Federal Judge Rules ObamaCare Unconstitutional

[ace diamond]

I still see that in Southern CA. Go to any hospital emergency room and it is full of illegal immigrants with a cold.

no fucking shit!
everytime i go to the fucking doctors office here in riverside, which sadly is every couple of months because of my weight/health,
i get there 15-30 minutes before my appointment time to check in, and i wind up getting called in for my appointment
an hour or few later than i was scheduled to bee seen.
the emergency room is fucking clogged with shit like this too.
i found that out friday night.
i was on my way home from a friends' house a few blocks away, and about a block from home,
being that i live in a predominantly hispanic area where most of the people here are fucking illegals,
and i was jumped by a group of neo-nazi fascist skinhead aryan peckerwood brotherhood assclowns!
i got worked over pretty fucking good too.
fuckers even stole my damned glasses.
i had to shell out $202.96 today to have a new pair made, and for new frames.
i gave the best possible description to riverside police dept, even some of their names, and where at least one of them lives.
no arrests have been made, and i've been carrying a knife on me anytime i've had to leave home since friday night.
the posts i have made over the weekend, i sat very close to the cpu screen, and i was on plenty of vicodin starting
saturday evening.
i have been to rpd, i have been to riverside county da's office.
unfortunately, these things take time because there is a lot of proper procedural protocol
that must be done right, and in the right sequencial order, otherwise it's all a total wasted effort.

[Hardrock69]

Originally Posted by Hardrock69:
Insurance companies should be outlawed.

That's stupid...

Of course it is!

It will never happen and I don't actually want it to happen, either!

[Seshmeister]

Louisiana maintains a Charity hospital system that serves the state quite well...

Yeah that's the system we used to have - in the 1800s.

[Blaze]

Yes, changes need to be made to the healthcare system, administration-wise. There's no denying that.

There are good parts in the current bill, but most of it is bullshit, designed eventually to lead to a government run system. You don't want that, trust me. Does the government do anything well, besides our armed forces? Think about that.

I see first hand with my job how the government handles things with Medicare and Medicaid. You think that private insurance is greedy, you haven't met Uncle Sam. Most of the denials I get in my office for various treatments/tests for patients are from bean counters or their policies, not doctors.

With most private insurance we accept, it is much easier to find a work-around for, say for a doctor requested MRI, than it is with the government.

Sometimes I regret switching jobs several years ago, and would rather go back to the IT world.

It's not easy explaining to a senior citizen (or usually their doctor) that Medicare has either denied their treatment or they're on the hook for 20% of a $6,800 MRI.

to find a work-around - code word for committing fraud.

BBB, when your employer gets busted fro fraud, the excuse my boss made me do it will not cover you.
If your company is committing fraud, you need to report them.

http://www.whistleblowers.gov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower#USA

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Kill_the_messenger:_whistleblowers_and_cover-ups

10 Tips to Prevent Fraud

Never give your -------- number to anyone, except your doctor or other Medicare provider.

Don’t allow anyone, except your ------- providers, to review your medical records or recommended services.

Don’t contact your doctor to request a service that you do not need.

Don’t ask your doctor to make false entries on prescriptions, bills, or records in order to get ------ to pay.

Don’t accept medical supplies from a door-to-door salesman.

Do be careful in accepting ------- services that are represented as being free.

Do be cautious when you are offered free testing or screening in exchange for your ------- card number.

Do be cautious of any provider who states he or she has been endorsed by the -------- or by --------.

Do avoid a provider of healthcare items or services who tells you that the item or service is not usually covered, but they know how to bill ------- to get it paid.

Do use a calendar to track your appointments, admission and discharge dates, and what tests or X-rays you get, and compare this with the --------- you receive.

[Blaze]

Profit and greed are not the same thing. Profit breeds excellence.

FORD, do you believe in our free-market economic system?

Would you actually want your doctor making only $100,000 a year?

Greed is a derivative of unregulated profit.
How do you plan to regulate greed?

[Nickdfresh]

The near misses, particularly on the tarmac, would horrify you.

No more than I'm occasionally terrified on the largely unsupervised highway, and probably have a much lower chance of dying while flying...

The flu kills 20,000 people in this country annually. It would be alot less if CDC did their damn job.

What could the CDC do better? How many would die if they were shut down like some Tea Party anarchist nuts might actually advocate?

Remember the bank bailouts?

You mean the ones that prevented a total meltdown of the economic system? Yeah.

Remember the highway bridge that collapsed in MN recently? Yeah, our infrastructure is doing really well.

Gee, I wonder why that happens? Could it be that by rampant clamoring for constant tax cuts based on right wing political posturing and the underfunding of gov't, we've mis-prioritized fundamentals like the electric grid and infrastructure, thereby ultimately increasing long term costs in repairs and non-proactive reaction to crisis's?

Look at all the health violations at your closest meat-packing plant. Go ahead, they're online.

Right. Another minor crisis brought to you by the "smaller gov't," "cut taxes always," "privatize everything," "let big business police themselves" idiots who've led to a reduction in services--including a drastic per capita reduction in the number of meat inspectors since the 1970s. You know, Brian? mindless teabagger-Republicans like you. The ones that hate gov't, claim it never works. Then they chronically underfund it or rely on deficit spending to prove themselves right. Rinse. Repeat...

Not federal but State govt

Yes, which can make things even more inefficient since we often have 50 different codes, standards, and sets of laws...

You actually think private companies couldn't do a better job for alot less money? You are deluded.

You mean like when we outsourced war and hired expensive, overpaid mercenaries (Blackwater) to send to Iraq in an effort insulate Americans from the true cost of war in terms of blood and treasure so to make it far more politically feasible to fight? How'd that workout? In fact, the U.S. spends far more on a smaller all-volunteer military augmented by a legion of highly paid civilian workers performing functions that now dead MOS' filled by lowly paid draftees once did. But please Brian, please regall us with all those examples of how private, for profit corporations are always inherently more efficient that have no vested interest in bettering mankind beyond getting paid. Because I can provide several where corp's are actually very repressive and retrograde, beginning with the shining example of the mode of our discourse--THE INTERNET!!! If private corp's had controlled the world wide web by parceling it out via faux copyright laws and ONLY working for profit, it never would have made it out of the domain of a very expensive novelty and communications network...

Secondly, the example of private space flight, still in its infancy, is also just a fraud. If it had not been for gov't funded projects such as DARPA, or NASA and its forerunners, huge corporations like Apple and Microsoftee might not exist as it was through massive gov't spending that the microchip was invented...

[Nickdfresh]

Damn straight. I want to know who the Goldman Sachs and General Electric of the health insurance companies wrote the bill. Everyone figured Obama was this big socialist guy and he would sign a good socialist bill. Instead he signed something Dick Chenney would love.

Baby steps...

BTW, there's certainly a middle ground between jackal, corporatist pandering, self-serving whores like Cheney, and old Euro-style socialism...

[Hardrock69]

Of course the Republicans lost their attempt in the Senate.

[FORD]

FORD, do you believe in our free-market economic system?

I believe in a properly regulated system with the courts enforcing antitrust laws, so fair competition can continue to exist.

I do NOT believe in predatory capitalism or corporate monopolies. After 30 years of destructive policies, there is no longer any such thing as a "free market".

Even if it did still exist, I do not believe Health Care should be a "for profit" industry. (Nor should energy, banking, infrastructure, education, or defense)

[Nitro Express]

I believe in a properly regulated system with the courts enforcing antitrust laws, so fair competition can continue to exist.

I do NOT believe in predatory capitalism or corporate monopolies. After 30 years of destructive policies, there is no longer any such thing as a "free market".

Even if it did still exist, I do not believe Health Care should be a "for profit" industry. (Nor should energy, banking, infrastructure, education, or defense)

The past is full of cases where a monopoly situation occurs and the government steps in with anti-trust and breaks up the monopoly. It used to be corporations had a limited charter that had to be renewed every so many years. If the corporation was abusive they would lose their charter.

What we have now is too many politicians bought and paid for by the corporations so the fox is watching the henhouse now. That corruption is not new but unless we replace the fox's with something else, the system is broke.

[FORD]

Yeah, we definitely need the corporate charters back with expiration dates. Instead we have the Opie Roberts BCE 5 on the Supreme Court endorsing the fascist lie of "corporate citizenship".

If citizens commit treason, they often face the death penalty. Yet corporate "citizens" have committed economic treason for the last three decades.

[Nitro Express]

There have always been so called multi-national corporations. The East India Company being an example. That was a global trading company over 200 years ago. So saying we have to roll over can get fucked up the ass because it's a new global society is bullshit. If a multi-national is going to do business in your country, you better damn well make sure they pay their fair share of taxes and obey your national laws. In fact, require them to set up a national corporate charter to do business. This multi-naional untouchable, too big to fail bullshit has to end before everyone in the world is equally fucked under them.