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  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    UK Ignored Bin Laden Warning - Extremist Says

    Extremist: UK ignored bin Laden warning

    Wednesday, July 20, 2005 Posted: 1135 GMT (1935 HKT)

    LONDON, England (AP) -- The leader of a defunct Islamic militant group has blamed Prime Minister Tony Blair's government and its "crusader views" of Muslims for the July 7 suicide bomb attacks.

    In an interview with The Associated Press, Anjem Choudary, leader of the disbanded Muhajiroun extremist group, also said the British public shared the blame for ignoring al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden's warning last year that Britain would be attacked if it did not withdraw troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Omar Bakri, the Muhajiroun group's radical founder and spiritual leader who is apparently being closely watched by British security forces, had on many occasions glorified suicide bombings in Iraq and by Palestinian militants in Israel.

    Choudary himself has been reported as saying that Islam regards as legitimate the kidnappings of Westerners in "occupied Muslim lands," such as Iraq.

    Choudary criticized Blair's meeting Tuesday with two dozen members of the Muslim community to discuss anti-terror legislation the government plans to introduce by the end of the year.

    "This is not the time for talking; it's time for action," he said. Blair, he added, has "got to do something (about the policies) which have caused 7-7."

    The Muslim leaders who met Blair, said Choudary, did not represent the Muslim community in Britain. He said they were hand-picked by the government because they agreed with Blair's foreign and domestic policies -- which he claimed were the root causes of the London bombings on a bus and three Underground trains. At least 52 people were killed as well as the four suspected bombers and about 700 injured.

    Had Blair tried to meet with Bakri or other extremists such as Palestinian cleric Abu Qatada, called bin Laden's "spiritual ambassador in Europe," it would have been "a very different picture."

    But he said he believed Bakri would have refused to meet Blair had he been invited. The preacher, he said, "would see Tony Blair as someone with blood of Muslims on his hands, a murderer of Muslims, an occupier of Muslim lands. He's the last person Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammed would want to speak to."

    To avoid a repeat of the attacks, Choudary said, the government has to heed warnings.

    "Those four individuals who carried out the operation cannot be blamed solely for 7-7," said Choudary, who is director of the Sharia Court of the United Kingdom and chairman of the Society of Muslim Lawyers. Sharia is Muslim law as derived from the Quran.

    "I think ultimately, the British foreign policy -- the occupation of Iraq and the support of the state of Israel and the draconian laws which they have introduced over the years in this country -- have a lot to do with why 7-7 took place, and I think one has to wake up and look at the reality," Choudary said in the telephone interview.

    He said the legislation was a reflection of the government's "crusader views, their anti-Islam and anti-Muslim views."

    The British government is preparing to create a new offense of "glorifying or endorsing" terrorism, such as praising suicide bombers as martyrs, he said.

    "I think also the British public need to take part of the blame because they completely ignored warnings which Sheik Osama bin Laden gave about a year ago, saying unless they did something about the British foreign policy and unless they did something about the brutal nature which Tony Blair operates internationally, then England was a potential target," Choudary said.

    He said the secular as well as moderate British Muslims, including Iqbal Sacrani, head of the Muslim Council in Britain, deserved blame.

    "They've been saying all along that al Qaeda doesn't really exist, there's no such thing as jihad (holy war), nobody's going to do it in Britain.

    "Whereas people like us, we were giving the warning, were saying: 'Look, you've got to do something about your policies, you've got to do something about the colonial way in which Britain functions,"' Choudary said. "And unless and until Britain does something about that, then they only have themselves to blame if they suffer repercussions like 7-7."

    When in operation, Muhajiroun -- the name is Arabic for "The Emigrants" -- promoted what it called an "Islamic renaissance" and advocated the creation of an Islamic state in several countries, including Britain.

    The group angered mainstream Muslim organizations, which complained it recruited members on university campuses and encouraged supporters to join armed struggles abroad.

    Choudary has in the past hailed the 9/11 hijackers on the United States as the "Magnificent 19."

    He criticized new proposed legislation as hypocritical. "Why do you want to start introducing new laws to say Muslims can't talk about jihad when you know very well that it's a perfectly legitimate struggle in Palestine, in Kashmir, in Chechnya and even in Iraq," Choudary said.

    "When Muslims talk about jihad, suddenly they're cast as terrorists and they're threatened with deportation. I think this is double standards, that's blatant racism, isn't it?"
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  • Angel
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7481

    #2
    The Canadian attack can't be too far away. We've been named on the list, and I think us and Italy are the only two named that haven't been hit yet. Mind you, if they do hit us, it would cause major changes to immigration, so they may hold off. After all, they can come over here on fake passports, etc. but once they're here an investigation has to take place before they can be deported, even if they falsified records to get here. Of course, they can't be found once the investigation takes place and they want to deport them! They'd be shooting themselves in the foot if (when) they attack here.

    We're in the process of sending a whole wack of troops over to Kandahar - and the Canadian public has been told point blank that our job there is to kill people, and that we will more than likely have casualties ourselves. Most of this country doesn't give our soldiers a second thought, and don't even know that we are at war. Pisses me right off! They're risking their lives, and their nation thinks they're doing pansy ass peace-keeping.
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    • Redballjets88
      Full Member Status

      • Mar 2005
      • 4469

      #3
      no one realizes anything canada does...most people dont realize that canada had troops helping on d-day and throughout WW2
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      • Angel
        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
        • Jan 2004
        • 7481

        #4
        Originally posted by Redballjets88
        no one realizes anything canada does...most people dont realize that canada had troops helping on d-day and throughout WW2
        Our troops did a hell of a lot more than "help" on d-day and throughout the war! But you are right, our contributions don't get recognized. Sometimes it's our own fault though. We don't stand up and say: Look what we did! We just do it, hopefully get a thank you, and continue on. Took GWB 3 fucking years to thank us for all the diverted flights & passengers that we allowed to land, AND took into our homes! Which is a BIG part of the anti-American sentiment that is rampant in this country today.

        This is from 2002, but it's still true:



        LONDON - Until the deaths last week of four Canadian soldiers accidentally killed by a U.S. warplane in Afghanistan, probably almost no one outside their home country had been aware that Canadian troops were deployed in the region. And as always, Canada will now bury its dead, just as the rest of the world as always will forget its sacrifice, just as it always forgets nearly everything Canada ever does.

        It seems that Canada's historic mission is to come to the selfless aid both of its friends and of complete strangers, and then, once the crisis is over, to be well and truly ignored. Canada is the perpetual wallflower that stands on the edge of the hall, waiting for someone to come and ask her for a dance. A fire breaks out, she risks life and limb to rescue her fellow dance-goers, and suffers serious injuries. But when the hall is repaired and the dancing resumes, there is Canada, the wallflower still, while those she once helped glamorously cavort across the floor, blithely neglecting her yet again.

        That is the price Canada pays for sharing the North American continent with the United States, and for being a selfless friend of Britain in two global conflicts. For much of the 20th century, Canada was torn in two different directions: It seemed to be a part of the old world, yet had an address in the new one, and that divided identity ensured that it never fully got the gratitude it deserved.

        Yet its purely voluntary contribution to the cause of freedom in two world wars was perhaps the greatest of any democracy. Almost 10% of Canada's entire population of seven million people served in the armed forces during the First World War, and nearly 60,000 died. The great Allied victories of 1918 were spearheaded by Canadian troops, perhaps the most capable soldiers in the entire British order of battle.

        Canada was repaid for its enormous sacrifice by downright neglect, its unique contribution to victory being absorbed into the popular memory as somehow or other the work of the "British." The Second World War rovided a re-run. The Canadian navy began the war with a half dozen vessels, and ended up policing nearly half of the Atlantic against U-boat attack.

        More than 120 Canadian warships participated in the Normandy landings, during which 15,000 Canadian soldiers went ashore on D-Day alone. Canada finished the war with the third-largest navy and the fourth-largest air force in the world.

        The world thanked Canada with the same sublime indifference as it had the previous time. Canadian participation in the war was acknowledged in film only if it was necessary to give an American actor a part in a campaign in which the United States had clearly not participated -- a touching scrupulousness which, of course, Hollywood has since abandoned, as it has any notion of a separate Canadian identity.

        So it is a general rule that actors and filmmakers arriving in Hollywood keep their nationality -- unless, that is, they are Canadian. Thus Mary Pickford, Walter Huston, Donald Sutherland, Michael J. Fox, William Shatner, Norman Jewison, David Cronenberg and Dan Aykroyd have in the popular perception become American, and Christopher Plummer, British. It is as if, in the very act of becoming famous, a Canadian ceases to be Canadian, unless she is Margaret Atwood, who is as unshakably Canadian as a moose, or Celine Dion, for whom Canada has proved quite unable to find any takers.

        Moreover, Canada is every bit as querulously alert to the achievements of its sons and daughters as the rest of the world is completely unaware of them. The Canadians proudly say of themselves -- and are unheard by anyone else -- that 1% of the world's population has provided 10% of the world's peacekeeping forces. Canadian soldiers in the past half century have been the greatest peacekeepers on Earth -- in 39 missions on UN mandates, and six on non-UN peacekeeping duties, from Vietnam to East Timor, from Sinai to Bosnia.

        Yet the only foreign engagement that has entered the popular non- Canadian imagination was the sorry affair in Somalia, in which out-of- control paratroopers murdered two Somali infiltrators. Their regiment was then disbanded in disgrace -- a uniquely Canadian act of self- abasement for which, naturally, the Canadians received no international credit.

        So who today in the United States knows about the stoic and selfless friendship its northern neighbour has given it in Afghanistan?

        Rather like Cyrano de Bergerac, Canada repeatedly does honourable things for honourable motives, but instead of being thanked for it, it remains something of a figure of fun.

        It is the Canadian way, for which Canadians should be proud, yet such honour comes at a high cost.

        This week, four more grieving Canadian families knew that cost all too tragically well.





        Last edited by Angel; 07-21-2005, 03:00 PM.
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        • BigBadBrian
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10625

          #5
          Originally posted by Angel
          Our troops did a hell of a lot more than "help" on d-day and throughout the war!
          Thanks for being our water boy!

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          • Seshmeister
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Oct 2003
            • 35192

            #6
            As I remember the US took 2 out of the 5 beaches on D-Day and fucked up in one of them...

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49205

              #7
              Originally posted by Seshmeister
              As I remember the US took 2 out of the 5 beaches on D-Day and fucked up in one of them...
              That (Omaha Beach) wasn't our fault.

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              • ODShowtime
                ROCKSTAR

                • Jun 2004
                • 5812

                #8
                Originally posted by Angel
                Took GWB 3 fucking years to thank us for all the diverted flights & passengers that we allowed to land, AND took into our homes! Which is a BIG part of the anti-American sentiment that is rampant in this country today.
                Shut the fuck up. We'd do that for you if anyone gave a shit enough to attack Canada. And we wouldn't sit around waiting for a thank you.
                gnaw on it

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35192

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  That (Omaha Beach) wasn't our fault.
                  Very debatable...

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49205

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Seshmeister
                    Very debatable...
                    No...the geography and bad luck were mostly to blame. It's true the naval guns and bombers missed their targets due to cloud cover. There was also an intelligence failure, the Germans had an elite unit of SS troops practicing live fire coastal defense.

                    I think the biggest problem was the beach was an enclosed kill box basically, whereas all the other beaches were surrounded by towns where soldiers could move in and outflank the defenders, Omaha had a sea wall backdrop that ran in almost a parabola, containing the US troops advance initially.

                    The soldiers themselves did well under really shitty circumstances.

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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35192

                      #11
                      I think it's interesting that only new troops were used because they thought veterans would refuse...

                      I think the US soldiers were very brave and got a shitty deal but is it not true that the beach should have been bombed by the US airforce/navy to provide craters for cover but they fucked up?

                      Also was there not a huge fuck up with the armour being dropped off in too deep water?

                      I could be wrong as well but I don't think the guards on the beach were elite SS troops but they were regulars.

                      I saw a disturbing documentary about one of the Germans that was 'working' a machine gun on the beach until he ran out of ammo. The guy had fired literally 10s of thousands of rounds and after he was told to leave his position he kept going. They reckoned he was respnsible for at least 1400 casualties. I suppose if the Germans had won the war he would be seen as a hero rather than a fucking weirdo psycho, such are the ways of war.

                      He said he had absolutely no regrets...
                      Last edited by Seshmeister; 07-21-2005, 10:03 PM.

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                      • BOMBER
                        Head Fluffer
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 420

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Redballjets88
                        no one realizes anything canada does...most people dont realize that canada had troops helping on d-day and throughout WW2
                        How do you know this for a fact?
                        That's a pretty big assumption.

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35192

                          #13
                          Not really. Same goes for Australian troops too.

                          It's a perception.

                          How many non US troops did you see in Saving Private Ryan?

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49205

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Seshmeister
                            Not really. Same goes for Australian troops too.

                            It's a perception.

                            How many non US troops did you see in Saving Private Ryan?
                            It's a shame, because from what I've read, both CANADIAN and AUSSIE troops had a fearsome reputation with their enemies.

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                            • BOMBER
                              Head Fluffer
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 420

                              #15
                              I can only speak as an Australian and I'm proud to say that's not our perception.
                              If most people in the states don't realise then that may well be the case.

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