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[Nickdfresh]

Carter made us look like pussies by not doing enough to get our people back. That's fine if you're a pacifist liberal but it's not fine with me. In the end the hostages survived but now every piss ant country in the world wants to try us. Too bad the Iranians didn't back down and give Ronnie Raygun an excuse to kick their camel loving asses.

Not doing enough? He sent in a massive, logistically impossible rescue mission that would have been a bloodbath had it gone off. What fucking more was he to have done?

Um, dummy, Reagan colluded with the Iranians on several occasions and watched them kill 250 Marines in Beirut...

[cadaverdog]

Not doing enough? He sent in a massive, logistically impossible rescue mission that would have been a bloodbath had it gone off. What fucking more was he to have done?

Um, dummy, Reagan colluded with the Iranians on several occasions and watched them kill 250 Marines in Beirut...

He oked one mission so complex it was doomed to fail from the get go. Since Ayatolla Khomeini was HCJIC, head camel jockey in charge, Carter could have issued an ultimatum to him to release our people unharmed or face the consequences. As far as I know he never did.
As far as Reagan and the Iranians making deals that lead to the hostages being released when they did is speculation not fact. Another source claimed Iran waited till Reagan took charge because of their hatred for Carter for letting the Shah come here.
Don't know where you come up with this Reagan watched them kill those Marines and others in 83. We'll never know if he did something about it or not.

[cadaverdog]

In a logical and just world, that is exactly what would happen. But we haven't had such a world since December 12, 2000, so I can't invest a lot of hope in that.

Little melodramatic don't you think?

[FORD]

Little melodramatic don't you think?

Well, actually I should have said November 22, 1963, because that was obviously the true beginning of the toilet spiral. It's just that 12/12/2000 is when they dropped the pretense altogether and even so-called "Democrats" like the Clintons began to embrace fascism openly.

[cadaverdog]

Well, actually I should have said November 22, 1963, because that was obviously the true beginning of the toilet spiral. It's just that 12/12/2000 is when they dropped the pretense altogether and even so-called "Democrats" like the Clintons began to embrace fascism openly.

When Kanye West and his family of freaks leave town for good maybe you can hitch a ride with them to the new Utopia.

[DONNIEP]

When Kanye West and his family of freaks leave town for good maybe you can hitch a ride with them to the new Utopia.

I can't stand that guy. He has to be the single biggest idiot on the planet. And his tennis shoes suck ass.

[Nickdfresh]

He oked one mission so complex it was doomed to fail from the get go. Since Ayatolla Khomeini was HCJIC, head camel jockey in charge, Carter could have issued an ultimatum to him to release our people unharmed or face the consequences. As far as I know he never did.
As far as Reagan and the Iranians making deals that lead to the hostages being released when they did is speculation not fact. Another source claimed Iran waited till Reagan took charge because of their hatred for Carter for letting the Shah come here.
Don't know where you come up with this Reagan watched them kill those Marines and others in 83. We'll never know if he did something about it or not.

He didn't "oked" anything. The planners and the JCS did! There was no simple way to get them back with out killing most every one. The speculation has largely been confirmed. Carter had nothing to do with the Shah, he was there since Ike put him back on the throne. They hated all America, not just Carter!

[cadaverdog]

He didn't "oked" anything. The planners and the JCS did! There was no simple way to get them back with out killing most every one. The speculation has largely been confirmed. Carter had nothing to do with the Shah, he was there since Ike put him back on the throne. They hated all America, not just Carter!

He was the commander in chief and he didn't OK a rescue mission of that importance? Carter let the Shah come here for cancer treatment after he fled Iran and refused to turn him over to the Iranian government to stand trial for crimes he committed against Iranian citzens while he was their leader. That was their main bitch. Saying Carter had nothing to do with it utter nonsense.

[Nickdfresh]

He was the commander in chief and he didn't OK a rescue mission of that importance?

He not only OK'ed it he tasked it. He didn't plan it...

Carter let the Shah come here for cancer treatment after he fled Iran and refused to turn him over to the Iranian government to stand trial for crimes he committed against Iranian citzens while he was their leader. That was their main bitch. Saying Carter had nothing to do with it utter nonsense.

So? They took our hostages but we're supposed to return the cunt Shah? Are you on crack?

Did any Islamists in Iran stand trial for their atrocities?

[cadaverdog]

He not only OK'ed it he tasked it. He didn't plan it...



So? They took our hostages but we're supposed to return the cunt Shah? Are you on crack?

Did any Islamists in Iran stand trial for their atrocities?

You just flip flopped like a dead fish. Here's what you just said:

He didn't "oked" anything. The planners and the JCS did! There was no simple way to get them back with out killing most every one. The speculation has largely been confirmed. Carter had nothing to do with the Shah, he was there since Ike put him back on the throne. They hated all America, not just Carter!

If he OKed it and it failed he failed.

[cadaverdog]

I can't stand that guy. He has to be the single biggest idiot on the planet. And his tennis shoes suck ass.

He only has one facial expression. The I'm pissed off at the whole world look.

[cadaverdog]

Did any Islamists in Iran stand trial for their atrocities?

All the dead ones. But I've heard some of them wave those rights and go straight to hell.

[Seshmeister]

I thought after that Hollywood movie the US history with Iran would have filtered down more by now.

Okdokie maybe not.

What actually happened is that in 1953 the US backed by the UK overthrew the elected democratic Iranian government and replaced it with a twat dictator.

This isn't opinion, this is just plain what happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

In August 2013, 60 years after, the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) admitted that it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda. The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government.

After the hostages were taken as Nick says, your best military minds came up with the rescue plan and it all went horribly wrong. He rolled the dice on a daring raid.

Some bad luck and some fuck ups and so on but is that really Carter's fault? Does that make him a pussy?

[cadaverdog]

What actually happened is that in 1953 the US backed by the UK overthrew the elected democratic Iranian government and replaced it with a twat dictator.

This isn't opinion, this is just plain what happened.
After the hostages were taken as Nick says, your best military minds came up with the rescue plan and it all went horribly wrong. He rolled the dice on a daring raid.

Some bad luck and some fuck ups and so on but is that really Carter's fault? Does that make him a pussy?

Never disputed the first part. We did shit like that. Works out ok for a bit then it goes to hell in a hand basket.
The plan was built to fail. Mr Peanut should have recognized that and stopped it before it started. But he was too busy lusting in his heart.
As for the last part I said his inaction made this country look like pussies. If Khomeini had asked the captors to release the hostages they would have. If Iran hadn't released the hostages when they did do you think Reagan would have just sat back and let the next president handle it? There would be no Isis now. No Syrian refugees nothing but oil, sand and radiation.

[Nickdfresh]

You just flip flopped like a dead fish. Here's what you just said:

He didn't "oked" anything. The planners and the JCS did! There was no simple way to get them back with out killing most every one. The speculation has largely been confirmed. Carter had nothing to do with the Shah, he was there since Ike put him back on the throne. They hated all America, not just Carter!

If he OKed it and it failed he failed.

I didn't understand what the fuck you were saying.. It's OK'ed, not oked...

But you flip flopped actually, because you said Carter just "let" them take 50 hostages. He didn't.