PNAC wants war with Libya!

[Jesus Christ]

Dear President Obama:

Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive. As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.

On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone. We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies. We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed. The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity. The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people. As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.

For the sake of our security as well as America’s credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

Sincerely,

Stephen E. Biegun
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Paul Bremer
Scott Carpenter
Elizabeth Cheney
Eliot Cohen
Seth Cropsey
Thomas Donnelly
Michele Dunne
Eric Edelman
Jamie Fly
Reuel Marc Gerecht
William Inboden
Bruce Pitcairn Jackson
Ash Jain
Robert Kagan
David Kramer
Irina Krasovskaya
William Kristol
Tod Lindberg
Ann Marlowe
Cliff May
Joshua Muravchik
Michael O'Hanlon
Martin Peretz
Danielle Pletka
John Podhoretz
Randy Scheunemann
Gary J. Schmitt
Dan Senor
William Taft
Marc Thiessen
Daniel Twining
Ken Weinstein
Leon Wieseltier
Rich Williamson
Damon Wilson

people like Kristol, Gerecht, and Kagan make Me ashamed to be the King of the Jews

[ELVIS]

Leave Libya alone...

Bomb SAUDI ARABIA !!!

[Jesus Christ]

Do the words "Thou shalt not kill" mean anything to you?

[Nitro Express]

The Chinese have their foreign policy right. They want that Libyan oil as much as anyone but they stay out of other state's affairs. Thomas Jefferson said the same. Take care of the home front first and stop meddling in places we don't belong. After WWII we became the policeman of the world and fucked ourselves in the process.

[ashstralia]

fix up carparkistan first.

[ELVIS]

These tree huggers should fix up bikeparkistan and stay there...

[Blaze]

What good would a no fly zone be?
Is there some sort of controlling device that will prevent the planes electrical systems from working and not disable other things?
No, there is not.
A no fly zone is a silly empty wishful unenforceable declaration.






Once it was realized that corruption had permeated a significant part of the very culture of humans in that region, as exhibited by the willingness accept corruption and act with corruption toward the revelation, the eradication was going to be needed to be injected by another means.
The cancer was too extensive.
Moreover, the cancer causing agent, corruption, had become an accepted, if not desired, taste. The well-being of an environment that limited corruption was disdained.

I liken it to a family or person that comes from an corrupt or abusive household; sometimes when they are brought from such environments or shown an way out of such environments, the fear of not being able to survive without corruption or abuse as a means is over-whelming to their well-being and they chose the ill environment out of fear, because fear is what they know and are conditioned to think through.


etc. etc. etc.

[WACF]

What good would a no fly zone be?
Is there some sort of controlling device that will prevent the planes electrical systems from working and not disable other things?
No, there is not.
A no fly zone is a silly empty wishful unenforceable declaration.






Once it was realized that corruption had permeated a significant part of the very culture of humans in that region, as exhibited by the willingness accept corruption and act with corruption toward the revelation, the eradication was going to be needed to be injected by another means.
The cancer was too extensive.
Moreover, the cancer causing agent, corruption, had become an accepted, if not desired, taste. The well-being of an environment that limited corruption was disdained.

I liken it to a family or person that comes from an corrupt or abusive household; sometimes when they are brought from such environments or shown an way out of such environments, the fear of not being able to survive without corruption or abuse as a means is over-whelming to their well-being and they chose the ill environment out of fear, because fear is what they know and are conditioned to think through.


etc. etc. etc.

A No Fly zone requires countries willing to supply air power to remove ground assets in order to "safely" patrol the skys...then bring down any Libyan air assets that attempt to strike at the Rebels.

It also requires involved countries to "pick" sides....and that does not always work out so well.

[ELVIS]

Blaze is way way way out there...

[ELVIS]

Change we can believe in...


The Obama administration is pushing hard for a Thursday vote on a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing airstrikes and other measures to stop Libyan leader Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi from killing more civilians and defeating rebel forces in Libya.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday that a U.N. no-fly zone over Libya "requires certain actions taken to protect the planes and the pilots, including bombing targets like the Libyan defense systems."

Clinton told reporters in Tunisia the specifics of international action against Qaddafi were still being negotiated at the United Nations in New York.

The move comes as Qaddafi forces have made "significant strides" against the rebels in Libya. Qaddafi forces said it would cease military operations on Sunday to give rebels a chance to surrender, without giving further details about the offer, Reuters reported, citing Al Arabiya TV.

The U.S. wants the Security Council to approve planes, troops or ships to stop attacks by Qaddafi on the rebels, according to a diplomat familiar with closed-door negotiations.

The Obama administration said it would not act without Security Council authorization, though it would be willing to cooperate on measures "short of boots on the ground." However, the diplomat said the U.S. insists on broad international participation, especially by Arab states.

Russia and China have expressed doubts about the U.N. and other outside powers getting involved and either one could veto a resolution.

That possibility spurred concerns by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., who in particularly blunt terms questioned Undersecretary of State Williams Burns at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee Thursday about whether the U.S. would have the wherewithal to take action absent approval from other nations. During the tense exchange, Rubio said Russia and China aren't interested in trying to end the violence in Libya, and asked if the U.S. doesn't step in, who would.

Burns responded that he is confident the U.N. Security Council will pass a resolution.

"I'm not assuming that it's going to fail," he said. "I think we can produce a resolution. I hope we can today."

The undersecretary noted that forces loyal to Qaddafi are roughly 100 miles from the rebel stronghold of Benghazi. Burns said Qaddafi is taking full advantage of his military firepower in turning
back rebels in Libya.

Libyan rebels shot down at least two bomber planes that attacked the airport in their main stronghold on Thursday, according to residents who witnessed the rare success in the struggle against Qaddafi's superior air power.

Meanwhile, Sen. John McCain, who has been pushing the Obama administration to impose a no-fly zone for weeks, questioned Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz at the committee hearing on why that move would now be too little too late.

Schwartz did not say that the U.S. military should have implemented a no-fly zone but he did agree that if one were to be imposed now it would require additional military action.

"A no-fly zone would not be sufficient," Schwartz said.

"As opposed to a few weeks ago when it would have been," McCain replied.

[BITEYOASS]

Dear President Obama:

Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive. As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.

On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone. We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies. We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed. The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity. The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people. As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.

For the sake of our security as well as America’s credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

Sincerely,

Stephen E. Biegun
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Paul Bremer
Scott Carpenter
Elizabeth Cheney
Eliot Cohen
Seth Cropsey
Thomas Donnelly
Michele Dunne
Eric Edelman
Jamie Fly
Reuel Marc Gerecht
William Inboden
Bruce Pitcairn Jackson
Ash Jain
Robert Kagan
David Kramer
Irina Krasovskaya
William Kristol
Tod Lindberg
Ann Marlowe
Cliff May
Joshua Muravchik
Michael O'Hanlon
Martin Peretz
Danielle Pletka
John Podhoretz
Randy Scheunemann
Gary J. Schmitt
Dan Senor
William Taft
Marc Thiessen
Daniel Twining
Ken Weinstein
Leon Wieseltier
Rich Williamson
Damon Wilson

people like Kristol, Gerecht, and Kagan make Me ashamed to be the King of the Jews

Well if they want to fight Libya so bad, they should grab some parachutes hop on the nearest C-130 and get their old asses to do an airborne assault.

[hideyoursheep]

Well if they want to fight Libya so bad, they should grab some parachutes hop on the nearest C-130 and get their old asses to do an airborne assault.

Nah, nothing that sophisticated...give them each a Toyota pickup with a .50 in the back.

Hey, Jesus- Why does a 2000 year old Jew sound like a 16th century Englishman?

[hideyoursheep]

There's an Air Force officer out there chomping at the bit to enforce some sort of no-fly zone on Lybia. Regardless of the outcome, will Lybia ever be any better off with or without Gaddafi?

[hideyoursheep]

What we REALLY need to do is execute a joint amphibious / air assault on the Bohemian Club. Cut the head off of the snake.

[Nitro Express]

We could just drop our politicians out of a B-52 on Kaddafi. That really would be a toxic bomb.

[Jesus Christ]

Hey, Jesus- Why does a 2000 year old Jew sound like a 16th century Englishman?

It is all about perception, My son. Many of My followers think of the King James Version as the "official" Scriptures, and so they attach "Holiness" somehow to that style of language.

Of course the actual official languages of the Scriptures were Hebrew and Aramaic, but verily, if I spoke in those languages, nobody here would understand Me.

[sadaist]

We need to stay the fuck out of what is happening in Libya. A small uprising against the government, the government knocks it the fuck down, done. This isn't Egypt where the majority of the population was involved. This is just the US trying to seize any excuse to go in and get Qaddafi out. We probably sparked the small uprising anyways hoping it would ignite the population & be similar to Egypt.

This is not our fight.

I just keep picturing a small uprising in the US and suddenly all these other countries telling the US President he needs to step down. Um, no. The government squashes them. Even squashes one when it is only a tiny threat. Ruby Ridge, Waco?

Just funny that most Americans can't see through what's really happening with Libya.

[Jesus Christ]

Believe Me, I know all about uprisings against empirical dictators. The Pharisees accused Me before Pilate of leading one.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Don't like this no-fly shit AT ALL...

It's basically daring Qhaddafy to paint a fighter with SAM radar, then that gives the "justification" to blow it all to hell....

Sadaist said it perfectly, this is not our fight.....

[Blaze]

By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press – 39 mins ago

UNITED NATIONS – Moving swiftly in response to a request by Arab nations, the U.N. Security Council on Thursday paved the way for international air strikes against Moammar Gadhafi's forces, voting to authorize military action to protect civilians and impose a no-fly zone over Libya.
The council acted five days after the Arab League urged the U.N.'s most powerful body to try to halt Gadhafi's advancing military and reverse the realities on the ground, where rebels and their civilian supporters are in danger of being crushed by pro-government forces using rockets, artillery, tanks and warplanes.

The vote was 10-0 with five countries abstaining including Russia and China, which have veto power in the council, along with India, Germany and Brazil. Russia and China expressed concern about the United Nations and other outside powers using force against Gadhafi, and Germany expressed fear that military action would lead to more casualties.

The United States — which in a dramatic reversal joined the resolution's initial supporters Britain, France and Lebanon — not only helped push for a quick vote but pressed for action beyond creation of a no-fly zone to protect civilians from air, land and sea attacks by Gadhafi's fighters.

"This council moved with remarkable speed in response to the great urgency of the situation on the ground," U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice said. "This resolution should send a strong message to Colonel Gadhafi and his regime that the violence must stop, the killing must stop, and the people of Libya must be protected and have the opportunity to express themselves freely."

The resolution bans all flights in Libya's airspace to help protect civilians. It also authorizes U.N. member states to take "all necessary measures ... to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory."

U.S. officials said the resolution provides a strong legal base for enforcing the no-fly zone and for countries to carry out air and sea strikes against Gadhafi's forces.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters in Tunisia on Thursday that a U.N. no-fly zone over Libya would require action to protect the planes and pilots, "including bombing targets like the Libyan defense systems."

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the three criteria for taking action — a demonstrated need, clear legal basis and broad regional support — all have been fulfilled.

"This places a responsibility on members of the United Nations, and that is a responsibility to which the United Kingdom will now respond," he said.

Libya's Deputy U.N. Ambassador Ibrahim Dabbashi, whose support for the opposition spurred many Libyan diplomats around the world to demand Gadhafi's ouster, called on the world to respond "immediately."

"The lives of the civilians are in danger right now and I expect the international community to move quickly," he said.

Britain's U.N. Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant said with the "strong legal base," Britain and a number of other countries in NATO and a number of Arab League countries "will be looking to implement those measures." Diplomats said Arab countries likely to participate in possible strikes include Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Jordan.

In Britain, a lawmaker with knowledge of defense matters confirmed that British forces were on standby for air strikes and could be mobilized as soon as Thursday night. The lawmaker declined to be named because the Defense Ministry has not issued official confirmation.

French Prime Minister Francois Fillon told France-2 Television that France would support military action against Gadhafi within a matter of hours after the resolution was approved.

Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said the council had taken "an historic decision" to protect civilians from violence perpetrated by their own government. "Given the critical situation on the ground, I expect immediate action on the resolution's provisions," he said.

Immediately before the vote, France's Foreign Minister Alain Juppe urged adoption of the resolution saying sanctions imposed by the Security Council on Feb. 26 aren't enough and "violence against the civilian population has been redoubled."

"We have very little time left. It's a matter of days. It's perhaps a matter of hours. We should not arrive too late," he said.

In the opposition capital Benghazi, Al-Jazeera satellite TV channel showed a large crowd watching the vote on an outdoor TV projection burst into celebration when the resolution was approved as green and red fireworks exploded in the air.

The resolution came hours after Gadhafi went on Libyan television and vowed to crush the rebellion with a final assault on Benghazi.

In an interview broadcast just before the vote, Gadhafi said, "the U.N. Security Council has no mandate. We don't acknowledge their resolutions." He pledged to respond harshly to U.N.-sponsored attacks. "If the world is crazy, we will be crazy too," he told the Portuguese public Radiotelevisao Portuguesa.

But Libya's Dabbashi said the council's action will make "the people of Benghazi ... feel safe from this time on."

"It is a clear message to the Libyan people that they are not alone, that the international community is with them and is going to help them to protect themselves," he said. "It is also a clear message to Col. Gadhafi and those who are supporting him that there is no place for dictatorship, there is no place for killing the people."

The resolution also calls for stronger enforcement of the arms embargo, adds names of people, companies and other entities to the list of those subject to travel bans and asset freezes, and requires all countries to ban Libyan flights from landing, taking off or overflying their country.

It also demands that Libya ensure the "rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian assistance" and asks U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to establish an eight-member panel of experts to assist the Security Council committee in monitoring sanctions.

Russia and China had expressed doubts about the United Nations and other outside powers using force against Gadhafi, a view backed by India, Brazil and Germany who also abstained.
Germany's U.N. Ambassador Peter Wittig expressed fear that using military force could lead to "the likelihood of large-scale loss of life."


I do not know what good this will do. I do not think he will obey, However, refusing to allow Libya planes to not fly over other countries, might be useful to an extent.

[Blaze]

Nevertheless, that prickly feeling of "I am concerned."
United Nations,Thank you.

[BigBadBrian]

Obviously, this thread title should be changed to "Barack and Hillary want war with Libya."

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Oh joy, he wants to spend more money he doesn't have.

[Blaze]

TRIPOLI, Libya – Libya declared an immediate cease-fire and promised to stop military operations Friday in a bid to fend off international military intervention after the U.N. authorized a no-fly zone and "all necessary measures" to prevent the regime from striking its own people.

The announcement by Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa followed a fierce attack by Gadhafi's forces against Misrata, the last rebel-held city in the western half of the country. A doctor said at least six people were killed.

The U.N. Security Council resolution, which was passed late Thursday after weeks of deliberation, set the stage for airstrikes, a no-fly zone and other military measures short of a ground invasion. Britain announced that it would send fighter jets and France was making plans to deploy planes, but the U.S. had yet to announce what its role would be. NATO also held an emergency meeting.

With the international community mobilizing, Koussa said the government would cease fire in line with the resolution, although he criticized the authorization of international military action, calling it a violation of Libya's sovereignty.

"The government is opening channels for true, serious dialogue with all parties," he said during a news conference in Tripoli, the capital.

The attack on Misrata, Libya's third-largest city, came as the rebels were on the defensive in their eastern stronghold after Gadhafi vowed to launch a final assault and crush the nearly 5-week-old rebellion against him.

The opposition expressed hope the U.N. resolution would help turn the tide in their favor after days of fierce fighting.

"We think Gadhafi's forces will not advance against us. Our morale is very high now. I think we have the upper hand," Col. Salah Osman, a former army officer who defected to the rebel side, said. He was speaking at a checkpoint near the eastern town of Sultan.


AFP/Patrick Baz


The Western powers faced pressure to act urgently after weeks spent deliberation over what to do about Gadhafi as his regime gained momentum. The U.S. has positioned a host of forces and ships in the region, including submarines and destroyers and amphibious assault and landing ships with some 400 Marines aboard. It also could provide a range of surveillance assets.

In an interview with Portuguese television broadcast just before the U.N. vote, Gadhafi pledged to respond harshly to U.N.-sponsored attacks. "If the world is crazy," he said, "we will be crazy, too."

The Libyan government closed its airspace to all traffic Friday, according to Europe's air traffic control agency, Eurocontrol.

Government tanks rolled into Misrata, 125 miles (200 kilometers) southeast of Tripoli, early Friday, shelling houses, hospitals and a mosque for several hours before pulling back to the city's outskirts, witnesses said. At least six people were killed, raising the total death toll in two days of fighting to nine, a local doctor said.

Misrata is the last rebel holdout in the western half of the country after Gadhafi recaptured a string of other cities that had fallen to the opposition early in the uprising that began Feb. 15. Its fall would leave the country largely divided, with the rebels bottled up in the east near the border with Egypt.

The city has been under a punishing blockade that has prevented aid ships from delivering medicine and other supplies, the doctor said.

"They haven't stopped shelling us for a week — we sleep to shelling, and wake up to shelling. They are targeting houses and hospitals," he said, adding the hospital had been overwhelmed.

"We have had to perform surgeries in the hallways using the light from our cell phones to see what we're doing. We are also using some clinics around the town, some only have 60 beds, which isn't enough," he said.

Another doctor claimed Gadhafi's forces had surrounded some neighborhoods and were shooting at people who ventured out of their homes. "Militias used two ambulances to jump out of and shoot at innocent people indiscriminately," he said.

The situation appeared to be calm in Benghazi.
Col. Osman said Gadhafi's forces had surrounded the nearby city of Ajdabiya, but rebels remained inside.

The shift toward international action reflected dramatic change on the ground in Libya in the past week. The rebels, once confident, found themselves in danger of being crushed by an overpowering pro-Gadhafi force using rockets, artillery, tanks, warplanes. That force has advanced along the Mediterranean coast aiming to recapture the rebel-held eastern half of Libya.

Gadhafi troops encircled the city of Ajdabiya, the first in the path of their march, but also had some troops positioned beyond it toward Benghazi, the second largest Libyan city, with a population of about 700,000.

A large crowd in Benghazi was watching the vote on an outdoor TV projection and burst into cheers, with green and red fireworks exploding overhead. In Tobruk, east of Benghazi, happy Libyans fired weapons in the air to celebrate the vote.

Libya's unrest began in Benghazi and spread east to Tripoli. Like others in the Mideast, the uprising started with popular demonstrations against Gadhafi, rejecting his 41 years of despotic and often brutal rule. The tone quickly changed after Gadhafi's security in Tripoli forcefully put down the gatherings there.

Soon rebel forces began arming themselves, quickly taking control of the country's east centered on Benghazi. Some Libyan army units joined the rebels, providing them with some firepower, but much less than Gadhafi's remaining forces.

There are no reliable death tolls. Rebels say more than 1,000 people have been killed in a month of fighting, while Gadhafi claims the toll is only 150.
___
By HADEEL AL-SHALCHI and RYAN LUCAS, Associated Press – 1 min ago

Lucas reported from Benghazi, Libya. Associated Press writers Slobodan Lekic in Brussels and Jill Lawless in London contributed to this report.

[ELVIS]

ceas-fire my ass...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

It is all about perception, My son. Many of My followers think of the King James Version as the "official" Scriptures, and so they attach "Holiness" somehow to that style of language.

Of course the actual official languages of the Scriptures were Hebrew and Aramaic, but verily, if I spoke in those languages, nobody here would understand Me.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – In the old translation of the world's most popular Bible, John the Evangelist declares: "If anyone says, 'I love God,' yet hates his brother, he is a liar." Make that "brother or sister" in a new translation that includes more gender-neutral language and is drawing criticism from some conservatives who argue the changes can alter the theological message.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110317/..._neutral_bible

[FORD]

Leave it to the modern day Pharisees of the "religious right" to make a big fucking deal out of something like that.

[Nitro Express]

Leave it to the modern day Pharisees of the "religious right" to make a big fucking deal out of something like that.

They are jizzing all over themselves because middle east trouble and natural disasters are signs that rapture is near. Some of these people want things to get worse because they think Jesus will pull them off of the earth to meet him in the clouds while the wicked get whacked. It's the sheep vs the goats, the wheat from the chaff mentality.

[Blaze]

Is whacking and wanking the same thing? Wacking off. Wanking off. Therefore whacking the wicked is... Ummmm. A damn good Prince album title.

[FORD]

Same thing. "Wanking" is the UK version.

[Blaze]

Whacking the wicked

1. Time for the pill.
2. My balls are blue.
3. My TWAT is red
4. Water rushing on (the CLIT)
5. Feel me, Touch me.
6. The day the devil descended (instrumental)
7. the slaughter
8. Lift up her veil
9. Listen to the sound
10. We hold Jesus's hand
11. Muhammad watched
12. The Jew's Cut
13. Exploitations.
Hidden tract:
Thunder Child

[sadaist]

Same thing. "Wanking" is the UK version.

So if you are in the lavatory of an airplane flying from the US to Europe....at what point does whacking become wanking? Is it like a moment of suspended masturbation animation as you cross the international date line where both are one and you get some incredibly huge orgasm?

I gotta try this.

[sadaist]

Back to Libya....what's the first thing you guys remember ever about Libya? For me it was when Reagan bombed his compounds & his daughters were killed. I was in high school but I remember that news story coming out all over. Was very weird for me because I had not witnessed my country actually bomb another country before. At least not that I paid attention or heard about. I think that may have been the 1 incident that started to cause me to pay more attention to the news & world events.

For some reason at the time, I pictured Libya as a tropical place in South America. Maybe I was confusing Qaddafi with Manuel Noriega.

[Nitro Express]

Is whacking and wanking the same thing? Wacking off. Wanking off. Therefore whacking the wicked is... Ummmm. A damn good Prince album title.

Whacking someone off is an old school Italian gangster term for killing someone. It also can mean jerking someone off.

[BigBadBrian]

Leave it to the modern day Pharisees of the "religious right" to make a big fucking deal out of something like that.

Leave it to you to comment on something you know nothing about.

[sadaist]

112 Cruise Missiles the US sent Qadaffis way. So wrong. So wrong. I could sit here and fill pages of everything that is wrong with this, but you already know. So wrong.

[Nitro Express]

112 Cruise Missiles the US sent Qadaffis way. So wrong. So wrong. I could sit here and fill pages of everything that is wrong with this, but you already know. So wrong.

Cruise missiles destroy a target without putting an air crew at risk. You can fly the bombs in by remote control or you can have a pilot fly in and drop them. They both follow the bombing assignment. We are entering the age of wars being fought by remote control. Dead US air crews make the news more than some collateral damage in Libya. Those people in the geopolitical side of things are expendable. US Presidents have to answer to the families of dead service men more than some unknown people over yonder. I doubt Obama even really cares about either though.

[Blaze]

God willing this shall be quick. Gaddafi needs to tidy things up, pack his bags, and arrange for the rest of his things to be shipped. We all have our favorite pictures and chairs, this is understandable.

I do think Saudi Arabia would grant asylum until he can find a place more suitable to his particular indulgents.

I have not read who has offered him asylum. This is a problem. To be able to leave, he must have a place to go.

[sadaist]

This is a problem. To be able to leave, he must have a place to go.

True. Never corner a mean dog without allowing it an out.

[Nitro Express]

Bombing a country is an act of war. The president legally cannot declare war. Only the US Congress can declare war and they were not addressed on the matter. I'm tired of these out of control presidents. Bush and Obama should be sent to Gitmo as war criminals. They have killed more people than Kadafi.