced "Your Daddy works in porno now that Mommy's not around" with "Nothing lasts forever, in the cold November rayeeehaiin". The former is infinitely more gripping.

Like, literally, Locomotive is the only track I listen to off of either of the Illusions albums now.

I cringe just thinking about how lame Get In The Ring was.

Pretty Tied Up was kinda kewl. Yesterdays was a good track, but not necessarily something I was dying to hear a band like Guns do. Their cover of Knocking On Heavens door was lame. Civil War, as you said, had a lot of neat musical ideas but in the end the tune was overlong and a bit overdone. Estranged was okay, but also overlong. Don't Cry was okay, but also overlong. All of those tunes were almost too orchestrated. You'd expect that from November Rain, I suppose, but on the Illusions albums suddenly piano and keyboards are having prominent musical passages. The stripped down charm of Appetite, and the essence of the band, was lost. It was too much of a self-conscious attempt by Axl to make some massive, career-defining double album statement as opposed to a collection of great hard-edged rock and roll tunes that just flowed well together. The band were just trying too hard on the Illusions albums to match up to the hype surrounding them, and while there's nothing wrong with a band overreaching in the end it's only acceptable if it works well. More than a few of the Illusions tracks to my ears had flashes of brilliance, but precious few of them had those flashes sustained for an entire song much less an entire album like Appetite.

Lyrically, Locomotive is the only track from the albums that is of interest to me. Overall, Locomotive is the only track that stands up REALLY well alongside the Appetite stuff.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

When the rumors were first starting about a reunion, the word was that the prices were going to be exorbitant....

Under the assumption the tour will be mostly stadiums, I'm gonna be really interested to see how much they're gonna charge for those nosebleeds wayyyyyyyyy up there....

[DONNIEP]

Achwel is wearing a 20,000 dollar watch and 15 bucks worth of cheap pewter jewelry from the Hot Topic. That alone makes him one of the biggest douche bags on the planet. I mean, aside from the fact that he's Achwel Rose.

I wouldn't pay three American dollars to see one of these shows even IF they would give me unlimited FREE Beerz.





Ok, so I lied. They give me FREE Beerz and I'll go. But I won't like it. At least not until the ninth beer.

[Seshmeister]

They greatly diminished their reckless attitude when they replaced "Your Daddy works in porno now that Mommy's not around" with "Nothing lasts forever, in the cold November rayeeehaiin". The former is infinitely more gripping.

I believe that November Rain was already written in time to be on Appetite but they decided that one slower song(SCOM) was enough for the album.

[Terry]

When the rumors were first starting about a reunion, the word was that the prices were going to be exorbitant....

Under the assumption the tour will be mostly stadiums, I'm gonna be really interested to see how much they're gonna charge for those nosebleeds wayyyyyyyyy up there....

I'd have serious doubts that Guns and Roses could headline an actual football stadium tour, charge top prices for tickets and come even close to filling a 50,000 + seat venue. Unless they're doing a very limited run of cities and doing a single date per stadium, and the stadiums themselves are in areas that have several major cities within a couple hundred miles or so.

I mean, I could be wrong...are there THAT many people out there clamoring for a Guns and Roses reunion?