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  • blueturk
    Veteran
    • Jul 2004
    • 1883

    Dubya Starts The " I Didn't Lie To Justify The War" Tour



    Bush Forcefully Attacks Critics of His Strategy in Iraq

    By MARIA NEWMAN
    Published: November 11, 2005
    President Bush lashed out today at critics of his Iraq policy, accusing them of trying to rewrite history about the decision to go to war and saying their criticism is undercutting American forces in battle.

    President Bush challenged a new round of accusations by Democrats that he exaggerated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons programs.
    "While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decisions or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began," the president said in a Veterans Day speech in Pennsylvania.

    Mr. Bush delivered his aggressive and unusually long speech as part of an effort to shore up his credibility as he faces growing public skepticism about Iraq and accusations by Democrats and others that he led the nation into war on false pretenses.

    Those accusations seem to be making a dent in public confidence in him, as public opinion polls show more people questioning the president's honesty about Iraq and about whether American troops should remain in the fight.

    Today's remarks by the president, which painted his critics as hypocrites, drew quick and angry responses from Democrats, and quickly led to a back-and-forth with Republicans about who was exploiting Veterans Day by using it as a forum to voice their views on Iraq. The president's speech is part of a new strategy by the administration that will play out in the next few weeks in other presidential speeches and remarks by other leading Republicans, top senior administration officials said.

    The president spoke at the Tobyhanna Army Depot near Wilkes-Barre. He talked not only about why Americans are at war - "the terrorists are as brutal an enemy as we've ever faced, unconstrained by any notion of our common humanity or by the rules of warfare" - something he has mentioned in almost every speech, but turned on his critics more directly than he usually does.

    "The stakes in the global war on terror are too high, and the national interest is too important for politicians to throw out false charges," he said. "These baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America's will."

    Before going to war, Mr. Bush said, Democrats and Republicans alike were privy to the same intelligence that indicated former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

    "Some Democrats and antiwar critics are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people about why we went to war," he said. "These critics are fully aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments related to Iraq's weapons programs. They also know that intelligence agencies from around the world agreed with our assessment of Saddam Hussein."

    The Senate's Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, said Mr. Bush had "resorted to his old playbook of discredited rhetoric about the war on terror and political attacks as his own political fortunes and credibility diminish."

    "Attacking those patriotic Americans who have raised serious questions about the case the Bush administration made to take our country to war does not provide us a plan for success that will bring our troops home," Mr. Reid said. "While the Bush administration continues to stonewall the Congress from finding the truth about the manipulation of pre-war intelligence, Democrats will continue to press for a full airing of the facts."

    In his Pennsylvania speech, Mr. Bush said the United Nations had passed more than a dozen resolutions that cited Mr. Hussein's development and possession of weapons of mass destruction.

    Mr. Bush mentioned Senator John Kerry, whom he defeated in the 2004 election, something he seldom did even during the campaign. Mr. Bush recalled that Mr. Kerry, a Democrat, also voted to go to war, and quoted him as saying that he had done so because Mr. Hussein had "a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hand" and that he was "a threat and a grave threat to our security."

    The president said: "That's why more then a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate, who had access to the same intelligence, voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power."

    Mr. Kerry responded in Boston, where he participated in ceremonies honoring veterans and active duty forces. "I wish President Bush knew better than to dishonor America's veterans by playing the politics of fear and smear on Veterans Day," Mr. Kerry said. "This administration misled a nation into war by cherry-picking intelligence and stretching the truth beyond recognition."
  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49126

    #2
    He threw us a "CURVEBALL" alright...

    Fucker.

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    • blueturk
      Veteran
      • Jul 2004
      • 1883

      #3
      The simple fact is that Bush rode an understandable wave of post 9/11 patriotism to do what he had planned to do since being elected, and he knows it. This tour reeks of desperation.

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      • Warham
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Mar 2004
        • 14587

        #4
        Why? He's not running for re-election.

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49126

          #5
          Originally posted by Warham
          Why? He's not running for re-election.
          Because he knows he won't last three years if this keeps up...

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          • Warham
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Mar 2004
            • 14587

            #6
            The only way he's getting impeached is if the Democrats control the House in two years, which won't happen by the way. Other than that, he'd have to resign. He's too stubborn to do that.

            Bush until '08.

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            • LoungeMachine
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Jul 2004
              • 32555

              #7
              Originally posted by Warham
              The only way he's getting impeached is if the Democrats control the House in two years, which won't happen by the way.

              Bush until '08.
              Wanna bet?

              Originally posted by Kristy
              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
              Originally posted by cadaverdog
              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58755

                #8
                Dean Response to Bush's Failed Iraq Policy and Misleading Political Attacks

                11/11/2005 7:57:00 PM

                To: National Desk, Political Reporter

                Contact: Karen Finney or Josh Earnest, 202-863-8148, both of the Democratic National Committee Staff

                WASHINGTON, Nov. 11 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean issued the following statement today on President Bush's misleading attacks on Democrats and his failed policies in Iraq:

                "On Veteran's Day, a day to honor the sacrifices of Americans who have so bravely served our country, President Bush chose instead to deflect from the truth and resort to political attacks, even as more Americans now doubt his honesty and his ability to handle the war in Iraq.

                "While the White House continues to shamefully stonewall and hide behind their attacks, Democrats will continue to press for the truth. The President ought to be ashamed of himself. With more than 2,000 brave Americans dead to date and tens of thousands more injured, the President ought to be telling the truth to the American people. Mr. President, the best way to honor our troops is to tell the truth about why they went to war and when they can come home.

                "The fact remains that pre-war intelligence was manipulated and cherry-picked. Instead of trying to pass the buck to members of Congress, who like so many Americans were willing to trust their Commander-in-Chief, the President should tell the truth to our troops and their families about how they were sent to war. In a democracy, the truth is not withheld. In a democracy our leaders provide real leadership and do not hide behind political attacks.

                "Democrats stand committed to our troops and their families. Americans deserve the truth and the answers to hard questions when it comes to the decision to go to war. We can no longer stay the course. Our troops and the American people need a comprehensive plan so that success can be achieved in Iraq and our troops can come home safely."

                Paid for and authorized by the Democratic National Committee, http://www.democrats.org. This communication is not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

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                • Nickdfresh
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                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49126

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Warham
                  The only way he's getting impeached is if the Democrats control the House in two years, which won't happen by the way. Other than that, he'd have to resign. He's too stubborn to do that.

                  Bush until '08.
                  Who said anything about impeachment...

                  How about if the Republicans completely turn on him and, along with Democrats that WILL reap what BUSH has sowed in 06', pressure him to resign for the good of the country after his administration is completely catatonic?

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 58755

                    #10
                    Republicans started the proceedings against Nixon.

                    Of course there were a lot more honest Republicans back then.
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                    • DrMaddVibe
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                      • Jan 2004
                      • 6658

                      #11
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                      • Hardrock69
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                        • Feb 2005
                        • 21833

                        #12
                        Re: Dubya Starts The " I Didn't Lie To Justify The War" Tour

                        Originally posted by blueturk
                        http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/11/in...1cnd-bush.html

                        "While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decisions or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began," the president said in a Veterans Day speech in Pennsylvania.


                        Fucking Chimpy. That is just the first of many demonstrations of fucktardedness during today's "speech".

                        How the fuck could they have orchestrated this so well? Clinton AND Bush both sobbing in public "OH I BEEN DONE WRONG!!! WAAAAAAAAH!!!!!"

                        Give me a fucking break.

                        "Rewriting History"???

                        How about LOOKING BACK AT HISTORY!!! NOT "rewriting" it.

                        Christ. Fucking dumbass.



                        Today's remarks by the president, which painted his critics as hypocrites, drew quick and angry responses from Democrats, and quickly led to a back-and-forth with Republicans about who was exploiting Veterans Day by using it as a forum to voice their views on Iraq. The president's speech is part of a new strategy by the administration that will play out in the next few weeks in other presidential speeches and remarks by other leading Republicans, top senior administration officials said.

                        Ahhh I see. So the "administration officials" have ADMITTED that they cooked up some strategy to try to drum up some public support for their FUCKUPS.


                        "The White House is trying to coordinate a response from administration officials to congressional Republicans.

                        Republicans on Capitol Hill who have criticized the White House for failing to coordinate responses to a host of issues say Bush aides are working noticeably harder to set up meetings and conference calls to arrange a widespread response."

                        Link for the above quote can be found below...

                        Shit. Like the public is going to tolerate such crap.


                        The president spoke at the Tobyhanna Army Depot near Wilkes-Barre. He talked not only about why Americans are at war - "the terrorists are as brutal an enemy as we've ever faced, unconstrained by any notion of our common humanity or by the rules of warfare" - something he has mentioned in almost every speech, but turned on his critics more directly than he usually does.

                        "The stakes in the global war on terror are too high, and the national interest is too important for politicians to throw out false charges," he said. "These baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America's will."

                        Ahhh yes...the terrists are brutal and savage, etc.

                        We have heard all that before.

                        Here he is now talking about "false charges" & "baseless attacks".

                        Fucking Chimpy...doesn't bother to mention the "false charges" he was throwing around so carelessly about Iraq, or the "baseless attacks" that we perpetrated as a result.

                        Sure Saddamite was an asshole.

                        But so are the Commies in China. Why doesn't Chimpy go to war against them?

                        Stupid fucking bastard.


                        Before going to war, Mr. Bush said, Democrats and Republicans alike were privy to the same intelligence that indicated former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
                        Oh..yeah...right.
                        And it was the Democrats that sent the Secretary Of State to LIE to the United Nations about WMDs and other bullshit, wasn't it Mr. Goddam Fucking Chimpy Retard Motherfucking PRESIDENT?????.

                        Colin Powell has even admitted he lied.

                        Chimpy seems to think nobody will remember that.

                        "Some Democrats and antiwar critics are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people about why we went to war," he said. "These critics are fully aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments related to Iraq's weapons programs. They also know that intelligence agencies from around the world agreed with our assessment of Saddam Hussein."

                        Talk about a deflection by means of irrelevancy.

                        Any MORON will agree that Saddamite is a fucking asshole that needs to be tortured.

                        But just because everyone agreed he was an asshole did NOT mean that ALL the " intelligence agencies from around the world" agreed with the WMD scenario.

                        And of course, it is now known to be a FACT that because our own CONGRESS did not swallow that lie hook, line and sinker and decided to send a representative to Africa to investigate those claims, Chimpy and his cronies decided to try to get some revenge on Wilson's ass, only to have it backfire on their fucking asses recently.

                        And then Chimpy tries to sweep it under the carpet even further by stating "a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments related to Iraq's weapons programs."

                        Of course they did not. Chimpy and his cronies covered it up enough they did not find any evidence AT THAT TIME.

                        But look what has happened recently?

                        Fitzy Boy is FINDING the evidence NOW.

                        Just because they successfully covered their asses back then, does not mean they were as blameless as the driven snow!!!

                        All their bullshit is unraveling in front of the eyes of everyone on this planet, and they are trying to distract everyone by making speeches.

                        The Senate's Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, said Mr. Bush had "resorted to his old playbook of discredited rhetoric about the war on terror and political attacks as his own political fortunes and credibility diminish."

                        "Attacking those patriotic Americans who have raised serious questions about the case the Bush administration made to take our country to war does not provide us a plan for success that will bring our troops home," Mr. Reid said. "While the Bush administration continues to stonewall the Congress from finding the truth about the manipulation of pre-war intelligence, Democrats will continue to press for a full airing of the facts."
                        The Bush administration IS doing EVERYTHING in their power to stonewall. They admitted that they are doing just that at the end of the second paragraph!!! They are so fucking transparent it is unreal....



                        Check this out: The Bushites announced 3 fucking days ago that they were working on a "campaign-style strategy" to respond to the allegations that they manipulated intel.

                        Guess what? They are admitting the intel was faulty!!!

                        Yet even though they knew that it was, they were still foaming at the mouth to go to war!!!




                        In his Pennsylvania speech, Mr. Bush said the United Nations had passed more than a dozen resolutions that cited Mr. Hussein's development and possession of weapons of mass destruction.

                        Ahhh yes...based on whose intel?


                        Mr. Bush mentioned Senator John Kerry, whom he defeated in the 2004 election, something he seldom did even during the campaign. Mr. Bush recalled that Mr. Kerry, a Democrat, also voted to go to war, and quoted him as saying that he had done so because Mr. Hussein had "a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hand" and that he was "a threat and a grave threat to our security."

                        The president said: "That's why more then a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate, who had access to the same intelligence, voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power."
                        Ahhh more than a hundred, eh? In the House there were only 81 in favor, 126 AGAINST. And of course Bush fails to mention that 6 Republicans voted AGAINST going to war.

                        In the Senate, 29 Democrats voted for the measure, but 21 voted against it, as did one Republican and the sole independant Senator.

                        So Chimpy is trying to push this smokescreen off on the public, as if "over 100 Democrats" is some sort of huge number, when there were 147 Democrat Senators & Congressmen who voted against the measure.
                        As well as 9 non-Democrats.


                        In the fall of 2002, Bush was leading a fucking bandwagon like a motherfucker. Anyone who disagreed with him or his fucking slaves was slandered, attacked in the press, invalidated, made out to be unpatrioitic, or worse a "terrist sympathizer".

                        PUH-LEEEEEZE.....





                        Mr. Kerry responded in Boston, where he participated in ceremonies honoring veterans and active duty forces. "I wish President Bush knew better than to dishonor America's veterans by playing the politics of fear and smear on Veterans Day," Mr. Kerry said. "This administration misled a nation into war by cherry-picking intelligence and stretching the truth beyond recognition."
                        Well let's see here.

                        Chimpy dishonored American Troops by fucking sending them to die in the desert based on a bunch of fucking bullshit!!!

                        THAT IS FUCKING HIGH TREASON!

                        Kinda interesting how all the top Democrats are firing their cannons today.

                        Hell, somebody needs to tell Chimpy what a fucking idiot he is.

                        I don't have the luxury of a high-profile....like say John Kerry has, or Mr. Bill Womanizing Slut.

                        So my little rant here will not make much difference.


                        Oh well.

                        By trotting Chimpy out to make a bunch of fucking speeches, his asslickers are only digging his political grave.


                        WOOHOO!!!!

                        Let us watch Chimpy's descent into Dante's Inferno!!
                        Last edited by Hardrock69; 11-11-2005, 11:36 PM.

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                        • Hardrock69
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 21833

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Warham
                          The only way he's getting impeached is if the Democrats control the House in two years, which won't happen by the way. Other than that, he'd have to resign. He's too stubborn to do that.

                          Bush until '08.

                          Who's to say the Democrats will not gain a majority in the House in 2006? The way Chimpy is fucking up, the Mob will not stand for a Republican-controlled Congress much longer...

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                          • FORD
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                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58755

                            #14
                            THE WORST SPEECH OF BUSH'S PRESIDENCY.
                            Attack Mode
                            by David Kusnet
                            Only at TNR Online
                            Post date: 11.11.05

                            For speechwriters drafting a presidential address for a patriotic holiday such as Independence Day, Memorial Day, or Veterans Day, there are three rules: Don't be wordy; don't be wonky; and, most important, don't be partisan. In his Veterans Day remarks today at the Tobyhanna Army Depot near Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, President Bush and his staff broke all three rules, producing a strident speech that went on for almost 50 minutes, included a lengthy comparison of "Islamic radicalism" and "the ideology of communism," and concluded by attacking "some Democrats," while taking an implicit shot at "my opponent during the last election." It may have been the worst speech of his presidency.

                            At a time when Bush would benefit from sounding cheerful, forward looking, and above partisan politics, just as Ronald Reagan did during his second term even in the midst of the Iran-Contra scandal, Bush instead sounded like Richard Nixon or Lyndon Johnson during the worst days of the Vietnam War, although neither is remembered for flubbing a speech on a national holiday. It's as if Bush was reading from a cue-card that proclaimed, "Message: I'm embattled and embittered."

                            When a president speaks angrily and defensively for almost an hour, he might well be extemporizing, but that clearly was not true of this president and this speech: We know this because while the address may have seemed interminable, it was not ungrammatical, and it subjected listeners to a lecture about a bewildering array of personalities and events, including "Al Qaeda's number two man, a guy named Zawahari"; "his chief deputy in Iraq, the terrorist Zarqawi"; the Syrian democracy advocate Kamal Labwani; and "the Mehlis investigation into the assassination of Lebanon's former prime minister."

                            There is a time and place for such a detailed explanation of world events, but it is a formal speech at a major academic institution such as Georgetown or West Point--not a commemorative occasion such as today, when the president should speak as the leader of the entire nation.

                            Moreover, Veterans Day is certainly not the venue for a president to attack the opposition party or single out a defeated opponent, as Bush did today. Towards the end of his speech, Bush declared, "While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began." He criticized "some Democrats and antiwar critics" for "claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people about why we went to war." Then he did something that no president in recent memory has done: He took what could be read as an implicit shot at the man he defeated, explaining, "Many of these critics supported my opponent during the last election, who explained his position to support the resolution in Congress this way." Bush then quoted Kerry's statement defending his vote to authorize the use of force in Iraq--essentially holding Kerry up for ridicule, since Kerry is now a war critic. Do you remember Clinton criticizing Bob Dole in 1997; or Reagan criticizing Walter Mondale in 1985; or even Nixon criticizing George McGovern in 1973? Of course not--second-term presidents tend to co-opt, not condemn, defeated opponents.

                            Bush's speech also adopted two of Nixon's smarmiest rhetorical techniques: attacking the nameless but nefarious "some," just as Nixon used to disagree with "some who say"; and lumping together very different people--the villainous "some Democrats," the "antiwar critics" who could be anyone from Russ Feingold to Ramsey Clark, and, finally, Kerry himself.

                            What's most remarkable about this speech is how Bush has bungee-jumped from the rhetorical high-road he usually takes to the lowest road any recent president has taken on a national holiday. Unlike previous presidents from both parties, Bush up until now has rarely attacked the opposition party, individual adversaries, or even ideological categories. (For instance, unlike Reagan and Nixon, he has rarely if ever criticized liberals or secularists.) So it is especially surprising that a president who generally avoided attacking his opponents in State of the Union speeches is now attacking them in a Veterans Day address; and it seems a sign that his shrewdest advisers--Karl Rove, Karen Hughes, and Michael Gerson--had no input into this speech.

                            As for the substantive points in the speech, they were either familiar or flimsy. Once again, Bush defended the Iraq war only after reporting on less controversial endeavors, such as the response to 9/11, the Afghanistan war, and efforts to destroy Al Qaeda.

                            Less familiar was Bush's lengthy comparison of Islamic extremism with the Communism of the Cold War era. Both, Bush said, were violent, dictatorial, and "dismissive of free peoples." But Communism was also atheist and internationalist, while Al Qaeda is neither. If current enemies have to be equated with twentieth-century totalitarianisms, why not compare Islamic extremism with fascism, which made more use of nationalist emotions and was less hostile to religion?

                            This was a speech that presented Bush's case implausibly and inappropriately. It's hard for a president to sound unpresidential on a patriotic holiday, but Bush achieved that dubious distinction today.

                            David Kusnet was chief speechwriter for former President Bill Clinton from 1992 through 1994. He is writing a book about workplace conflicts in today's America, Love the Work, Hate the Job, for John Wiley and Sons.



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                            • DrMaddVibe
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                              • Jan 2004
                              • 6658

                              #15
                              This just in....Courtney Love is a fucking cunt...film @ 11!
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